NY129-Mafia on Werewolf Island! (Game Over)

[RaudhrGarm]

Post 1188 should hint as to why I claimed gun kill. As I said, I am pro-town, but I'm afraid of godkills.

I lied about being roleblocked.

[singersigner]

I...don't get it...

[RaudhrGarm]

I just don't want another loss to mafia.

[T-Bone]

That sounds like an SK claim to me.

With 3 potential kills a night, I don't feel all that comfortable with the possibility of losing three town a night. "Directing" the SK kill is useless if we're directing him to kill town. Then what do we hope for? The other 2 cross-kill? There's a low probability of that.

I'll unvote if I can be convinced otherwise. By right now, my goal is to eliminate all non-town opposition. The SK is most certainly non-town. Could we lynch him later? Sure, but at what cost? Lets say we direct him to kill someone, me for example and I flip town. Is that an acceptable loss? Then he kills Pine, and he flips town, then he kills Reck, and he flips town, then he kills singsing and he flips town. Just because we agree with it doesn't make us right. Meanwhile it moves the ability for the mafia to outnumber us that much faster. We need as many days as possible to win, and every time we lose a townie through a mislynch or night kill is one extra day we lose to nail scum. I think the risk to keeping an SK alive is not worth the potential benefit. Every town he kills makes the mafia's job much easier. Hell in my opinion keeping the SK alive is something scum would want to do as it potentially decreases the amount of time they have to win. Unless we are 100% sure right now that So-and-so is scum, it's a crap shoot.

In my mind that isn't worth the risk. Obviously I am but one voice so if people disagree their votes can reflect that. Until then my vote has to stand.

[singersigner]

Are you willing to risk lynching a vig?

[T-Bone]

To me his last couple of posts was him hinting at being an SK. That's where I'm leaning to right now.

[quadz08]

So, I'm about 98% sure that was an SK claim. SK-sympathetic-to-town, but still SK.

... ugh. I don't know if we should lynch him or not. He'll have to be lynched at some point (assuming the scum don't get him first), and while T-Bone's logic about possibly depleting townies makes sense, we can basically get a second lynch with this. (Assuming he listens to us, obviously.)

Normally, I'd bring up the SK playing as a vig, and possibly just giving him free reign on who to shoot, but I don't trust Raud to aim at the right people.

[Reckamonic]

I still think he's gonna flip scum <<

[Pine]

Okay, no CCs and it's been almost a full day with most people posting.

That says that Raud is either scum or the SK.

VOTE: Raud

This post was not thought through very well. Tired at the end of the work day, posting from my phone.

Lack of CC makes the vig claim

more

likely, not

less

likely.

UNVOTE: Raud
VOTE: C-Worl

Always a good place to put my vote. I've played with C-Worl enough to recognize his Town meta. This is not it. He makes bad cases and sticks to them as Town, and he's playing far too opportunistic for him to be Town this game.

[C-Worl]

You have one completed game with me. You were scum in it. I was town. You came after me the entire time. Made up BS reasons for it the entire time. You've done it in this game and now you're just like, "Fuck it, let's see if saying meta will get this wagon started." I would love to lynch you just to see if you're scum or not simply because I know you don't bus your partners and it can semi-clear (Not completely bc we have 2 factions) a few people if you do turn up scum.

[Kise]

Though...everything he's said adds up to an SK claim. They're bulletproof to give them a chance to win, but they are required to submit a kill because, actually, I'm not sure on the theory behind the required kill part

Because, otherwise, they wouldn't be a true

serial

killer.

I see that he's claiming an attempt at killing NS, and also saying it may not have gone through due to the strangler's flavor taking priority.

If there are no vig counterclaims, I'm inclined to believe it. Vig makes SENSE in this game

Pushing heavy for a CC to the obvfake claim... I'm glad you're not the alt of who I thought you were.

Okay, no CCs and it's been almost a full day with most people posting.

That says that Raud is either scum or the SK.

VOTE: Raud

OR THE VIG ACCORDING TO YOU BRIGHT?

If there are no vig counterclaims,

I'm inclined to believe it.

Vig makes SENSE in this game

UNVOTE AND VOTE: PINE

NATALIE PORTMAN'S DAWG

[Kise]

LMMFAO

[implosion]

I'm cool with being called SK. Won't deny it at the moment.

^Still town^

@implosion: Since when became it scummy to have bad luck?

No. You're misinterpreting my argument. I think that I understand how you wanted to say what quadz said, but couldn't because you were asleep. However, two things apply... first of all, if you're scum, we have no way of knowing if you actually came up with it on your own and didn't just sheep him. And more importantly, the argument was flawed. Sheeping flawed argumentation is scummy.

I'm going to assume Raud is SK for now. He might be town. Might. I'd like to leave him alive for now. I really, really doubt that he's nonSKscum. He could be scum, but why would he claim the scum kill flavor? It honestly seems like too weird a claim to have been contrived by mafia.

I...don't get it...

This. Raud's behavior makes no sense as any alignment.

So, he's probably a jester

[Pine]

Okay, no CCs and it's been almost a full day with most people posting.

That says that Raud is either scum or the SK.

VOTE: Raud

This post was not thought through very well. Tired at the end of the work day, posting from my phone.

Lack of CC makes the vig claim

more

likely, not

less

likely.

UNVOTE: Raud
VOTE: C-Worl

Always a good place to put my vote. I've played with C-Worl enough to recognize his Town meta. This is not it. He makes bad cases and sticks to them as Town, and he's playing far too opportunistic for him to be Town this game.

You didn't read this post, did you, Kise? I corrected myself long before you did.

[DemonHybrid]

VOTE COUNT

Day 2 Vote Count (#10)

RaudhrGarm - 6 (tclawren, Reckamonic, C-Worl, gorilla, T-Bone, quadz08) L-4
tclawren - 5 (Lowell, Eldritch Lord, singersigner, RaudhrGarm, Nachomamma8)
Pine - 2 (ConSpiracy, Kise)
ConSpiracy - 1 (Powerrox93)
Powerrox93 - 1 (implosion)
C-Worl - 1 (Pine)

Not voting - 3 (Charlie, Chronopie, MrZepher)

Chronopie is Semi V/LA until an unspecified amount of time.

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch and 10 to No Lynch. Deadline is May 7th, 2011 at 5:00 PM EDT.

[Kise]

There's no such thing as correcting a scumslip. The subconscious speaks the truth.

[Pine]

Strong suspicion is hard to change that quickly. I was SO CERTAIN of Raud that I was hoping he'd be CCed. Yes, I made a mistake, but I corrected myself. If it were a scumslip, I'd have just let it go and hoped no one noticed the contradiction.

[T-Bone]

I think if it were a scumslip, anyone's first instinct would be to try and correct it. As scum you're always making sure you aren't saying the wrong things while as town you can be a little more liberal.

[tclawren]

@ Pine:

Why were you expecting a CC? There were only three kills last night and it really doesn't make sense for a vig to keep his gun in his pants. We have confirmation from the mod that both flavors will show up when a kill is made. So that means that Raud is responsible for the third party kill up there and there is likely no vig.

@Everyone:

Raud has just (essentially) claimed SK. What do we do now? Lynch or keep?

[Pine]

@T-Bone: Yeah, except for voting for someone you think is Town when they're the biggest wagon. Not a mistake I'm willing to stick with.

@TC: You make a good point
I need to re-think this.

[C-Worl]

@Everyone:

Raud has just (essentially) claimed SK. What do we do now? Lynch or keep?

I will say this one more time...

KILL IT! KILL IT! KILL IT! KILL IT! KILL IT! KILL IT! KILL IT! KILL IT! KILL IT! KILL IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kise]

Or maybe the scum QT lit up and Pine's buddies told him to correct himself before... wait.

I corrected myself long before you did.

Yup. BEFORE I did, as if it means anything. So I take it that had I called you out on this before you yourself could "correct" it, then cool, it would count as a scumslip?

[Lowell]

1243 knocks my socks off with its horribleness. If he's SK we kill him. Why are you posing the question this way?

unvote, vote rauhd

. Sounds like SK to me.

[tclawren]

1243 knocks my socks off with its horribleness. If he's SK we kill him. Why are you posing the question this way?

unvote, vote rauhd

. Sounds like SK to me.

Because it's already been asked. Several players have stated that they want to keep the SK around. Proof.

I actually don't want to lynch Kise.
Why? Because I highly suspect her to be the SK.
(I can't see a vig strangle somebody with NS's pants down)
We lost 3 PR's which is a heavy blow for town. We might have to use the SK in our advantage with this dead PR night.
Scum knows that the SK is only going to hinder them severely and has to choose: Either they trust the SK to kill town (which would be stupid for the SK to do) or they don't take the risk and kill the SK.

I rather want to lynch Pine here. Aside from the scummy things he did day 1, he just starts a very easy non-mafia/werewolfish person-wagon.
VOTE: Pine

[quadz08]

I read honest mistake out of Pine right now.

Lowell: RTFT.