NY136: The Death of ReaperCharlie (GAME OVER, Town win!)

[Ythan]

You're talking out of your ass. You, and I mean that word generally but I'm sure it applies in particular to you in particular, can't judge the value of a discussion until it has concluded. So quit whining and contribute something of your own.

[Meransiel]

Look, what I'm saying is, he said he won't play the two player excuse to give convoluted reads and change his mind. Wouldn't it be easier to believe him, and call him out if he DOES that? IMO anyway.

[Ythan]

Fact, Mafia is all about believing what people say.

[Meransiel]

Sarcasm aside, Mafia is about knowing when to believe people and when not to.

[Ythan]

No. It's not. And by the way, the point of the conversation you selected was damn near the end. I really don't get what you're still complaining about, or what you think you're doing now if you have a problem with useless conversation.

[Hrezs]

I am talking about #16 btw.

Also, people, stop crowding pages with this hydra shit, it's useless. Just vote the effer or don't vote the effer.

Squelching discussion?

Vote Mersansiel

Hydra should definately sign its posts. The 'I don't feel like it' attitude needs to go.

[Meransiel]

It's funny because the way you put it it's like you're making him sign his posts by voting me.

Also, why would I want to halt discussion in general if I'm not at risk anyway?

[Meransiel]

Lurking would be much easier from a scum perspective.

[Ythan]

wifom time

[Shanba]

Policy lynching is antitown and those who are advocating policy lynches should be policy lynched for it.

(Also the Hydra wagon is monumentally silly)

Vote: Sensfan

for the whole "I'M GONNA PARK MY VOTE HERE" thing on page 2 of a game for an extremely minor sin (if it even is a sin - I could debate theory here, but let it be known I'm somewhat sympathetic to hydra's viewpoint anyway).

Also MBL was quite right to call out that first post of Pj's. He voted for

me

!

[Snow White]

Quick recap. Kondi votes, i dont understand but i can understand some undesirable thoughts to hang a particular player whose play you feel is not good to town. However im not voting Kondi unless i see something i cant find reasonable or logical from him.

Secondly i agree that yes, Hydra should sign his/her name at the bottom/top of their posts. My concern is that when we're looking for an answer to what hydra may have said and easily the other part may cover for him. I get that its his choice, but for the good of town, i think it'd be wiser to know who we are talking to, answering to etc. and if you two could sort out your thoughts between yourselves as a whole prior to presenting them here though that would save some nasty lashback. Because i fear this could be confusing at points if we are minus the identity of the writer. But scum vibe? As of yet, nahhhhhhhhh....

For the min i like Meransiel. Now i didnt like the supposed "Squelching of discussion" but his tone seems natural and townie.

[MagnaofIllusion]

@Kondi –

1. Please confirm that you are a Neighbor to Parama and DH, as they have claimed.
2. If you are please confirm the paraphrase of your posting as claimed by DH is correct.
3. If it is correct please explain why confirming alignment unconfirmed Neighbors is important and why you think lynching you would be the best way to accomplish that.

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Meransiel just FYI you're the only person here who I've played with that doesn't know that they've played with me.
That sounds incredibly convoluted.
Just thought I'd let you know all these things.

So did you play with Meran as an alt or as part of an unsigned Hydra? I don’t care the identity of said account but the type is quite important.

FoS: AGM

You die once we get this policy lynch out of the way.

I actually don't disagree with AGM at all.
kondi's still a better lynch but if that Hydra Hydra Hydra Hydra doesn't start playing like a Hydra Hydra Hydra Hydra then they can go too.

Let me get this straight …

In post 8 you FOS AGM for saying that the Hydra was scummy for playing ‘Unhydra like’.

You confirm in 35 that you disagree with AGM’s stance yet in the very next line say “If they don’t start playing like a Hydra they can go also”. Which is exactly the stance that AGM took that you are disagreeing with.

Huh?

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Quick wagoning? They're RVS votes on page 1 in a large game. There's no reason to believe that wagon was or is going anywhere at all.

By the time you posted this both DH and Parama had claimed that their votes were not RVS but based on scummy QT posting. Are you not reading the thread?

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This only moves if and when every single post the Hydra makes is explicitly and directly accounted for by exactly 1 of the heads.

Ok, so you are going to park your vote for something that is at worst Anti-Town (and that can be argued)? Noted.

And 54 (especially number 2) is an exercise is bringing up pointless theoretical scenarios that have no application to this game.

12 violations of #1 and counting. So how about we start signing posts, eh?

Completely inaccurate. Your #1 was based on changing opinions via using unsigned posts. Hydra hasn't changed an opinion that I can see. Your response was yet again another theoretical "I'm assuming this is happening" crapfest that doesn't actually reflect what is happening. At this point you’ve crossed the line between stupidly stubborn about pointless game theory and scummy.

VOTE: Sensfan

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Squelching discussion?

What Pro-Town discussion do you feel Meran is squelching?

[Parama]

MOD: How much would it take to buy this thread from you? You can still run the game, I just really like this thread.

Make me an offer.

I have 53 cents in my pocket, and there's two dollars lying on the counter a few feet away. So I'll take the thread for 2 cents.

@Parama: What the fuck?

Vote: Parama

I played with you under an alt that nobody but the mods know about, just for clarification.

So did you play with Meran as an alt or as part of an unsigned Hydra? I don’t care the identity of said account but the type is quite important.

Pfffhaahahaahaha "Quite Important"? Why?

FoS: AGM

You die once we get this policy lynch out of the way.

I actually don't disagree with AGM at all.
kondi's still a better lynch but if that Hydra Hydra Hydra Hydra doesn't start playing like a Hydra Hydra Hydra Hydra then they can go too.

Let me get this straight …

In post 8 you FOS AGM for saying that the Hydra was scummy for playing ‘Unhydra like’.

You confirm in 35 that you disagree with AGM’s stance yet in the very next line say “If they don’t start playing like a Hydra they can go also”. Which is exactly the stance that AGM took that you are disagreeing with.

Huh?

I changed my mind because AGM's first post was crap but the rest of Hydra's posts past that point were crappier.
Also in 35 I said I

don't disagree

which means you need to learn to read better d(''d)

[MagnaofIllusion]

Pfffhaahahaahaha "Quite Important"? Why?

Because it goes to your motivations as to whether your belief in your statements about Hydra play is truthful. But since you’ve claimed to have played with Meran as an Alt it’s a moot point.

I changed my mind because AGM's first post was crap but the rest of Hydra's posts past that point were crappier.
Also in 35 I said I don't disagree which means you need to learn to read better d(''d)

Yes, my mind filtered out the pointless double negative and only read it as a single negative.

I need to be able to read better and you need to be able to write better.

[Parama]

For the record, the only times I've ever played as a hydra were in the hydra mafia games, which is why I'm never playing as a hydra again.

And the reason for saying "don't disagree" instead of "agree" is that earlier I DID disagree with AGM. That has changed. Before, I disagreed. Now, I don't disagree.

The point stands that you need to be able to read better.

[Meransiel]

Well...quite frankly, I didn't understand what you said at all, Parama. I need to think better.

MoI defending 3 people? I don't know what to make of it, been in a single game with him where he was town and very aggressive. Meh, side note here.

By the way, what are the chances of a pure town 3 man neighborhood?

[AlmasterGM]

By the time you posted this both DH and Parama had claimed that their votes were not RVS but based on scummy QT posting. Are you not reading the thread?

My brain honestly did not even register that because I thought they were kidding. I guess they aren't.

Anyway, a three-way neighborhood already lends itself to having one of the players be scum ... so if one of them is acting scummy in the QT, that's a pretty legit lynch. I could support that once we see some posting from kondi2424 in the thread to cross-check.

[Meransiel]

True, that's legit, we should only lynch from the neighborhood if the neighbors themselves feel like it's legit. And/or if we get some night info, of course. Could result in quite a catch, a 3 town neighborhood is too good anyway.

Kondi, when you stop sitting on your ass, can you tell us exactly what's been said? Everything helps. Really.

[MrBuddyLee]

Oh by the way me DH and kondi are neighbors and in our neighborhood QT kondi said he wanted to be lynched which is why me and DH are voting him to oblivion.

Paraphrasing kondi's first and only post of the QT:

"Hey guys! You are awesome neighbors!

You can lynch me sometime, but not Day 1. I want to be able to confirm you guys as neighbors in the future when it's a critical time to do so."

Can you two please be more specific on why you believe kondi's the best lynch for today?

[SensFan]

12 violations of #1 and counting. So how about we start signing posts, eh?

Completely inaccurate. Your #1 was based on changing opinions via using unsigned posts. Hydra hasn't changed an opinion that I can see. Your response was yet again another theoretical "I'm assuming this is happening" crapfest that doesn't actually reflect what is happening. At this point you’ve crossed the line between stupidly stubborn about pointless game theory and scummy.

VOTE: Sensfan

Yes, it's such a massive stretch to assume that his unfortunate partner might have some disagreement with him announcing on page 2 that he'd rather be voted by multiple people than post his goddamn name in his posts.

Also, since you brought it up multiple times, I'd just like to point out that he was the one who raised such succinct points against his play, not me. I just pointed out when he violated his own rules.

[Parama]

Can you two please be more specific on why you believe kondi's the best lynch for today?

No.

[Meransiel]

Then kondi is not dying.

[kondi2424]

@Kondi –

1. Please confirm that you are a Neighbor to Parama and DH, as they have claimed.
2. If you are please confirm the paraphrase of your posting as claimed by DH is correct.
3. If it is correct please explain why confirming alignment unconfirmed Neighbors is important and why you think lynching you would be the best way to accomplish that.

1. Yes, I'm their Neighbor.
2. Yep, it's right.
3. I feel really stupid. I was under the impression that we were alignment confirmed. Haven't played any games in groups besides scum groups.

Now that I know this, get off my crapwagon, guys. Imma reread.

[MagnaofIllusion]

3. I feel really stupid. I was under the impression that we were alignment confirmed. Haven't played any games in groups besides scum groups.

Why were you under that impression? Did you role PM mention alignment in any manner?

You also didn't answer how you getting lynched would be the best way to confirm them (in that case that you were alignment confirmed as you said above).

[Parama]

Then kondi is not dying.

There's literally NOTHING more to say.
Well, there WAS.

*facepalm* at kondi. neighbors =/= masons.