NY129-Mafia on Werewolf Island! (Game Over)

[Powerrox93]

Conspiracy, T-Bone was really stupid scum and you're going off the word of claimed scum whose objective is to mislead and hurt the town. It's really stupid to assume that I'm scum in light of everything else. If he really did track me, the only person he tracked me to was himself. But whatever, I was signalling this enough yesterday and the mafia probably have it figured out:

I'm the cop.

That's why every other word out of my mouth yesterday was about who was/wasn't mafia, etc. Also, why I was sure T-Bone was scum after not being sure the day before. Full set of investigations:

N1: MrZepher - not guilty
N2: implosion - not guilty
N3: T-Bone - guilty
N4: Reckamonic - no result

My intention was to test the PGO claim, to see if they were legit or not, which would be shown if there were 3 deaths. Reckless and selfish but I figured removing doubt on me by dying and confirming a pgo would help the town, and if they were lying I might as well take the risk and find out. That's why I kept saying I was probably going to die.

Are you a mafia-only cop (Considering that a seer has flipped) or are you a full-scum cop

[mastin2]

Alright, so looks like I'll need to prove to you he's lying, eh?

Not that hard, considering how BS'd his results are.

Gorilla knew he was going to be lynched today. He KNEW he needed a strong claim to keep himself from being lynched. He knew there was a Seer, but took a gambit and was betting that there was no Cop in the game, despite there being a Seer. And I'm quite positive of this. I'm sure I can prove it in ten minutes, even.

[gorilla]

Don't want to lynch any of the following people: mrzepher, implosion, reckamonic, kise, conspiracy.

I posted this day 2. I did the list in reverse alphabetical order but the key part is that I stuck my investigations at the front. my ISO #43. I normally hate breadcrumbing but I was continually nervous at that point that I might lose my investigations.

p-edit: mastin is bullshitting scum who can't come up with reasons to get me lynched after T-Bone failed. His entire strategy now is argumentum ad nauseam with no reasoning. none.

@powerrox, yes, I only get guilty results on mafia

[mastin2]

Are you a mafia-only cop (Considering that a seer has flipped) or are you a full-scum cop

Option C: scum fakeclaiming cop.

[DemonHybrid]

VOTE COUNT

Day 5 Vote Count (#3)

gorilla - 1 (mastin2)
Reckamonic - 1 (Charlie)
mastin2 - 1 (gorilla)

Not voting - 7 (Reckamonic, Chronopie, singersigner, MrZepher, tclawren, Powerrox93, Conspiracy)

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch and 5 to No Lynch. Deadline is June 10th at 11:00 AM EDT.

[ConSpiracy]

Don't want to lynch any of the following people: mrzepher, implosion, reckamonic, kise, conspiracy.

I posted this day 2. I did the list in reverse alphabetical order but the key part is that I stuck my investigations at the front. my ISO #43. I normally hate breadcrumbing but I was continually nervous at that point that I might lose my investigations.

p-edit: mastin is bullshitting scum who can't come up with reasons to get me lynched after T-Bone failed. His entire strategy now is argumentum ad nauseam with no reasoning. none.

@powerrox, yes, I only get guilty results on mafia

I asked why you chose them, not where you showed your choices.
But it is a good crumb.

[mastin2]

N1: MrZepher - not guilty
N2: implosion - not guilty
N3: T-Bone - guilty
N4: Reckamonic - no result

First off, these results.
Zepher has been who I've been calling Gorilla's buddy ever since Pine was revealed to not be.
Second result--isn't it convenient that Implosion--who he buddied with yesterday due to the whole T-Bone thing--is also a result? Isn't it convenient that he buddied up to Zepher, another result? Isn't it convenient he had a guilty on T-Bone the same day T-Bone was pushing him as scum?

And isn't it convenient that he claims to have been roleblocked when investigating the PGO?

When the only word we have that there IS a Roleblocker comes from a dead-VT Kise?

No, I don't think we have a roleblocker in this setup.

And this is just the tip of the iceberg.

[mastin2]

But it is a good crumb.

Heck no it isn't.

[gorilla]

Here's my reasoning for the first two investigations, T-Bone and Reckamonic should be obvious as to why:

MrZepher: I really had no clue where to begin for my N1 investigation. There were a lot of players, a lot of people I might suspect. I picked MrZepher at semi-random because he hadn't posted much, was on the snake wagon, and nacho calling him scum stuck in my mind. implosion I investigated because I know him, he made one post I thought was odd, and I wanted to know if I could trust him or not. Again I just really wasn't too sure who to check.

p-edit: sorry, had meant to post that earlier, thread is moving fast right now, only just got to typing my justifications.

[mastin2]

Think about it:
Mafia Tracker.
Werewolf Watcher.
We know there's the former, and the latter we can assume from dead-scum.

Where does Roleblocker come into play? Would both factions have one? Heck no. What role goes with a Roleblocker? There isn't one. It's not going to be a Jailkeeper, either, since that's even stronger.

We have no roleblocker.
Therefore, Gorilla is lying scum.

Prove me wrong, that the scumteams don't have similar powers when their flips so far (WW Goon, Mafia Goon, implied WW Watcher, Confirmed Mafia Tracker) have suggested they do.

[gorilla]

N1: MrZepher - not guilty
N2: implosion - not guilty
N3: T-Bone - guilty
N4: Reckamonic - no result

First off, these results.
Zepher has been who I've been calling Gorilla's buddy ever since Pine was revealed to not be.
Second result--isn't it convenient that Implosion--who he buddied with yesterday due to the whole T-Bone thing--is also a result? Isn't it convenient that he buddied up to Zepher, another result? Isn't it convenient he had a guilty on T-Bone the same day T-Bone was pushing him as scum?

And isn't it convenient that he claims to have been roleblocked when investigating the PGO?

When the only word we have that there IS a Roleblocker comes from a dead-VT Kise?

No, I don't think we have a roleblocker in this setup.

And this is just the tip of the iceberg.

RIGHT SO I CLAIM AN INNOCENT ON MY TEAMMATE AS WOLFSCUM, THAT IS A STRATEGY I WOULD USE AS SCUM BECAUSE UHHH UHHH DUHHH

WHY THE HELL WOULD I MAKE UP A CLAIM OF BEING ROLEBLOCKED WHILE INVESTIGATING THE PGO

I CAN'T CLAIM ANYTHING ELSE BECAUSE I'D BE DEAD IF I WEREN'T BLOCKED

I GOT A GUILTY ON SCUM YESTERDAY SO I VOTED THEM RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... start=1975

DO YOU THINK I JUST VOTED T-BONE ARBITRARILY? NO, I HAD A GUILTY

RAGE

[gorilla]

t-bone is watching this thread right now and probably laughing his head off

[mastin2]

Oh, I don't doubt you thought he was scum.

But I do think you're the opposite scum faction, who desperately decided to claim cop to save yourself from being lynched. I'm running out of time before I have to leave, but again. I can prove that Gorilla's lying, quite easily.

[ConSpiracy]

Calling it: The Scumteams are {Jindori, Gorilla, Zepher} and {Nacho, T-Bone, Singer}.

Quoted for clarification.

Powerrox

, you seem town. What reason could mastin have to suggest the vig pool?

Rage seems fake. Reason to investigate implosion is weak.
Mastin is playing entirely different at the moment.

What am I missing?

[mastin2]

t-bone is watching this thread right now and probably laughing his head off

Crying tears of joy, more like it, that we're lynching a wolf:

YOU.

[mastin2]

Rage seems fake. Reason to investigate implosion is weak.

Exactly! This is Gorilla, acting as caught scum, panicking because his fakeclaim is backfiring on him.

[gorilla]

i'm not scum god damn it

give me one good reason to expect there being a seer in the setup and not a cop, mastin, oh wait you can't

I fully admit my reason to investigate imlosion was weak. That doesn't make it false. I was short on leads and thought he might have tried to buddy me day 2. I'm not faking this rage, I try to avoid raging at games whenever possible but mastin is so full of shit

[gorilla]

again, no reasoning, just repeatedly calling me scum because you suppoedly know i'm scum

there's no reasoning at the core of it

you just say i'm scum so everything I do is a scum move

it's fucking ludicrous

[Charlie]

Ooh. Cop claim. Seer flip. Symmetry. Balance. Harmony. Zen.
*sparkly*
Hang on while I do some analysis.

[ConSpiracy]

Why oh why did the scum such a good job choosing their night targets...
Charlie I see you reading (PE: posting in) New York. I want an answer.

Ooh. Cop claim. Seer flip. Symmetry. Balance. Harmony. Zen.
*sparkly*
Hang on while I do some analysis.

And there you have your answer for symmetry mastin.

[mastin2]

give me one good reason to expect there being a seer in the setup and not a cop, mastin

Because cop is one of the only fakeclaims you could've made.
Doctor?
You'd likely be lynched.
Watcher?
Admitting to being a wolf.
Tracker?
Not with a scum one flipped.
Vig?
Yeah, right.
Roleblocker?
People've been saying that's a scum ability since Kise claimed to have been blocked.

Cop really was the only claim you could've made that had a chance of working. And you likely looked at the thread and couldn't determine any player you thought to strongly BE a cop, took a risk, and watched it backfire on you as you panicked and realized your claim was full of holes and that it's condemned you to death.

[mastin2]

If only I had the time to prove Gorilla was scum. But I'm running out of time before I have to leave. (Really, I shoulda left fifteen minutes ago, but Gorilla's just so confirmed scum I can't let the thread go...)

[Charlie]

mastin2, would you like to CC gorilla?

[Charlie]

@ConSpiracy: I can't speak from my modding experience. I've only done Minis. This is a Large. Reckamonic the non-PGO should be your guy to ask. But based on what I've read, Large Games with not equal number of Mafia A and mafia B can be done balanced.

[gorilla]

@mastin: except there would be a counter-claim if I was scum claiming cop and then I'd be screwed. What reason would I have to believe a lack of symmetry as scum? There is none. What good would trying to out the cop do as wolfscum? none. Your arguments all proceed from the line of reasoning that I am scum, so you look for reasons as to why I'd claim cop here as scum. You're not analyzing the situation objectively to decide whether it makes sense or not - you simply want to lynch me. A town player here would stop, give pause, weigh the options. You're not doing that. Any sane town player would take a moment to doubt things. Furthermore, you have already assumed I won't be counter-claimed despite not everyone having posted in the thread yet - you assume my legitimacy even while you call me scum.

I have to go nw but I'm back later