NY136: The Death of ReaperCharlie (GAME OVER, Town win!)

[MagnaofIllusion]

I have explicitly explained to you why I have a town read on Sens and a scum read on AGM and how I believe their actions are EXACTLY NOT THE SAME. Other head is at least listening to me on that one, though it took some work. Whassup?

I can't possibly wrap my head around Sens as Town. I've repeatedly said that.

In my mind AGM has at least some scum-hunting in his ISO. While I disagree with Mr.BL regading SnowWhite having any I agree wholeheartedly with him that Sensfan is 100% sans scum-hunting.

I have a pretty solid read on you two as Town so I'm willing to listen to your input. It's why I'd vote for Meran ... your arguments have been a pretty strong coutner-balance to my "Scum wouldn't be that stupid to Rolefish so blatantly" regarding Meran.

I'll go look at AGM in ISO and get back to you.

[Meransiel]

Hey, my scumgame sucks, I have to make it better. Hydra, that thing about MoI's conclusions as simple thought process is similar to why petroleum voted me. And nobody said anything against that.

I do find anybody basing a case, and more importantly, a game plan, especially someone as likely to be paid attention to as MoI, on someone flipping Town as distressing. Problem?

Also, I said I believed kondi's first post was the townslip.

Anyway, I'll ISO AGM and see if I can join the discussion.

[Meransiel]

Yeah...he didn't facefuck as much as Sensfan in the Hydra thing, but...

But reading his ISO I realized just how low the chance of Mafia in the neighborhood would be if AGM would flip scum. So yeah, great info.

Vote: AGM

[earworm]

@MOI: How confident are you in DH being scum over Parama? I see questions and suspicions towards both in your iso, but why do you think that a DH lynch would better than a Parama one?

It seems the Sensfan wagon has died. I'm going to wait for some reaction from the newly wagoned before making up my mind here.

[Hydra]

I'll go look at AGM in ISO and get back to you.

Make sure to pay attention to how he sounded when he brought up the hydra issues, and then notice where that debate was as he goes off and posts other things, and then how when I call him on it suddenly he brings up how non-signature hydras are baaad boys again.

@Meran - as you believe you are town, shouldn't MoI showing how scum could be attacking you help clarify for your own mind where scum are? What's the issue here?

[Meransiel]

@Meran - as you believe you are town, shouldn't MoI showing how scum could be attacking you help clarify for your own mind where scum are? What's the issue here?


For my own mind, I don't want to fucking die and flip, thank you very much.

[earworm]

@Meran - as you believe you are town, shouldn't MoI showing how scum could be attacking you help clarify for your own mind where scum are? What's the issue here?


For my own mind, I don't want to fucking die and flip, thank you very much.

But he wasn't pushing your lynch. He was saying that if you die, which you probably eventually will, and if you flip town, he finds those five people suspicious. What's wrong with that?

[Meransiel]

I don't agree. It also exonerates him. I'm also very not dying.

[MagnaofIllusion]

For my own mind, I don't want to fucking die and flip, thank you very much.

Are you seriously this thick?

You don’t have to die to KNOW YOU ARE TOWN … YOU HAVE YOUR OWN ROLE PM (if you indeed are Town, that is).

So while the rest of us have to wait to know your alignment before it becomes applicable to us you can look at that list of 5 and start scum-hunting immediately!

At least if you believe the premise of the relational tell, anyway.

[Meransiel]

I don't believe in the relational tell. I don't think someone is more scummier for being on my wagon.

[TBuG]

I don't believe in the relational tell. I don't think someone is more scummier for being on my wagon.

Usually as town I assume that wagons on me are at least partially scumdriven and thus people who vote me become more suspicious to me. I'm surprised that you don't think the same given how people piled on you simply for rolefishing that you don't think was rolefishing.

Also, more scummier is grammatically incorrect.

[Meransiel]

People that are voting for silly reasons need to unvote, not be lynched. That's not a scumtell, not always. Also, I know it's incorrect.

[Yosarian2]

Mod, can we get a prod on sensfan, please?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Also, I said I believed kondi's first post was the townslip.

Ok, I’ve quoted Kondi’s first post below. Please bold and explain why it is a Townslip. Because it looks to me like this is the exact same 'Townslip' that you agreed you had no reason knowing about -

:@Kondi –

1. Please confirm that you are a Neighbor to Parama and DH, as they have claimed.
2. If you are please confirm the paraphrase of your posting as claimed by DH is correct.
3. If it is correct please explain why confirming alignment unconfirmed Neighbors is important and why you think lynching you would be the best way to accomplish that.

1. Yes, I'm their Neighbor.
2. Yep, it's right.
3. I feel really stupid. I was under the impression that we were alignment confirmed. Haven't played any games in groups besides scum groups.

Now that I know this, get off my crapwagon, guys. Imma reread.

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@MOI: How confident are you in DH being scum over Parama? I see questions and suspicions towards both in your iso, but why do you think that a DH lynch would better than a Parama one?

I do have questions and suspicions of both.

Demon overall looks worse to me. I think this is mostly covered in my ISO but I’ll summarize here.

1. I don’t buy that he ‘made a similar mistake’ when new but didn’t bother to even try to ascertain what Kondi was saying in the QT before starting the wagon on Kondi.
2. Once he unvoted Kondi he jumped immediately called Meran scummy saying “he’s been scummy all along” when there was no mention of Meran being scummy before that point. His response was whelming (that means not good).
3. His followup vote on Hydra was another example of ‘Jump the Wagon’. After he voted he later said he’d be ISOing Hydra to see if he was scummy.
4. Lastly I’m waiting on another response to a point he has yet to address struck me as scummy when he posted it.

[earworm]

People that are voting for silly reasons need to unvote, not be lynched. That's not a scumtell, not always.

Also, I know it's incorrect.

Explain the bolded.

Thanks MOI, it's getting increasingly hard to search for people's cases in this game. That helped a lot. Can't really disagree with any of those points. :/ Time to read DH in iso...

[TBuG]

People that are voting for silly reasons need to unvote, not be lynched. That's not a scumtell, not always.

Also, I know it's incorrect.

Explain the bolded.

I assume that was in response to me pointing out the grammar mistake.

[earworm]

People that are voting for silly reasons need to unvote, not be lynched. That's not a scumtell, not always.

Also, I know it's incorrect.

Explain the bolded.

I assume that was in response to me pointing out the grammar mistake.

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oops. no one saw that.

[Meransiel]

3. I feel really stupid. I was under the impression that we were alignment confirmed. Haven't played any games in groups besides scum groups.

Ok, bolded for your convenience.

@earworm: *facepalm*
Also, yeah:

@mod: a prod on Sens would be very nice

[Hydra]

The townslip is...what then?
How is that a townslip - why don't you walk me through it and explain how that translates to him being town and how it was 'slipped' as opposed to the more conventional town 'tell.'

While we're at it - what were you planning to chat with me about if we'd both replaced out?

[Meransiel]

About my ISO. Don't fucking ask.

Anyway, here's the point up there:

If you're scum in a neighborhood, YOU CAN'T FUCKING THINK YOU'RE ALIGNMENT CONFIRMED. And that's too original of kondi to fake.

[Meransiel]

Also:

@mod: I said I may or may not replace out on Day 2. If I do, am I allowed to send a couple PM's to the guy replacing me?

[SensFan]

Platant prod response. Haven't had time for Scum in a couple days. Will catch up later today.

[Hrezs]

Ok, caught up

Meransiel's 182 is mostly ragefluff, which is either scummy or understandable given the bullshit wagon on him, and given Meransiel's general posting style I'm inclined to believe the former. *waits for people to claim I'm scumbuddies with Meransiel, given I seem to be defending him an awful lot* Not really seeing the argument behind the MoI vote, though.

you're contradicting yourself here, do you mean to say his reaction is understandable?(aka you meant to say the latter, not the former)



Hydra- I've told you why your neighbor stance was scummy. You basically mentioned the issue with saying nothing, as if you felt obligated to comment on it without saying anything. Not even a definitive stance to say nothing.


Decided to iso DH, since something about him had been nagging me


He started off the game with his neighborhood argument against kondi
..and that's where he stayed
90% of his game has been defending himself or discussing the neighborhood
the other 10% is him being vaguely suspicious of Hydra

In retrospect:
He asked Parama for permission to out the neighborhood, thus trying to stay on Parama's goodside, especially since their actions seemed preplanned before the actual outing

Unvote
Vote: DH

[TBuG]

Meransiel's 182 is mostly ragefluff, which is either scummy or understandable given the bullshit wagon on him, and given Meransiel's general posting style I'm inclined to believe the former. *waits for people to claim I'm scumbuddies with Meransiel, given I seem to be defending him an awful lot* Not really seeing the argument behind the MoI vote, though.

you're contradicting yourself here, do you mean to say his reaction is understandable?(aka you meant to say the latter, not the former)

*palm* Yes, I did.

[Shanba]

I don't think Parama is scum. I don't agree with his attack on MoI, but I'm unconvinced it's scummy.

Unvote Vote: SensFan