Open 307-Friends and Enemies Deadly Alliance-Town Wins!!

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VOTE: SnakePlissken

i think i have seen you on kaillera before.

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you do realize that's a extremely open window for scum to jo-

continue.

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7.

drop 3 scum and 3 masons and bam you have a lynch.

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also i take that back he's at 3 right now and can easily be put to L-2, i'd like to see him post first and i wanted to give this flag out so scum don't think they can blitz.

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i'm not so worried about a quicklynch, and i highly doubt it would happen, and as i have said it's a very easy window for scum.

i don't mind it, i think it's stupid but could be setting up for a slayer gambit.

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@Snarky

Spadille for one, his first vote goes to DK for voting himself and ruining RVS, apparently, and when i put up a flag on trying to get a shitty excuse to vote someone, he completley directs it back to me for ruining a gambit,,

a.)DK is a scum and he now has a good excuse to conceal his scummy behavior, he might go, act pro-town and harass Snarky or I.

b.)No one will go to the bandwagon in fear of the revealed gambit. This event will render the potential gambit useless.

How can you conceal something that is out in the open? who is to say i'm right? i'm merely theorizing like you theorized why he voted himself, also, you sound inclined to believe it now, why haven't you unvoted him?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Spadille

Fixed quote for you.

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Gambits can both be pro-town and anti-town, slayer's gambit works in that same way, i stopped it because i hate gambits like that because it causes commotion for town and has more negatives then positives, now that it's 'revealed' we will get more open and concise thought process, and he doesn't have that excuse anymore.

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Positive -
Has pro-town motive if you are town.

Positive/Negative -
Could get you scum (50/50) when something is scummy, it's scummy, there is no excuse for it, you could get scum as easily as you could town players, when someone is legitamately scummy, there is no excuse for it.

Negative -
Can easily be interpreted as scum looking for an excuse, and the risks are too great such as getting yourself mislynched.

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What I do know is that you believe that DK is gambiting and that you have voted me because you think I'm the scum which is the "gambit's target".

So what makes you think DK is town?

>implying i ever said DK was town

How strong is your belief that DK is a town using the Gambit? And how did you even know he is using the Gambit without his statements even? I thought it has more negatives that positives?
Also, your vote is an indirect OMGUS.

it's not strong at all.

Spadille for one, his first vote goes to DK for voting himself and ruining RVS, apparently, and when i put up a flag on trying to get a shitty excuse to vote someone, he completley directs it back to me for ruining a gambit

i put up a flag when i said:

you do realize that's a extremely open window for scum to jo-

continue.

if you didn't notice the obvious sarcasm, i was calling you out.

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Sadly, he think I'm scum because I'm voting DK.. this is solely based on his idea that DK was using the Slayer's Gambit.

Read between the lines, the reason you voted DK was shit and you over-analyzed it, i said he could be possibly setting up for a slayer's gambit, i didn't confirm it.

That is really a biased way of "scumhunting", I don't like it at all. I'm thinking that you sat there infront of your computer screen and over-thought this until you could actually come up with a semi-biased reason for voting me.

It does not imply that, which is mainly the bias of your post. I never said that I wasn't going to scum hunt, or anything of that sort, so please, get off my D**K.

FoS Spadille

which is basically what i was getting at, it was a reach.

Now look at his answers at my questions, he doesn't even believe that DK is using a Slayer's Gambit nor he thinks DK is town. But isn't that his vote reason all along?

I had a null read, spadille, and he also confirms he was not using a gambit, so suffice to say it worked and we didn't have to deal with crappy gambits that don't help town, i told you the negatives are more stronger then the positives.

responding to other stuff soon.

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I know that, i'm not stupid, but i just think you took it way out of hand, i understand how RVS works, and i understand that it's to apply pressure and whatnot, i just don't think that solidifies as much as you think it did, and while we're on the subject, what is your read on DK?

i already answered this, i said it's stupid but could be setting up a slayer gambit, you blew it out of proportion and...jesus christ i give up, we're obviously not seeing eye to eye and this is gonna get nowhere, i understand where you are coming from but i disagree, simple as that, and leave it as that.

i'll be straight with you, i think you have pro-town motive, spadille, but the way you did it irks me, i know your justification is that he wasn't helping town, and voting himself is not the point of RVS, but i think you shoulda waited and asked him WHY he self-voted instead of blatantly making a reaching case on someone, and this bothered me, i wanted to ask him before i voted him, and i knew the wagon was gonna start and he probably wasn't going to cooperate seeing the trolling perspective i stated (slayer's gambit).

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also i already stated this, it has more risks then benefits, gambits are not go-to options, and could get someone mislynched, the reward is great if it works, but it's just not worth it.

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stop being thick spadille, i stated you have pro-town motive, in other words, i see some town in you, and i understand where you are coming from, however, as i have stated above, the way you did it bothers me, vote or no vote, the way you did it bothers me, and you clearly don't understand that. >_>

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well, as RVS goes, you vote someone of your interest, or you wish to have more information out of, i layed me vote for that, and i have to say after i have had this back and forth arguments with you and really thinking about it, you're probably town.

Also, one of your reasons was me coming back at you? Please clarify?

No, i voted you because i thought that was a hella reach on your part, and see above.

And you are seeing some town in me.. then why vote?

see above.

Also after voting himself so the town will question him? Is he insane? Does he even want to help the town?

I wouldn't know, and i already said i don't know, i theorized that it could be a slayer's gambit, and it had all the signs of one, i wanted to believe it was a slayer gambit, but suffice to say he doesn't confirm that it is, thus why i have a null read on him.

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UNVOTE: Spadille

this is not where my vote needs to be anymore.

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Spadille, you are town after our conversation we had, i was suspicious of you and thus i voted you, but after conversation you are probably town.

and yes, thus why a null read, i can't explain why he did it, i can only guess.

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DK's response is pretty town to me too, he's (obviously) honest about what he was doing and that it was a just a joke, and also, he's not as defensive as i thought he would be, he doesn't blatantly OMGUS Spadille, instead, directs it to someone else of his supiscions, i believe.

Snarky, i really need to see more from you then just "oh jee i'm going to fence-sit in every argument and refuse to provide legitimate content."

VOTE: Snarky

and agree with low key's lurking policy, i hate lurkers too. :/

i also agree with
[quote=zMuffinMan]DK tier is not lynch-worthy. At least not this early. And his posts are always funny to read so I don't mind keeping him around even if he's scum. It's also a good way to judge whether I'm reading the game right, because as a standard rule, I'll just take any suspicions he has and go the opposite way to find scum.[/quote]

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Spadille, you are the one causing the commotion, either convince me that DK is scum, or shut up.

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Good lord re-reading.

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the irony.

@mod i'm V/LA until Friday, i have simply been inactive, so no johns there, however, i'm dealing with exams right now so there's that, if you feel the need to replace me feel free to do so

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if there is one thing i have to say is that even with my inactivity i feel like i didn't miss much, i'm looking back and i see some back and forth arguments, ISO's everywhere, but nothing that can or will help me in the long run, since people have asked for my reads here you go bros

Town -
DK (i hate this wagon)
pops
lowkey
muffin
spadille (VI)
cjdrum

null-
everyone else that isn't in my scum-list.

scum -
toro
snarky (because he has yet to do anything useful, and is still fencesitting afaik.)

i don't want the hammer either, this lynch sucks.

vigil wherever you are shoot snarky or toro k

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VOTE: Toro

No.

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I got a better idea. Vig vigges Toro, and if I'm right about Toro, you get off the DK wagon.

How's that sound?

^this.

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all i care about is toro dying, the fact he was reaching on DK for that supposed scumslip is textbook scum and almost makes me believe there is no doubt in my mind of him being scum, whether vig or lynch, toro dies.

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@mod requesting replacement

i don't have the time to baby this game like i want to, sorry guys, good luck.

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also before i go i must say i hate the way this game turned out and has basically de-motivated me. >_>

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wow i'm getting alot of praise from low key haha

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I can't possibly imagine how Parab, who called the Masons a second scum team, IN THE SAME DAY could turn around and EXPERTLY bus both of his scum buddies so perfectly AND EVEN CALL FOR THEIR VIG!

I REFUSE TO BELIEVE IT!

my scum team was playing bad, you do what you need to do, i'm usually a scum team player but defending them was mere pointless and i would prefer trying to get my replacement in a good position, which i succeed.

i am let down we lost, but i'm so proud of jill for sticking through it, even without my help, she did great.

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I put my two scumbuds as scum simply to distance, the distancing was far obvious and I am suprised noone called me on those flips.

Snarky was scummy, simple as that, his posts had a lot of nothing and had logical flaws, when confronted he usually made an excuse and etc.

Toro was doing ok, but when he wanted to have that opposed slip because of dk, I knew he needed to go and defending him would get me shit.

The best scum team is a strong scumteam, I felt we were too cautious and that was our downfall, however the things we tried to get someone lynched for weren't that great either, including me..however, had spad not been a mason. I coulda got it done.

I started to lurk and drop activity because there wasn't much to pressure, you guys were eating eachother alive and I felt getting involved would be pointless.

I dropped out for most of these reasons, but mostly because I got bored, you guys didn't give me much to play with, or I didn't look hard enough.

Also, spad, FUD.

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Yes, another example of FUD, masons aren't always town aligned, so if I could create some uncertainty about them, I could give myself more time, I also myself didn't know if masons were actually town aligned, but it was just a tactic, you gotta spout bs sometimes.