NY129-Mafia on Werewolf Island! (Game Over)

[ConSpiracy]

spell it out for me because you're throwing it away right now and it wouldn't kill you to be polite

I want to read in your own words why you're doing this

not mastin's words

Okay, I will be polite.

You claimed cop.
Mastin counterclaimed cop.
He is far more likely to be cop.

Done. I think this is polite enough.

[gorilla]

WHY

[DemonHybrid]

VOTE COUNT

Day 5 Vote Count (#6)

gorilla - 2 (mastin2, ConSpiracy)
mastin2 - 1 (gorilla)

Not voting - 7 (Reckamonic, Chronopie, singersigner, MrZepher, tclawren, Powerrox93, Charlie)

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch and 5 to No Lynch. Deadline is June 10th at 11:00 AM EDT.

[gorilla]

I've been trying to explain everything I've said, I've been sincere in my scumhunting, mastin has continuously been disingenuous. You aren't being reasonable here.

[ConSpiracy]

@ mod again, please read this:

@mod

, just to be sure: Can mafia PRs send in both their night actions and the night kill?

Gorilla, do I really have to waste my time to explain to you why?
It will waste my time so much...

[Reckamonic]

You know, the whole claim wasn't necessary.

After Gorilla went "IMMA SUICIDE ON RECKAMONIC AS COP!" it should have become obvious he was bullshitting =_=

Vote: Gorilla

Charlie, get out of your tunnel <3

[DemonHybrid]

ConSpiracy: Sorry, I didn't catch that.

I cannot answer that question (if there are even scum (all factions) PRs at all left at this point).

[gorilla]

@ mod again, please read this:

@mod

, just to be sure: Can mafia PRs send in both their night actions and the night kill?

Gorilla, do I really have to waste my time to explain to you why?
It will waste my time so much...

yes because I'm trying to fight this every step of the way

i still believe you are capable of doing the right thing

but i need you to listen

i need you to give me a god damn chance

[Reckamonic]

i need you to give me a god damn chance

says the suicidal cop.

[gorilla]

You know, the whole claim wasn't necessary.

After Gorilla went "IMMA SUICIDE ON RECKAMONIC AS COP!" it should have become obvious he was bullshitting =_=

Vote: Gorilla

Charlie, get out of your tunnel <3

I'd be dead so mastinscum couldn't mislynch me today

you'd be confirmed town

what is the problem

additionally

WHY WOULD I MAKE UP A REPORT LIKE THAT AS SCUM

[gorilla]

reckamonic, me getting nightkilled would have allowed town to focus on other targets instead of mislynching me like you're gunning for here

[Reckamonic]

You're claiming to be a town role, with results that would confirm another player as town, yet your reaction is to suicide.
Got it.

[ConSpiracy]

So

Reckamonic

didn't

unclaim

his

PGO

.

sidenote: That will be another example why: "same rules in all normals" should apply. (No offence mod, it has nothing to do with you)

gorilla, really? It is really annoying to do something that isn't useful at all. (Actually, Reckamonic nailed it)

[gorilla]

yes, the results would be that I'd be dead and there would be 3 deaths so everyone knows you're a PGO and stop trying to make stupid connections between you and jindori (LIKE THEY ARE TRYING TO DO WITH ME)

I mean, humor me

if I were scum I could claim I investigated anyone, anyone in the whole wide game

why would I lie and say I tried to investigate the claimed PGO when I could just as easily fake a report on anyone else

how does that help me

[DemonHybrid]

Allowing scum PRs to kill and use their ability at the same time is actually up to the mod and completely affects balance. Perhaps that's something I should revive Hoopla's thread for, but as for this game, I can't say anything.

Again, there may or may not be scum PRs left and if so, they may or may not be able to use their ability with their kill. I can't reveal anything.

[gorilla]

I pre-announced my intent to investigate reckamonic repeatedly at the end of yesterday. I was certain I'd die and be free of being a lynch target, or that if I didn't die, I'd have them exposed as a liar. It makes perfect sense to me.

[ConSpiracy]

Allowing scum PRs to kill and use their ability at the same time is actually up to the mod and completely affects balance. Perhaps that's something I should revive Hoopla's thread for, but as for this game, I can't say anything.

Again, there may or may not be scum PRs left and if so, they may or may not be able to use their ability with their kill. I can't reveal anything.

Trying to not go to off-topic so I will leave it with this. However, can you please give me the link to Hoopla's thread about this subject?

[DemonHybrid]

Allowing scum PRs to kill and use their ability at the same time is actually up to the mod and completely affects balance. Perhaps that's something I should revive Hoopla's thread for, but as for this game, I can't say anything.

Again, there may or may not be scum PRs left and if so, they may or may not be able to use their ability with their kill. I can't reveal anything.

Trying to not go to off-topic so I will leave it with this. However, can you please give me the link to Hoopla's thread about this subject?

I can't, in the interest of not helping out a faction. I'll talk about it after the game.

[gorilla]

explaining yourself is useful

right now neither you nor reckamonic can give a single salient reason why you're voting me

it's like there's this fucking mental disconnect where you're like "welp gorillascum" and you can't reconcile that with not being able to give a decent explanation for it and so you're just sniping at me

[gorilla]

I got all up in T-Bone's grill yesterday about having a ridiculous report

You think I'd come out here today and fakeclaim something crazy? fakeclaim a role I knew would be counter claimed? it's the truth and it's the only claim I got and you need to step back and realize that

[Reckamonic]

I've given a decent explanation.
Investigating a PGO is poor play because it flushes your last 3 investigations down the drain (hint: failure to breadcrumb is not in your favour)

@Conspiracy: I very much doubt a 15-4-4-1 setup. Town visibly doesn't have the PRs to defend itself against that. Also if it's 4-4-1 we're at 5-2-3 and pretty doomed :p.
Also was I supposed to unclaim my role?

What REALLY bothers me is the fact T-Bone spends his last post saying Implosion (and gorilla) is a werewolf... and then the mafia ACTUALLY shot implosion, like they believed it.
That would logically point to werewolf having a redirector and mafia having a rolecop.

If it's not 4-4-1 (god save us all if it is), then whoever RBed gorilla would be town.


So here's what happened during the night, for yall who aren't paying attention.

Last night, Gorilla the werewolf watcher decided to watch someone. Who we'll never know, because the roleblocker (town)being a bit silly, he thought blocking the outed scum PR instead of the outed potential goon was a smart move.
Meanwhile, Mafia (presumably singer) went "Oh crap, I shall kill the werewolf watcher to avoid me being outed the same way my buddy T-Bone outed them!"
What she didn't know is that the outed potential goon wasn't just an outed potential goon, he was a redirector/bus driver.
Poor little mafia (presumably singer)

So gorilla's RB claim is factual, he's just not the role he claims to be.

Option B has the town possessing the busdriver who should then really consider telling us who he switched with implosion last night or the one before so we can wrap up this game.

B would respect simetry more, unless mafia (presumably singer) can use both her power and kill during the night.

However, we still have a rolecop who's unaccounted for in those scenarios.

So both the busdriver and the roleblocker are town (wtfsetup?)

OR

Gorilla didnt get blocked.

whee theories.



I'm starting to think this is 4-4-1 and am crying on the inside.

[Reckamonic]

But we have a flipped JK.

I doubt town would have JK, RB, Cop, Seer, Voyeur and PGO. Seems like a weird-ass mix (also OP)
So the roleblocker would probably have to be mafia.
except mafia has to have a rolecop otherwise why would they shoot implosion instead of letting the town mislynch?
But then there are too many PRs on one team for the amount of living scum, unless it's 4-4-1


So...

Gorilla is scum as the odds of there being a RB are pretty shallow (see above).
OR
Mafia is pretty silly <_<;
OR
This is 4-4-1 and we're pretty much doomed regardless, though lynching a werewolf is not a bad tradeoff (as long as we lynch mafia tomorrow)

[Reckamonic]

TL:DR

The only case where Gorilla is town is if it's 4-4-1, unless the RB is town which is freaking unlikely OR the mafia is stoopid.

[gorilla]

Thank you for taking your time, Reckamonic.

I'm assuming there is 1 mafia left. My guilty investigation was T-Bone and he got lynched. implosion had no suspicion on him and zepher wasn't being FOSed as mafia anyway. I felt that me dying was no big loss and I left behind a list of reads where mentioned them favorably. I did this seveal other times as well. Even if you disagree with my reasoning and think it was poor play, you need to realize it does not make me scum. You still haven't answered why you think I would claim such a result as scum.

Last night, Gorilla the werewolf watcher decided to watch someone. Who we'll never know, because the roleblocker (town)being a bit silly, he thought blocking the outed scum PR instead of the outed potential goon was a smart move.
Meanwhile, Mafia (presumably singer) went "Oh crap, I shall kill the werewolf watcher to avoid me being outed the same way my buddy T-Bone outed them!"
What she didn't know is that the outed potential goon wasn't just an outed potential goon, he was a redirector/bus driver.
Poor little mafia (presumably singer)

redirecting roles are disallowed in normal games. T-Bone claimed implosion was the werewolf watcher, not me. There obviously isn't a rolecop, which is why implosion was shot last night. If he was a werewolf kill you could possibly have tried to implicate me as trying to clear myself, but he wasn't. If you're lynching me on the word of flipped scum you're failing big time.

[gorilla]

I'm prett confident it's not 4-4-1, Reckamonic. That's due to jindori claiming he had less than 4 buddies and there being 5 scum in the game right now doesn't make sense. Regardless, if I get lynched, 4-2-1 tomorrow. You have to lynch for mafia and leave mastin and his scumbuddy alive for a hope of a town win.