PJ wrote:Come again? First of all, if somebody joins me, then my wagon will suddenly be the one with three votes on it, thus "making it more viable." I don't see why I should change my vote to make some other wagon "more viable."
Then you need to do a better job of actually making a Parama case. Because what you are doing isn’t cutting it.
I see that you are asking pointed questions of Parama. That’s certainly valid scum-hunting but it does absolutely nothing to push a wagon. That sort of investigation is great for the early stages of suspicion. But it doesn’t provide a reason for someone else to join you. Conclusions and explanation of scummy responses / play does that.
It is one of the reasons I find Mr. BL too be an under-performer. He seems stuck at that stage as opposed to providing analysis / conclusions that people can assess and follow if they find them credible.
The day is rapidly moving to conclusion. We may have a difference of opinion of ‘Marathon versus Sprint’ in this regard but I don’t see that a sudden push at the last moment is a good thing for Town. Too susceptible to scum waffling and ‘looking into it’.
--
Hrezs wrote:MoI- How does Sensfan not qualify as a lurker/underperformer? I can't remember a thing he's done this game but want the hydra to sign its posts. And if your 'he's done nothing constructive' part of your post is your reasoning for letting him slide, why does he get special treatment?
Sensfan’s play has been scummy. He was active early game solely on issues that have absolutely nothing to do with scum-hunting and everything to do with pointless Mafia philosophy clashes. Look in his ISO – not an ounce of scum-hunting. And since being called out on it he’s gone into lurk and prod-dodge mode.
How is placing him as one of the two most suspicious players letting him slide again? I’d like your clarification on that.
Hrezs wrote:and do you not agree that kondi is most probably town?
No, I don’t think so. His ‘slip’ is reasonable but as stated before that doesn’t give him a Town read in my eyes. Furthermore his play has not been strongly Town … since responding to his pressure he’s pretty much only sheeped his Neighbors and provided little in the way of insight on his own.
@Hresz
– Top 2 scum-reads outside DH with short reasoning – GO!!!!
--
Shanba wrote:No, not necessarily, but this is mafia, and inconsistencies bother me. Why are MBL and hrezs in particular on the list when me and PBuG are not?
PBug is not on the list because he’s at least taken solid stances on issues and players (that I believe matter to scum-hunting, as my standard) when he has posted. That’s more than Hrezs, Mr. BL and the others on the list have done consistently.
I’ll have to review your ISO but my impression when I built my list was that you were providing similar thougths on Sensfan, at the least.
--
Hydra wrote:@MoI - the heart and soul of DHscum is his wtf-ness around the kondi push considering his past neighbor experiences, yeah?
The thrust of my suspicion of DH is as follows …
1. Strangeness of play and reaction regarding Kondi
2. His hop onto your wagon after he declares Kondi Town when he later he says he is “unsure of your Towniness” and needs to ISO you.
3. His absolute disappearance since he came under suspicion while being very active all over the rest of the site. This has developed into one of my strongest personal tells as of late.
Honestly my discontent with the AGM wagon has much to do with his attitudes on certain issues (Neighbors) that very much mirror my thoughts. Thus they strike me as Town oriented thougt processes.
When I reviewed his ISO the amount of scum-hunting was pretty underwhelming as opposed to the mass of policy discussion and positional defense.
And I’m having some concerns regarding the AGM versus DH wagons looking at their constitution at post 409.
I have more solid Town reads on the AGM wagon (2) versus the DH wagon (1 being myself). On the flipside I have more ‘possible scum’ reads on the AGM wagon (1) than on the DH wagon (0). I’m torn in that regard. You joining the DH wagon would make me feel much better about the situation.
--
Meran wrote:I believe one of Parama or DH is scum, DH is clearly lurking while posting everywhere else on the site, of Parama I'm not very sure. In this respect, I agree with most of the reasons made against both of them, and I am slightly leaning DH, but would rather put a vote there when I know for sure (i.e. not today).
Meran is trying to earn a scum-read from me with this absolute fence-sitting on DH.
Meran wrote:I am voting a null read because it's not so null anymore, but that's not the main reason. I have come to buy the AGM case more recently, but as I said, the most important thing is that AGM's flip is extremely informative. This is a Large, so that's not the most suboptimal compromise ever.
You didn’t answer the question as asked.
Why did you vote AGM on Monday when on Tuesday you specifically stated you had a Null read on AGM? If you were ‘convinced’ of the case you shouldn’t still have a Null read on him after you voted for AGM.
"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
Pretty much Geriatric game restricted at this point ... unless there are players I REALLY want to play with.
