Mini 1160 - Cupcake Mafia! Cupcakes Baked to Perfection!

[Kise]

KEEP IT REAL

YOU WAS BABYSITTING AND SHIT?

[Kise]

KEEP IT REAL

YOU WAS BABYSITTING AND SHIT?

[C-Worl]

KEEP IT REAL

YOU WAS BABYSITTING AND SHIT?

Yeah. I said this twice in your EFK game. I wasn't lieing I literally did have to babysit.

[smargaret]

UK, post your thoughts and we'll deal with any conflicting opinions LLD has, okay? Give us something to work with here!

I'm very interested in why there's this assumption that we have an SK. Scum can claim BP just as easily, and aren't we supposed to think horses and not zebras when we hear hoofbeats? Let's hold off on the SK speculation until we know whether or not there are two kills tonight.

And can we please lynch Vollkan now?

[Kise]

We get it, they're both scum. Toog goes first though. Cooperate please so we can get to lynching you Day 3.

[vollkan]

And can we please lynch Vollkan now?

So far the only reason you've given for suspecting me is that you think my points system (which I use EVERY game), is arbitrary (meaning what?) and that I am using it to avoid voting Toog (and I explained my initial non-voting by reference to absence of VC, which you've entirely ignored).

smarg+5

So, one of your reasons for wanting me lynched is simply BS (it's suspecting me for a constant feature of my playstyle) and the other is for a reason which is also BS and, moreover, is entirely contingent on Toog being scum.

[Parama]

Hey vollkan
I haven't really said a word about why I want to lynch you
and I'm driving this wagon

[vollkan]

Hey vollkan
I haven't really said a word about why I want to lynch you
and I'm driving this wagon

Parama+5

Any other members of the peanut gallery?

[vollkan]

EBWOP/Elaboration:

I expect my attitude is going to get cries of "OMGUS", so in pre-emption:

I don't have a problem with arguments being made against me, and I can even tolerate an absence of arguments where it is early game (as it was when the whole sideshow about my chesskid vote began) or if it is just standard pressuring argy-bargy. But once a wagon reaches the point of seriousness (and, unfortunately, it isn't clear with my wagon where it reached the point, because it's been vacillating over time), it's completely unacceptable to just sit back and snipe away with the sort of off-hand statements that people have been making - especially where I have responded to every semblance of an argument that has been raised against me (only to either be ignored or dismissed on the utterly moronic ground that self-meta is somehow inherently invalid) .

If people: 1) give reasons and 2) genuinely engage with my responses to those reasons; then I will gladly spin on a dime and retract the points (which, after all, are specifically for an absence of reasons). But, failing that, I am not about to let an easily exploitable wagon build on me for either no or trivial reasons.

[Parama]

Lol.
Yeah, I'm not lynching anyone other than vollkan today.

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[GreyICE]

Hey vollkan
I haven't really said a word about why I want to lynch you
and I'm driving this wagon

Parama+5

Any other members of the peanut gallery?

Is wanting to get +10 points scummy? 'cause no one's gotten a +10 and I think it would be cool.

Hey everybody lets do a mass claim day 1!
I think we should just lynch using random.org. I'll generate the numbers!
If there's any cops or doctors out there, they better claim today!

[GreyICE]

Also dude.
You just wrote: "You shouldn't lynch me with bad reasoning because that's terrible." You're offended that we'd lynch you without a good reason that you're scum. You're not offended that we're lynching you because you're town and getting mislynched, you're offended we're not filling out the right paperwork.
Like bollocks you're flipping town.

[vollkan]

Also dude.
You just wrote: "You shouldn't lynch me with bad reasoning because that's terrible." You're offended that we'd lynch you without a good reason that you're scum. You're not offended that we're lynching you because you're town and getting mislynched, you're offended we're not filling out the right paperwork.
Like bollocks you're flipping town.

*sigh* And again you (and Parama it seems) completely miss the point. The best way for me to derail my mislynch is to expose the complete absence of any shred of reasonable argument from my accusers.

The "case" against me has just been this ever-intensifying circlejerk of:

X: OMG VOLLKAN IS SCUM
Y: YEAH!
Z: TOTALLY LYNCHING HIM
Vollkan: Because...?
X: BAHAHA HE IS SCUM
Y: OH WOW HE IS SO SCUMMY
Z: WHY ISN'T HE DEAD YET
Vollkan: Why am I scum?
etc.

This isn't about "the right paperwork"; it's about showing that the push on me is fundamentally flawed. Bitching about the fact that you guys are pushing a mislynch isn't going to convince anybody (nor ought it); but pointing out the stupidity or your attacks will (and it ought to)

[vollkan]

Also, if you want precedent check out Peril in Panama where ABR got me mislynched on me for what I considered to be stupid reasons. Does the following give you a sense of de ja vu?

Alright. May she rest in peace and her dying wishes be granted.

Vote: Volkan

Do you have a case perchance?

His response:

Volkan you are scummy as hell.

Me (quoting myself):

Do you have a case perchance?

That puts me to L-1.

I find it truly beyond comprehension that I am at L-1 despite there not actually having been a case raised against me - other than Albert's narrative which I have already addressed. And now I am being accused of BS, as though that in itself constitutes an argument.

we don't need any evidence or case to lynch you

This seriously ought to ring alarm bells.

You don't have any outs left, Volkan

That tends to happen when one is accused of being scum for no reason other than the fact that another player can conceive of a scenario where one is scum.

Regardless. This game is not about rebutting arguments. That would be like looking under your bed for coins when you have a wallet packed with bills. Mafia is about common sense. What do you think is more likely ? And what do you think should be done about it ? The question answers itself. Your grave is calling you, Volkan. Surrender yourself to it.

My response towhich was:

I can see I'm not going to be able to convince you that "Lynching without a case is bad".

I am humbled to say that I have no doubts that you are scum.

and when I was hammered:

*sigh*
Nice to see Pete making such a well-explained hammer - particularly given that he has expressed no prior suspicion of me.

[Parama]

vollkan:

talk to the hand

that is all

that i'm saying to you

rest of the game

adieu

[vollkan]

vollkan:

talk to the hand

that is all

that i'm saying to you

rest of the game

adieu

Kafka would be proud

[UshiromiyaAnge]

All right! So, we accept our membership into the TOWN ALLIANCE, even if I'm personally uncomfortable with the skill level of my bedfellows. Regardless, for now following Fate should be all right.

Now, reads. Tclawren, as we said before, still needs to die. Also,

Mod, Prod tclawren

CupcakePanda!

I see you are voting Fate! Or were. Whaddya say about posting a case on him?

vollkan and Parama are just...bad. Whether they're bad scum or bad town has not been revealed to us yet, even with our fearless leader's insistence. Anyway, still don't by CP's bulletproof claim, nor can I say I'm impressed with what appears to be OMGUS. Fate's case also covers a lot of problematic things about CP.

After reading through the past few pages, not a whole lot stood out to us. So, there were are.

And just for Fate: QUICK! VOTES FOR CUPCAKEPANDA ARE VOTES FOR VICTORYYYYYYYYY! HE'S AT L-2, LET'S KILL HIM NOW!!!!!

Unvote, Vote CupcakePanda

~UK

[Parama]

vollkan
your joke flew over my head
I don't get the reference
UK
my posts are bad
i dont care
it works for catching obvious scum

[Fate]

PARAMA ENOUGH TOWN INFIGHTING

No point letting Toog live today given my secrets.

Holy fuck and hell. YES VOLKAN IS SCUM and YES he's mad he was caught and is up against unconventional townies, but TOOG FUCKIN DIES TODAY YOU ACT LIKE WE"RE ALL GOING TO FORGET ABOUT VOLKAN OVER NIGHT FOR FUCKS SAKE.

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[Le Cupcake]

tclawren has been prodded.

[Parama]

votecount please mod

[Le Cupcake]

Yeah no, not updating after 12hrs. Go check the last VC.

[Fate]

I swear to god UK you stop that shit too.

PARAMA stop being a bastard child.

UK stop fucking around saying "all my playmates are shitty players THEHEHEHEHE"

This is fucking childish.

PapaFate's here and he won't have any more bickering.

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[Fate]

UK JUST SAID Toog is at L-2.

Put him at L-1 and VOILA, progres.

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[Parama]

actually nvm Cupcake is L-2

I refuse to do anything besides hammer him and I will hammer without mercy