NY136: The Death of ReaperCharlie (GAME OVER, Town win!)

[Parama]

Page 8 wazzup:
Iece's 178 is just as useless as his last catch-up. There's a lot there, but none of it says anything.
What the hell this page is all walls.
No.
Screw it. I'm done.

[Parama]

Parama’s

240

pings my scumdar.

This is the second time you've said this, and the second time you haven't explained.

[Iecerint]

I have a handful of townreads, but I don't have any strong scumreads yet. I'll read along, agree with something someone says re: X being scum, but then not really get a scumvibe when whoever's post came up again. (This happened with AGM most recently.)

[MagnaofIllusion]

Parama’s

240

pings my scumdar.

This is the second time you've said this, and the second time you haven't explained.

Um, so what?

[Parama]

It means IDGAF about your posts.

[Yosarian2]

Yet you’ve been attacking both AGM and I for saying “we must lynch from the Neighbors” which neither of us has.

I think I mentioned this before, but what I would most expect the scum to do would be to subtly plant the idea that "one of the neighbors must be scum, let's lynch in that pool until we find them" without really trying to take the lead and forcing the issue themselves, with the inevitable backlash that would come. That is, I would be LESS suspicious of someone who was ACTUALLY arguing that "we must lynch from the neighbors" and backing that up with a full attack on one of the neighbors and a vote. What both you and, to a larger extent, AGM, is doing, is actually scummier then that, because it leaves you both with the "well, I didn't REALLY mean that" escape hatch after the plan goes badly for the town.

[Hydra]

@Hydra: About the dialogue reenactment thingie...you're straight on. That's why I'm currently hitting my head with my fists.

When I catch up (doing so now) if Meran isn't gaining any other votes than I am going to want to know why.

@Meran - please explain how you did this as "town" and why we shouldn't be speed lynching you, and why I shouldn't be screaming at everyone to lynch you na0w.

[DemonHybrid]

I have some people to answer.

That'll have to wait until after I get back from New York City later tonight.

[Hydra]

Sensfan hardly is a ‘policy lynch’. He’s posting with regularity but doing NO scum-hunting at all. He’s focus solely on “Sign Your Post” gate, defending how Townie “Sign Your Post” gate is, and fluffing.

Who else do you think aren’t at least attempting to do some scum-hunting while being active?

Slightly silly to mention now, but relevant at the time of my post - Ythan.
There are also some active lurkers, and I personally find those worse than people who scumhunt poorly.

You posted after Sens assault, and after me telling him to sod off, and added...bupkiss to the conversation topic.
Oh, but you think it's a good topic. Right.

First, I started this. Second, I posted before SensFan did. Third, I agreed with SensFan, and there's nothing wrong with agreeing with people instead of restating what they said.

Like I said, I agree that I hadn't contributed much before. But neither had SensFan. Hydra ise picking and choosing who he thinks is scummy.

1. I know you started it - that's part of the scumtell.
2. You dropped off the face of the world once actual pressure was brought on me, and posted with no commentary about the ongoing debate.
3. You sneak in a snide cheek against me in this post though - yar, I am never signing, vote accordingly.
4. What does that last line even mean? You're saying you're scummy but Sens is equal levels of scummy?
^^^

@MoI

- THIS #4 right here, this is why AGM is waaaaay scummier than Sens.

Hydra- You were completely on the fence about it. Scum love to sit back and not take action. You didn't solidly come to a conclusive decision about the possibility of all of them being town. Its not the end result of your decision, its how you got there(which is basically the whole game)

I had to go back and figure out what this conversation line was even about.

You're accusing me of being a scummy fencesitter when I didn't come out conclusively and say whether or not there was scum in the neighborhood?


Okay; two things,

1. Please list all the players who came out conclusively with an opinion.
2. Enjoy your stay in the scum pool. You can join that Ear guy too, you should both visit Vigville, USA if at all possible.

As discussed - in my opinion he [Meransiel] was using logic unavailable to him without an inside track on the QT.

Link me to prior discussion?

Parama: Townslip, ho!
Meran: Yes, total and obvious townslip!
Thor: Buh? What townslip - explain pl0x.
Parama: Because of what he said in the QT paired with this it makes sense as a townslip.
Thor: Meran, what townslip did you see?
Meran: Oh...that post, um...just that post, totally a town tell.
Thor: I think you're using inside knowledge and are changing your story.
Meran: That wouldn't work unless scum have Daytalk.
Thor:

Did this really happen? I guess this is what you were referring to that I asked about above? EDIT: Oh, yeah. MoI asked the same thing thing and you're answering him... ^^;

And Meran admitted that it was accurate and EVERBODY IS AVOIDING COMMENTING ON IT!
Yeah, what's up?

Stuff from page 6:

why the hell are you still voting kondi

Because I think he's scum and don't like the counterwagon on me. What of it?

Why do you think he's scum?

If you're reading back then you ought to be able to find a post where I explain it.
At page 6 the reason was this;

1. If it's before he did the 'confirmed neighbor thing' I was doing it to bandwagon.
2/ If it's after the 'confirmed neighbor' thing it's because he was trying to explain to his "confirmed" buddies not to lynch him...and that is sketchy as heck and suggests he was goofy as heck scum, or flat out lying about believing he was scum.

kondi legitimately thought we were all confirmed town to each other. all I need to do is read his post in the neighborhood to confirm that.

Please paraphrase it again.

Nah. Don't feel like it.

Because...the last thing you want to do is...help confirm...obv. town? Bwuh?

[Hydra]

^^^
Sorry about that, I'm just not logging into the hydra as much as I do my regular account, so you get my responses in a wall. Most of that is only relevant to the people I'm responding to - I separated out the Meran thing because it needs more attention. Had one important bit in their for MoI as regards AGM=scum (frankly there's some good general AGM=scum that everyone should look at)

[MagnaofIllusion]

@Yos

re 255 – And you are taking the same exact soft stance on the Neighbors being all Town. We’re going to disagree on this and I don’t see that further back and forth between us is going to do any effective good.

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Slightly silly to mention now, but relevant at the time of my post - Ythan.

Not so silly because he was my top other active-lurking non-scum-hunting suspect when I asked that question.

+Town points to you.

@MoI - THIS #4 right here, this is why AGM is waaaaay scummier than Sens.

I see what you are saying. Let me mull ...

And Meran admitted that it was accurate and EVERBODY IS AVOIDING COMMENTING ON IT!

I see exactly what you are saying. My problem is I am having huge difficulties thinking he could be bad enough scum to active role-fish in the manner he did. Maybe I’m giving him too much credit. I’m going to have to re-read Superhero Mafia.

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Nah. Don't feel like it.

This is the second time you've said this, and the second time you haven't explained.

Oh, so it’s perfectly fine for you not to elaborate when you want but others doing isn’t appropriate. Noted.

Because kondi is always a good lynch.

Oh, so your good reasoning to think there was scum in the Neighborhood was a Policy Lynch. I see.

In what world is it NOT a townslip?

What part of the phrase “I don’t put (yeah, I had a typo originally) any weight at all in Town slips / tells” don’t you get?

Now care to explain why you disagree with me?

Disagree with you regarding what? Your hypothetical situation as posed? That your attack using the ‘Lining up lynches’ play is scummy? I need more information to clearly respond.

Yos, Moai: stop having wall-o-text wars. Not reading any of it. Probably not missing anything.

Parama – stop whining like a suburban spoiled emo kid that ‘Reading is Hard’.

[Parama]

Nah. Don't feel like it.

This is the second time you've said this, and the second time you haven't explained.

Oh, so it’s perfectly fine for you not to elaborate when you want but others doing isn’t appropriate. Noted.

Haha, nice out-of-context quote there. I refused to paraphrase something that has already been paraphrasing. Where have I refused to elaborate on something?

Because kondi is always a good lynch.

Oh, so your good reasoning to think there was scum in the Neighborhood was a Policy Lynch. I see.

Haha, misrep it up.
I thought kondi was a good policy lynch BEFORE he was scum.
When I thought he was scum, I pushed it as a policy lynch anyways . Me and DH had already agreed to push this lynch prior to the game so it hardly matters.
I now have no reason to believe there is scum in the neighborhood.

In what world is it NOT a townslip?

What part of the phrase “I don’t put (yeah, I had a typo originally) any weight at all in Town slips / tells” don’t you get?

So you think townslips don't exist. I know that's what you said.
Tell me why what kondi posted isn't a townslip, because I believe they exist, and I believe kondi made one. If you think townslips don't exist, then prove it to me right here that kondi did not in fact townslip.

Now care to explain why you disagree with me?

Disagree with you regarding what? Your hypothetical situation as posed? That your attack using the ‘Lining up lynches’ play is scummy? I need more information to clearly respond.

You said my argument was a scumtell, which means you disagreed with it.
Does AGM's post not look like lining up lynches to you? Because it does to me.

Yos, Moai: stop having wall-o-text wars. Not reading any of it. Probably not missing anything.

Parama – stop whining like a suburban spoiled emo kid that ‘Reading is Hard’.

I am here to play mafia, not read a goddamn novel. Yes, MoI, your posts are almost exclusively TOO DAMN LONG. Conciseness is pro-town. Apparently you were never taught this. And when you make long posts, it forces other people to make long responses. And then there are long responses to those responses, and the cycle perpetuates creating worse and worse posts until everyone gives up.

[Parama]

Y'know what it's time for methinks?

unvote, vote: MoI

he's scum. Lots of misrep and he's happy to dodge any question thrown his way. He's on the "lynch the neighbors" wagon, and it's because he knows we're all town.
Still hasn't explained either of the times where I "tripped one of his personal scumtells" or "pinged his scumdar".
I could probably write several books on his posting thus far if I ever felt bored enough to do a PBPA. I was just getting bad vibes at first but now it's definitely something worth pursuing.

[ReaperCharlie]

*claws her way out of the grave*



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*comes back as a zombie vigilante and hunts you all down*

[DemonHybrid]

Of course. What a surprise.

[Yosarian2]

Going to be away for the weekend.

[Amrun]

VC1.5

(1) DemonHybrid - saporovirus
(0) Earworm
(0) Snow White
(0) Iecerint
(0) saporovirus
(0) Parama
(1) AlmasterGM - Yosarian2
(1) Hrezs - Iecerint
(0) PBuG
(6) Meransiel - Hrezs, Shanba, DemonHybrid, kondi2424, Hydra, petroleumjelly
(0) MrBuddyLee
(1) petroleumjelly - MrBuddyLee
(0) Yosarian2
(0) Shanba
(2) SensFan - MagnaofIllusion, earworm
(2) Hydra - AlmasterGM, SensFan
(2) MagnaofIllusion - Meransiel, Parama
(0) Kondi2424

Not Voting: Snow White, PBuG

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

V/LA: MagnaofIllusion, Yosarian2

Deadline: Tuesday, July 5, 11pm EST (one day added due to my realization that the deadline fell on an American Holiday and my biggest work day of the year)

Spoiler: Vote History

DemonHybrid - kondi > Hydra > Meransiel
Earworm - Hydra > SensFan
Snow White
Iecerint - Hrezs
saporovirus - DemonHybrid
Parama - kondi > Hydra > MoI
AlmasterGM - Hydra
Hrezs - Meransiel
PBuG
Meransiel - Parama > unvote > MoI
MrBuddyLee - petroleumjelly
petroleumjelly - Shanba > Meransiel
Yosarian2 - Shanba > unvote > AlmasterGM
Shanba - SensFan > Meransiel
SensFan - kondi > Hydra
Hydra - kondi > Meransiel
MagnaofIllusion - SensFan
Kondi2424 - Meransiel

If there are any mistakes, please let me know.

[Amrun]

PBuG and MrBuddyLee have been prodded.

[Meransiel]

What does MoI's comment have to do with the neighborhood? His argument/assertion was that your wagon had scum...

My wagon contains the whole neighborhood. Hence.

The link between Yos's quotes and your responses to them are sometimes a little weak.

Specifically?

This, in regardins the Meran having a Null on AGM.

Asked and answered.

In regards to the bolded – um what? Have you gotten into the crazy pills Meran because my statement says nothing in the least about that. I have a good number of Town reads currently. You aren't one of them.

That's not the point. If I flip Town, you will get a whole bunch of new scum reads, but no new town reads. And I find that suspicious.

Oh wait, they don’t. Lolfail indeed.

It doesn't matter. It's important information that can be used after a massclaim happens and the doctors out their night targets.

Explain this to me?

Asked and answered.

Meran, why did you bring this up anyways?

Sapo said he didn't like MBL's posts. I disagreed with him.

@Meran - please explain how you did this as "town" and why we shouldn't be speed lynching you, and why I shouldn't be screaming at everyone to lynch you na0w.

You should. I have no excuse for that.

[petroleumjelly]

1.)

Meransiel, if you're going to claim scum, please just do it now and save us some time. There's no shame in it -- not every game is gonna be your game. And this one certainly isn't shaping up to be yours.

2.)

Parama, why did

you

want to be the one who outed the Neighborhood (according to what we've been told about your QT discussions)? Why couldn't DemonHybrid do it? That's a strange request to make.

[Meransiel]

But I'm not a scum.

I simply can't make up a defense for that.

[Hydra]

I AM FAIRLY LIKELY TO GO SCREAMING DEATH CLAN IF MORE PEOPLE DON'T AT LEAST START COMMENTING ON MERAN CLAIMING SCUM.

I CAN DO THIS, I JUST TURN ON CAPS LOCK AND TYPE WHATEVER COMES INTO MY HEAD, AND I BECOME A BETTER SCUMHUNTER BECAUSE OF IT.

...DANDELION!

[Hydra]

And since people are barely noticing this whole case form, and I'll have a decent chance of death via murder - this would make at least one neighbor scum as well.
Thank you.

[Parama]

2.)

Parama, why did

you

want to be the one who outed the Neighborhood (according to what we've been told about your QT discussions)? Why couldn't DemonHybrid do it? That's a strange request to make.

'cause it would've been faster than waiting for DH to do it.
Even though he was online at the same time.

[Parama]

I'm going to be

V/LA from 6/26 to 6/29

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