NY129-Mafia on Werewolf Island! (Game Over)

[T-Bone]

The reason I watched Nacho, because I expected that because of all of mastin's hoopla last day phase, I figured someone would target him or me for a kill in an attempt to prove mastin right or wrong. Obviously, I can't watch myself, so that left me with Nacho. To my surprise, mastin did target him, along with gorilla and implosion. I don't pretend to know the motives for their actions, but there, you have the motives of mine.

Obviously I tracked Chronopie Night 2 because he was and still is one of my suspects. I RBed Kise night 1, mostly for his protection against the PGO and at that point in the game I didn't want to RB someone potentially helpful, nor did I want to waste one of my investigative powers on the first night.

So what was your motive for targeting Nacho, gorilla? Kill? Investigate? Block? What? Personally I'm leaning towards kill.

[gorilla]

I did not target him; you are a liar and a scum. This will be proven soon. zzz

(why would scum kill someone to affirm mastin's reads? that's just absurd)

[T-Bone]

I said prove mastin right OR wrong. Nice way AGAIN to misrepresent what I've said.

Nacho flips town? Great, more ammo for a mastin lynch. Nacho flips scum? That evens the score for the wolves. Which one were you trying to do? Or did you have a completely different motive for the kill?

[gorilla]

w/e, try to affirm or deny his reads, that's useless nitpicking and hardly a mis-rep. regardless it's still a ridiculously stupid justification. Who gives a crap about mastin's reads? He's just one player, but you freaked the hell out when he mentioned you as scum. You're basing everything you you say now off of him. Seriously, why would you watch a player because someone else has a scum-read on them? HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE. if nacho were town, there's no way the scum would shoot him to incriminate mastin, they'd just use him as the next mislynch. shooting him and getting a townflip would practically clear mastin because scum aren't going to kill someone they want to get lynched. as scum I'd have to be absolutely stupid to kill nacho. You are a lying liar who lies and your reasoning is completely bogus. No town-aligned player would choose to watch a perpetual lurker slot last night.

w/e, done arguing with confirmed scum, going to wait until someone who actually matters posts

[implosion]

I most certainly did not visit nacho last night.

VOTE: T-Bone

[gorilla]

i bet now he tries to argue that we're both scum

w/e now we can wrap today up easy

[implosion]

This is a really strange fakeclaim, though. I want to see what mastin says.

[singersigner]

Oh great...n00bs are leading the town...

[gorilla]

I think he was possibly attempting bait people into claiming, but I can't explain it otherwise. Sometimes scum make dumb claims. This is one of those times.

anyway, hi imp. You caught up on the thread? Any reads right now?

[singersigner]

This is a really strange fakeclaim, though. I want to see what mastin says.

Also, wtf, why wait til Mastin's analysis? Figure your own shit out.

The

problems

I'm having with T-Bone's claim, is that he hasn't claimed what it is he can do that allows him 3 different PR abilities, he's already "figured out" who the scum is in the midst of having claimed without giving any of them a chance to speak ("hey, so what did YOU do last night"), and the fact that he thinks RBing a Vanilla Townie means diddly squat. Basically, it sets up the next three lynches in the *hopes* that we lynch the "right" one eventually.

I don't have much time now, but that's what I can get up now.

[gorilla]

he's claiming JOAT, presumably. Irrelevant since he is a lying liar who lies. 2/3 of his claimed visits confirm this. please vote him.

[implosion]

singer, i meant that I wanted to see if mastin would also deny visiting. I mean, it's theoretically possible that T-bone is a scum watcher/joat/whatever and just made up 2 visits with one real.

gorilla, no I have not caught up, but I might as well now since I have the time.

[mastin2]

It would be inadvisable to declare whether T-Bone's results are accurate or not from me. Also, watch the votes. T-Bone was at L-4, and at least two extra votes were placed on him. I think some that were on him got off, but still.

Needless to say, even if his claim is accurate, he's far from confirmed town. Mafia JOAT'd make sense, watching fellow buddy scum. And I believe he honestly has suspicions of Implosion and Gorilla. Don't think he'd bus in this particular situation.

[implosion]

P-EDIT AT TOP OF POST FOR SOME REASON: no shit, mastin, that T-Bone will suspect gorilla and I - we're kind of counterclaiming him by saying we didn't visit. I expect an explanation for why it's inadvisable to confirm/deny him right now, at some point, and it had better be good.

Okay. First of all, I'm unsure about Reckamonic - I think people may be dismissing them as town too early. First of all (no pun intended) I'm paranoid about the PGO claim. I'm just not entirely sure if it would be in a normal, but no one seems to be calling them instant scum for that, so I'll put that aside. Second of all, when I read Nacho's ISO, it made me think Reckamonic was scum. It felt like he could have been distancing from Ray in his early posts and stuff like ISO 31. It feels like he went against Ray/Reck a lot without really doing anything (he voted Reck at one point, but there was only one other person voting Reck and (even after providing reasoning) he changed the vote to Pine less than a day later.) Plus (and it's been said at other points like C_Worl's 1651) it would make sense for scum to claim PGO in a game like this, where they KNOW that another scumteam is shooting at them, especially for someone who looks as town as Ray.

If there are only two neighbours (one flipped town), it seems highly unlikely, as this is a two team game, that the other neighbour is scum. Three neighbours, and it may have been alot more plausible.

This seems to have been brought up at other points. I disagree. To say that, because there are 2 scum factions, both neighbors are probably town, is to try to outguess the mod. There is no reason at all that the mod couldn't make the game asymmetrical - in fact, it probably is asymmetrical. So TC's claim really doesn't clear him either.

@mastin, where you you derive your town read on Powerrox from?

I mean just look at his avatar he's an obvwerewolf

This is only up to page 70 btw. Figure I'll post what I have so far since I keep getting distracted.

[singersigner]

vote: T-Bone

I actually meant to do that in my previous post but my computer was restarting randomly so I had to push submit before I could preview anything. Lo siento.

[implosion]

i THINK that makes it L-2.

[T-Bone]

L-1 by my count. Making a mistake, but alas my lynch will vindicate me.

[DemonHybrid]

You never addressed Gorilla as the killer though did you?

DH: Did you let Kise know he'd been roleblocked, or rather can VTs know they've been roleblocked in this game?

Also, Mastin's town. Discuss.

Sorry, votecount coming soon. I was at work (I know, DH, working?! What is wrong with this world?!)

Anyway, as should be in place with any mafia game (unless there's a special mechanic), the only roles that find out when they are roleblocked by PM are investigative roles/actions.

The above was said without a guarantee that there is or isn't a roleblocking role, investigative role (both of either faction) or any number of vanilla townies left in the game.

[T-Bone]

Kise was talking out of his ass, doesn't change the fact that I RBed him.

[DemonHybrid]

VOTE COUNT

Day 4 Vote Count (#2)

T-Bone - 5 (gorilla, mastin2, MrZepher, implosion, singersigner) L-2
gorilla - 2 (T-Bone, C-Worl)
Reckamonic - 1 (Charlie)

Not voting - 5 (ConSpiracy, Chronopie, Reckamonic, tclawren, Powerrox93)

Powerrox93 is V/LA from Thursday, May 12th to Sunday, May 15th.
Chronopie PMed me with a V/LA until Monday, May 16th.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch and 7 to No Lynch. Deadline is Saturday, June 4th at 12:00 PM, EDT.

[MrZepher]

It never hurts to confirm things when unsure...

[C-Worl]

Sorry Bone, 2 vs 1? I don't see why they'd both lie.

Unvote; Vote: T-Bone

If Bone flips town then either Gorilla or implosion or both are scum. If Bone flips scum well, we'll see.

[Charlie]

T-Bone, your claim does not make sense.

[MrZepher]

Unvote

No quick lynches yet.

[MrZepher]

Sorry, quickfire post after T-Bone got to L-1. I feel like there's more explaining needing to be done before we have a lynch.

Also, Implosion is a scum read after his #2038. It doesn't read well as town. Discuss.