Mini 1199 - Plissken's Pit [GAME OVER]

[Internet Stranger]

Empking is right, had I waited 5 hours, it would have been a full game with 48 hours of inactivity. That would probably have been a record.

[Rikana]

I apologize, I have an obligation to respond to Bristep, but I do not have the sufficient means o do it at the moment. I'll have it by Wednesday, at the latest. His insults are not too pleasing either.

[smallpeoples343]

LOL. Wow, trying to go for a record with 48 hours of inactivity?

I've seen a game where all the players received an in-game prod after 3 days of no activity whatsoever, more then half of the players were replaced or modkilled, and is now dead.

[PeregrineV]

Reread (such as it is) coming probably Tuesday or Wednesday.

Happy Fourth of July everybody!

[bristep123]

I generally don't play much at the weekend unless something comes up in game which needs my attention. That being said, Rikana don't feel like you have to keep responding to me just because I'm rude to you (a tone which was set out by yourself in the first instance). I do like how you need to spend such a significant portion of your time to respond that it's going to take another 2 days on top of the 2 that has passed to be able to find the time needed.

@malpascp : Essentially you've ignored my last few posts because you needed to deal with the fact I voted for you is how that last post read.

1) "You voted me for not counting the votes corectlly (missed an unvote, I think), or for my "inicial" vote on Emp?" - No, I voted for you to get a reaction and stir shit up. It worked! Also not sure what the reason for putting a misspell of initial in quote marks was but whatevs man.

2) "You are really pissed of about that post." - I'm not though, and never have been. I can't see how my post could be construed as 'pissed off'.

3) " I forgive you. Just please remove you vote, ok?" This is odd, and I need to process it. I've never been told that I'm forgiven for voting for someone at the same time as being asked to remove the vote. Again, if mal had taken the time to read the game fully before jumping to post about my vote he would have seen that I've already moved my vote. Is this a scum tactic? Insult someone's play, then condescend them while asking to get the vote removed?

[Swiftstrike]

@Emp

who killed the game by asking who killed the game with random questions?

Also

@Mod could we have a vote count please.

[Empking]

@Emp

who killed the game by asking who killed the game with random questions?

Nobody

[JAMFTW]

Now Empking's comment doesn't seem so odd to me, as I know what the context for it was. At first it just seemed odd and random. Didn't know he was hoping the thread would reach the 48 hour mark without a post. Although why a townie would want that in the first place is a bit of a mystery to me.

[SomeRandomGuy]

Well the weekend is done with so we really ought to get things moving again. I'm not really sure what there is to latch on to at the moment. Rikana's response to Bristep is something that will be interesting to see but how much substance there is in the whole argument i'm unsure, still though some of the reactions seem a wee bit odd. One thing I don't usually like however is people asking for votes to be removed, especially so early in the game where the chance of being hammered is low to say the least, over defensiveness never does anything to help me trust somebody.

[Sky]

So yes, I've probably been the biggest lurker. But I'm surprised I haven't had more pressure put on me. Bristep was quick to call out InternetStranger and BeautyUndead for a lack of posts, yet didn't call me. If he was really trying to stir things up maybe he'd go for the lowest of lows, me. But he went for the vote on Beauty. Maybe since I was unconfirmed, I don't know and it doesn't really matter. I just thought the shit pot could be mixed. Swift actually calls me out on it but then unvotes when he discovers my V/LAness. He could have kept the pressure on me if he too, was serious.

I'm not a fan of RVS. As you can see, I haven't even random voted. While it can lead to scum slips, it ultimately leads to a bunch people hopping bandwagons for the slightest of moves that in truth don't really suggest. I expect it will lead to some more solid evidence in a few days time though. I do like the posting of Emp and Stranger, since they stand back on such matters.

I do not like the fact malp asked for his vote to be removed. For that I find him suspicious. Furthermore, he brought it upon himself when he even bothered to write the whole vote emp, unvote. It contributed nothing. Sure, he got the vote count wrong, but as Rikana said that makes him an easy target for bandwagon. Bristep may indeed have been promoting good-natured chaos, but as I said above, if he really wanted to be radical he'd have voted me. But I'll wait to explain himself on that one.

[Rikana]

This 'translated:' malarky is basically creating a strawman argument for you to beat down.

Huh?

Your summation of my points is just plain bad, and possibly deliberately so. You're locking onto me because you're either a) new or dumb town who thinks OMG I'VE FOUND ME A SCUM! because you're too inexperienced or dumb to realise that catching scum this early is very unlikely unless you get a blatant fuckup or are an uberscumhunter. I've met uberscumhunters, and you sir are no uberscumhunter. OR b) You're scum caught reacting to something you should have left well alone, and now can't back down from, so there's only one way forward, ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK!

Um.

Well. You could address them still.

Telling me that it's bad isn't helping anyone.

Given you only joined a month ago I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you aren't dumb. Feel free to prove me wrong at any point though.

Why thank you.

Btw. insults are still not appreciated.

Your story about Mal's vote for Emp makes no sense. He didn't vote/unvote at L-2/L-1, so Emp was never at L-1. He was at L-3 at the time of Mal's post, which is why I pointed out that it was weird that mal felt the need to vote/unvote Emp in the same post with the incorrect reasoning that he didn't want him to be at L-1. As with my first vote of Empking I was building early wagons to fuck around and draw out reactions from people.

It didn't matter though, because you still had no intention to find scum, just find reactions.

How again, is my reaction scummy, rather than townie?

Again, dumb or inexperienced thinking that by saying "A vote can be for reaction" I mean "I want to see how X reacts when I vote for him" as opposed to "I want to see how all players react when I vote for X". Big difference, and kinda moots your argument somewhat.

And again, this is where I think you are bullshitting.

I wanted to see what would happen, and I saw what happened. Now I need to work out if you're overzealous and new, or inexperienced and scum.

The reason you made a large post on me, still haven't moved your vote, or actively called me scum means you're going for the delayed process of calling me scum by "thinking".

/nicetry

[bristep123]

So yes, I've probably been the biggest lurker. But I'm surprised I haven't had more pressure put on me. Bristep was quick to call out InternetStranger and BeautyUndead for a lack of posts, yet didn't call me. If he was really trying to stir things up maybe he'd go for the lowest of lows, me. But he went for the vote on Beauty. Maybe since I was unconfirmed, I don't know and it doesn't really matter. I just thought the shit pot could be mixed. Swift actually calls me out on it but then unvotes when he discovers my V/LAness. He could have kept the pressure on me if he too, was serious.

I'm not a fan of RVS. As you can see, I haven't even random voted. While it can lead to scum slips, it ultimately leads to a bunch people hopping bandwagons for the slightest of moves that in truth don't really suggest. I expect it will lead to some more solid evidence in a few days time though. I do like the posting of Emp and Stranger, since they stand back on such matters.

I do not like the fact malp asked for his vote to be removed. For that I find him suspicious. Furthermore, he brought it upon himself when he even bothered to write the whole vote emp, unvote. It contributed nothing. Sure, he got the vote count wrong, but as Rikana said that makes him an easy target for bandwagon. Bristep may indeed have been promoting good-natured chaos, but as I said above, if he really wanted to be radical he'd have voted me. But I'll wait to explain himself on that one.

I didn't call out IS and BU because of a lack of posts, I called on them because both were logged onto the forum at the time, then logged out without posting. Overall activity wasn't the issue, it was not posting when they are logged in. *beam*

[bristep123]

I wanted to see what would happen, and I saw what happened. Now I need to work out if you're overzealous and new, or inexperienced and scum.

The reason you made a large post on me, still haven't moved your vote, or actively called me scum means you're going for the delayed process of calling me scum by "thinking".[/quote]

Eh no. That's conjecture and completely wrong. The rest of the post aside, unless you think I'm scum then I have no reason to lie, so when I say "I need to work out if you're scum (paraphrasing)" I mean just that. There's no ulterior motive here other than to catch scum.

Oh and finding reactions isn't finding scum? bawuh~!? That's the entire reason TO mix shit up. Get reactions and fucking mix shit up, then look at who looks and acts guilty. But no, you just sit in the corner pointing fingers of "J'ACCUSE!", I'll stand in the middle of the room with my sirens blaring thanks.

Until you give me more solid scum or town leanings, I'm really done with you for now. Nothing good can come the two of us walling up the game. No doubt this will be interpreted (or twisted, as the case may be) as "backing down because he has no comeback" because you just can't let that bug up your ass about me die.

[SnakePlissken]

VoteCount II

1. SomeRandomGuy
2. Internet Stranger
3. BeautyUndead -

L6 (Bristep123)

4. PeregrineV
5. FightingShadow
6. Rikana -

L6 (PeregineV)

7. JAMFTW -

L5 (FightingShadow, malpascp)

8. Swiftstrike
9.

malpascp

-

L2 (Internet stranger, JAMFTW, Beauty Undead, Empking)

10. smallpeoples343
11. bristep123 -

L6 (Rikana)

12. Empking -

L5 (SomeRandomGuy, Smallpeople343)

13. Sky

Not Voting

(Sky, Swiftstrike)

Day 1 Ends Tuesday 12th July 20:30 GMT. With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch.

[Empking]

Malp is still scum.

[malpascp]

You guys are pretty much overreacting about me asking for the vote to be removed. Looking back, don't you find it a bit stupid? Honestlly, noone came to the conclusion that it was to reaction-catch. I was hoping the experient (town) players to wait and observe the following posts, but noone even bothered to say that.

Obviouslly that town should'n be that "scared" to ask someone please to remove a vote. And L-2 is not that dangerous, especially in a game like this.

@bristep: I didn't insult your play, I just wanted you to re-analyze the game, and to make a better move, besides the reaction-catching I already referred.

If you like that much to reaction-catch, maybe you should know how to analyze people's reactions too. Your "case" on Rikana is pretty much nothing. Just noise.

[Sky]

I didn't call out IS and BU because of a lack of posts, I called on them because both were logged onto the forum at the time, then logged out without posting. Overall activity wasn't the issue, it was not posting when they are logged in. *beam*

Understood

{Obviouslly that town should'n be that "scared" to ask someone please to remove a vote. And L-2 is not that dangerous, especially in a game like this.

Elaborate

And I might as well add these:
1) I've played 2 newbie games here, and 1 more as a replacement. This is the only forum mafia I have played
2) Well it depends on the role. I hate being VT but being a town power role isn't so bad. This is based off non forum gaming, however.

[Internet Stranger]

If Malpascp was my gut RVS vote and others seem to agree, why should I go against my ESP? Im leaving my vote where it is for now.

[malpascp]

Damn it. I didn't mean that "town shouldn't get scared to ask someone to remove a vote", but that "town has no reason to be "scared" to the point of asking someone to remove a vote". Non-english phrasing, sorry.

[SnakePlissken]

BeautyUndead has requested replacement. Contacting repalcements now.

[PeregrineV]

Malp is still scum.

@Emp- Can you explain this?

@Rikana- I've been watching the byplay between you and Britep, but BeautyUndead also directed some questions to you.
Are you ignoring her on purpose, or did you just miss them?

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 6#p3178396

[JAMFTW]

Damn it. I didn't mean that "town shouldn't get scared to ask someone to remove a vote", but that

"town has no reason to be "scared" to the point of asking someone to remove a vote"

. Non-english phrasing, sorry.

Bolding mine.

If the town has no reason to be scared, why do it?

[Sky]

Yeah I think malp has got some more explaining to do. People are going to vote you, it's the name of the game. I dontthink you're quite lynching material yet, even if I find you the scummiest. But the day is still young and I don't think you were ever in danger of being lynched right out of RVS. If you wish to avoid the noose, provide more defenses

[malpascp]

Because the reason why I asked him to remove the vote was not fear, but to see his and other players' reactions. Note that the word "scared" has a bunny on each side of it.

[FightingShadow]

Unexpected V/LA until Sunday (7/10)

Sorry for the inconvenience.