Open 305 - Faith + 1 [D6] [LYLO]

[Ranmaru]

VOTE: Andrew for reasons that people have already mentioned.

Another reason I'm more inclined to join that wagon is because i find the reasoning from the poeple on the wagon tends to be very good.

Another thing I don't think that people have been thinking about a lot is that tragedy may be fake-claiming. I find that to be a serious possibility.

Why do you think she is fake claiming?

[dvdkid13]

VOTE: Andrew for reasons that people have already mentioned.

Another reason I'm more inclined to join that wagon is because i find the reasoning from the poeple on the wagon tends to be very good.

Another thing I don't think that people have been thinking about a lot is that tragedy may be fake-claiming. I find that to be a serious possibility.

Why do you think she is fake claiming?

tbqh, its about 50-50 i think. reread my day 1 iso if you wanna know reasons. someone brought up the fact that she didn't die N1 as a scumtell but i find it to be null. also, she claimed cartmen, which in my mind could definitely be a scum role.

[Tragedy]

B4 I get back to doing my French Project 'n POP project (Will report my full suspicions, but will do part of it today),
Why should I fakeclaim? It's more harder to claim as a VT or Faith Healer than some other person, you know. >_>
P.S. You cannot prove I am the Faith Healer easily, but you

can

prove I'm town if some guy was that cop and investigated me.


ANDREW ISO
#0 - RVS Vote Muffins
#1 - Thinks ZmuffinMan thinks that Andrew himself isn't scum.
#2 - Unvotes.
#3 - Votes Amrun.
#4 - Argues against Ghostlin, who thought someone declared him as scum.
#5 - Scummy person claims cop and gets counterclaimed -> Does people have to vote him with new case? Doesn't remember why he voted Amrun. Thinks Dvdkid is scummy due to his "Cautious" posts, unoriginal 'n questions Muffin's "A-&-B SCUM", though its a joke. Dvdkid voted muffin for ?? reason.
#6 - Asks Ghostlin for misusing words. Claims to not clearly actively lurking.
#7 - Cops claiming innocent people is a good idea.
#8 - Asks Amrun to admit that it's not Appeal to Emotion.
#9 - No godfather/Framer/Roleblockers.

Obv?

#10 - V/LA
#11 - Asks ?? to come over his house to prove sickness.
#12 - Ghostlin's call for cop = Null tell. Likes dvdkid for originality with GreyICE. Dislikes Amrun's attack over a sickness & Quilford for random statements.
#13 - Faint accusation somewhere? Asks snake about fake-voting Tragedy.
#14 - Tragedy claimed at L-2. Fake votes=BAAD. Dislikes Quilford for the vote against Tragedy. C-Worl's 447 "implies" that he knows Tragedy is FH.
#15 - Blank.
#16 - Asks ?? for why copying the voting block.
#17 - Voting blocks and be used to win by pure number of confirmed townies & elimination. Doesn't get Split's post.
#18 - Didn't form wagon on zmuffin. Votes C-WOrl due to 447 along with other reasons.
#19 - Quick Post on Post #1. Admits voting C-worl for post #447.
#20 - Says that Post #447 is a slip.
#21 - A slip of saying something that you're not supposed to know. Post #558 is false. You know X is FH when he isn't your ally + you're mafia.
#22 - C-Worl & Amrun are suspicious. Maybe Ranmaru.
#23 - Asks C-Worl if he voted him because of #657.
#24 - Amrun was suspicious since Day 1.

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A) You cannot confirm that Player X is a Faith Healer. There are no role cops, but you can still determine that person's alignment with a regular cop.
B) If Player Y was Mafia, then what's the point of acknowledging Player X as FH? If you believe it, then kill 'em. Then again, Mafia

always

has plans.

Andrew, why do you think Amrun is scum?
Your argument towards the 'slip' would be somehow weak as well. But it doesn't come as scummy.
What happened to Quilford/dvdkid on your scumlist, sir?

I don't like DVDkid's ISO Post #16. His vote on Andrew was just like letting people jump on the wagon without supporting his suspicions against him.

It would be entirely difficult to determine Andrew's wagon...

[splitfarvle]

Day 2, zmuffin's thought processes have followed my own quite closely which is a huge towntell for me.

First GreyICE on D1, now zMuffinMan on D2. zMuffinMan suspects you, but not enough to include you in his scumteam list. You agree with his list, then claim that your read on him has gone from "scummy, to townish, to full on town today." If zMuffinMan is town, I think you're trying to buddy him so he keeps his suspicions on others. It's interesting to me that your townread on GreyICE's slot has declined since he replaced out and Ranmaru has been attacking you.

In other news, trying to figure out what bothers me about these three posts: 554 & 644 & 677

True, fakeclaims are blasphemous.
I wonder if one of them were really Cop, 'cause he probably confuses everyone so easily.

You can still just be a plain cop and investigate me as 'Town' or 'Not Town', but I will most likely get a verdict of 'Town'.

Then again, I wonder what that Cop has been cracking to investigate last night.

Then again, if I was town, then claiming as a Vanilla Townie is harder than a Faith Healer in this game.

Why should I fakeclaim? It's more harder to claim as a VT or Faith Healer than some other person, you know. >_>
P.S. You cannot prove I am the Faith Healer easily, but you

can

prove I'm town if some guy was that cop and investigated me.

Could it be the "fakeclaims are blasphemous" part that seems like scum taunting the town?
Could it be the "most likely get a verdict of town" and the "if I was town" parts that seem like scumslips?
Could it be the fishing and directing of the Cop role?

I'm still very satisfied with my vote, otherwise Tragedy would have made a liar out of me when I said I wouldn't be voting for her today.

[Ranmaru]

guys I am lurking shamelessly due to my unwillingness to play mafia on a tiny smartphone because my ISP shat all over me

so please accept my

resignation letter

declaration of

V/LA until the 3rd or possibly the second

also I want a C-Worl lynch but I guess I should probably include some explanation with my vote (bawwww) so I'll try and do that later

No, please do explain why. I'd rather you vote Amrun.

[Ranmaru]

He thinks it's too early to bus his scumbuddy when he smells a mislynch on the horizon.

Why did you answer before Empking could answer?

[Ranmaru]

Saw you there Tragedy. How do you feel about a Amrun lynch?

DVDkid, what is your read on Amrun and Muffin?

[Amrun]

He thinks it's too early to bus his scumbuddy when he smells a mislynch on the horizon.

Why did you answer before Empking could answer?

Jokes go WHOOOSH

LOL'd. ~ CHK

[zMuffinMan]

So I tried to google "Tragedy translator" but had no luck. #677 is giving me a headache.

@Tragedy,

Do you think andrew is scum? What does the following mean...?

It would be entirely difficult to determine Andrew's wagon...

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@Split,

Yo, just like... tell me you're considering burying andrew right now. If this andrew wagon collapses, I'll consider the Amrun wagon, but this is andrew-scum without a doubt. I've played like 40 games with andrew, I know his scum meta and I know his town meta. This is not andrew-town.

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@Ranmaru,

Why are you voting for Amrun again? Do you have anything better than sheeping Empking's "voting bloc" reason?

[Tragedy]

Barely said much.
I should've put "Determine Andrew's Alignment". xD

[zMuffinMan]

What do you think of Amrun then?

Who are you thinking about voting for?

Do you think you're going to vote any time soon?

[andrew94]

@tragedy, please read my iso for amrun.
about dvdkid, i made 2 posts about him, the first one stating that he was sus, the second post saying i liked his original post, i then promptly forgot about him. so..
ill have to read into him.

the % of c-worl doing that is actually more. look into the game where he replaced me, he rushed for a hammer (this is seperate from his slip_)

[Quilford]

let me reread andrew kthx

[Amrun]

Tragedy reading for ME? Lol.

[Tragedy]

@Amrun: Although it doesn't fit -andrews- town meta, do YOU think his actions were actually suspicious, in this game, regardless of his metas and crap? All about "META DETERMINES ALIGNMENT" sort of makes my head crack open...

And yes, that vote earlier,

against

me, was still sort of funny too. My reads was always -random-, yet, I don't know. You only went through my reads, but you never gone through that reason why I was damn scum. Blargh.

Your vote on Redcolbalt was no reason stated. And heck, voting blocs are still not my thing.

Whose scummier, QUILFORD (Who people thought looked townier 'cause of hypocup argument), or ANDREW (Who you believed based on Town Meta)?

I dislike how you just vote against others for a town meta that doesn't match the ones in previous games.

[Amrun]

You're not reading.

I detailed very clearly the in-game reasons I think andrew is scum.

I also gave reasons on RedCobalt at some point.

My reasoning on you was a bit weak, but I was mostly just riding the wagin to see what shook out. However, not laying down a vote is a scumtell, and you fit that - and it matched up with your scum meta.

I've also said mutliple times toda that andrew is scummer than Quilford.

I answered every one of these before. Please read.

[splitfarvle]

@Split,

Yo, just like... tell me you're considering burying andrew right now. If this andrew wagon collapses, I'll consider the Amrun wagon, but this is andrew-scum without a doubt. I've played like 40 games with andrew, I know his scum meta and I know his town meta. This is not andrew-town.

I'm ok with either at this point, and I think putting him at L-1 might get a better response than I've been getting from Amrun or Tragedy lately. (read: any response)

VOTE: andrew94

@Mod: Redcolbalt hasn't posted in over three days. Prod?

[splitfarvle]

Oops
UNVOTE: Amrun
VOTE: andrew94

[chkflip]

Vote Count 2.4

Andrew (5):

Amrun, zMuffinMan, C-Worl, dvdkid13, Slipfarvle

L-1

Amrun (2): Empking, Ranmaru
Empking (1): Quilford
C-Worl (1): andrew94

Not Voting: RedColbalt, Tragedy

V/LAs

Splitfarvle V/LA until Monday or Tuesday

With 11 Alive it's 6 to Lynch.

Deadline is June 15th, 2011 at 10:00 PM PST

I already prodded RC and he said he would respond. If he doesn't soon, it's force-replace time.
Thanks for paying attention, though. I appreciate it. =D

[Tragedy]

My reasoning on you was a bit weak, but I was mostly just riding the wagin to see what shook out. However, not laying down a vote is a scumtell, and you fit that - and it matched up with your scum meta.

Meta this, meta that.
Can't you just judge their scumminess on how they're currently doing, instead of trying to make yourself smarter by comparing one game to another, when we plan to play differently most of that time.

[Redcolbalt]

Would i be able to get a replacement. This game is completely over my head.
Way to much going on for me to begin to keep track of. im sowwie

[C-Worl]

Would i be able to get a replacement. This game is completely over my head.
Way to much going on for me to begin to keep track of. im sowwie

Just hammer Andrew and we'll explain everything in the morning.

[Ranmaru]

Would i be able to get a replacement. This game is completely over my head.
Way to much going on for me to begin to keep track of. im sowwie

Just hammer Andrew and we'll explain everything in the morning.

Whoa wtf man no Andrew needs to CLAIM first. (I'm not asking for it I'd rather lynch Amrun but I'd rather not have a pre-mature hammer so that someone can have the time to read up)

FoS: C-worl

[C-Worl]

Would i be able to get a replacement. This game is completely over my head.
Way to much going on for me to begin to keep track of. im sowwie

Just hammer Andrew and we'll explain everything in the morning.

Whoa wtf man no Andrew needs to CLAIM first. (I'm not asking for it I'd rather lynch Amrun but I'd rather not have a pre-mature hammer so that someone can have the time to read up)

FoS: C-worl

What's a claim going to help? He's either scum, a cop, a fh, or vt. Would claiming any of those things sway u from voting him?

[Ranmaru]

Yes, a claim can help. It can help us decide to actually go through with the lynch or not.

Why the hell would you vote a cop/fh?