NY136: The Death of ReaperCharlie (GAME OVER, Town win!)

[DemonHybrid]

unvote

vote: parama

Reasoning?

[petroleumjelly]

THIS GAME.

UNVOTE: MASTIN2

. What a ridiculously ill-conceived "gambit." No SK in their right mind would fall for that, especially since in the same breath you suggested DemonHybrid was a SK, you claimed to not have any information whatsoever.

[Amrun]

Welcome to the Death of ReaperCharlie,

Snow White

mastin2.

You are an

Innocent Child

.

At any point in the game, day or night, you may PM the game moderator to activate your ability. Upon activation, the game moderator will post your role PM in-thread and you will gain mod-confirmed town status.

Win condition:

You win when all threats to town have been eliminated.

[DemonHybrid]

THIS GAME.

UNVOTE: MASTIN2

. What a ridiculously ill-conceived "gambit." No SK in their right mind would fall for that, especially since in the same breath you suggested DemonHybrid was a SK, you claimed to not have any information whatsoever.

I'm deciding on a mastin vote after Amrun does her next votecount. If she modconfirms mastin as town, I will not vote him. If she votecounts without modconfirming him as town, I will vote immediately.

Preview edit:

Well then.

saporo, reasoning for the Parama vote, if you would.

Petroleum climbs a bit on my scum o meter for that last post, but there isn't enough scum motivation behind it for it to be completely damning, so I'll review him.

[saporovirus]

unvote

vote: parama

Reasoning?

1. I am still not liking how you both jumped on the Hydra wagon after kondi "townslipped," but your play towards the end of D1 struck me as somewhat less scummy. I have to go back and re-read it to figure out why I thought so.

2. Parama's general "fuck off with your questions" attitude has been a bit strange. He could just be pissed off with the game but it's been going on for a while.

3. One of you 3 is scum and it's not kondi and it's probably not you.

[Shanba]

Yeah kinda thought it was a bad gambit. I had visions of him claiming townie, though, and me desperately trying to convince people that he was just dumb and not scum and I'm so glad that at the very least he appears to be confirmable. Lets lynch saporo now plzkthx.

[mastin2]

Why?

Spoiler: Case

FoS: AGM

You die

once we get this

policy lynch

out of the way.

vote: petroleumjelly

for the questionable content of his first post.

He... hasn't posted yet?

(Tone)

Hydras gonna fail
^the moral of the story

(Tone)

Just thought I'd let you know all these things.

Code: Select all

[b]vote: kondi[/b]

Everyone who doesn't copy+paste+post the above goes onto my scumspects list.

(Tone)

DAMMIT.
I JUST CONFIRMED THE TOPIC TITLE. SCREW YOU SENSFAN FOR PUSHING ME ONTO THE NEXT PAGE.

(Tone, SensFan was town)

Dh we're like the flying ninja bros.

except I'm only getting ninja'd and not ninja'ing'ing.

(Tone, Buddying.)

if I do I'll wake up to a 9001 page thread full of kondi votes though. that'd suck. exept for the parts about kondo votes.

(Tone, Motive.)

I actually don't disagree with AGM at all.
kondi's still a better lynch but if that Hydra Hydra Hydra Hydra doesn't start playing like a Hydra Hydra Hydra Hydra then they can go too.

(Buddying, Opportunism.)

3 dudes are quick wagoning up a guy.
4th dude comes in and...doesn't join quick wagon, or even comment on it, and votes someone else entirely.

Why does that matter?

OKAY GUYS I'M REALLY LEAVING NOW

SEE YOU ALL TOMORROW MORNING ON PAGE 674.

(Tone.)

I have 53 cents in my pocket, and there's two dollars lying on the counter a few feet away. So I'll take the thread for 2 cents.

(Tone.)

Pfffhaahahaahaha "Quite Important"? Why?

(MoI.)

The point stands that you need to be able to read better.

(Tone, Strawmanning.)

Lower than average, since he was the one who suggested outing the neighborhood. Then again, MoI's catch is pretty good... THEN AGAIN, if DH cared about how he looked, he probably wouldn't have posted that comment in the first place. It's very much a nulltell, really. So yeah, DH is probably town, and I don't want to lynch him today.

(Fencesitting, Opportunism, Buddying, Tone, MoI)

P-Edit:
Hey look, MBL's recent post contributes nothing under the premise of trying to look like he's contributing something.
Just throwing that one out there.

(Opportunism, Tone, Hypocrisy)

Hydra

why the hell are you still voting kondi

oh wait

(Tone)

hey moai
kondi's post in the QT is incredibly vague, btw
I had no clue what he was talking about when he said "confirmed"
didn't get it until he explained
and when he explained he townslipped
at which point DH unvoted
I'm actually not seeing the problem here. at all.

(MoI, Tone)

(lurky lurk + DH's story of why they decided to out the neighborhood reads like Parama is scum trying to get townpoints when faced with a bad situation. ("Oh shit, if I say let's not out the neighborhood he'll think I'm scum" tell. And yes I realize this is WIFOM. That's why he's on the watch list.)

Oh god. This is hilarious.
I haven't been posting recently. This is because of lazy, and doesn't apply to just this game.
However, please note that I have more posts than anybody else in the game. LURKY LURKY LURK LURK ALL RIGHT.
Your hypothetical situation assumes I'm scum to make an argument as to why I may be scum.
WIFOMing away your own arguments means you did nothing but waste space.

I'll read over the boring stuff later.

(Tone, Strawmanning, Reverse-Strawmanning Self.)

Ooh, nice call. One of 5 players is likely to be scum. That's probably true statistically, too. Great job, sherlock.

(MoI, Tone)

Parama’s

240

pings my scumdar.

This is the second time you've said this, and the second time you haven't explained.

(MoI)

It means IDGAF about your posts.

(MoI, Tone, Strawman)

(MoI, Tone, Strawman)

Y'know what it's time for methinks?

unvote, vote: MoI

he's scum. Lots of misrep and he's happy to dodge any question thrown his way. He's on the "lynch the neighbors" wagon, and it's because he knows we're all town.
Still hasn't explained either of the times where I "tripped one of his personal scumtells" or "pinged his scumdar".
I could probably write several books on his posting thus far if I ever felt bored enough to do a PBPA. I was just getting bad vibes at first but now it's definitely something worth pursuing.

(MoI, Tone, OMGUS, Strawman, Reverse-Strawmanning Self)

*yawn*

I'd rather see MoIscum lynched. I'm too lazy to attack multiple people at once, anywho.

(MoI, Tone)

1. dealwithit
2. dealwithit
3. dealwithit

dealwithit

PJ, I don't give a damn about what you want.

(Tone, ? [Exact Word Escapes Me])

vote: mastin2

YAY I CAN PUT OFF READING FOR A DAY

By the way all large normal setups get reviewed so the setup can't possibly be illegal.

(Tone, Panicking Scum, Opportunism, Parroting)

PJ, the problem is I have no clue what this game is about. All my reads would be from page 10 or so. I WILL read eventually, hopefully sooner than later, but until then,

SCREW OFF.

(Tone, Soon-To-Be-PJ)

(Immediate Parama Suspicion.)

(Parama.)

(Neighbor.)

(Neighbor Suspicion.)

(Neighbor.)

(Neighbor.)

(Primarily Neighbor Suspicion; Demon; Parama.)

(Partially Neighbor.)

Parama’s 240 pings my scumdar.

(Parama)

(Parama.)

(Parama.)

(Neighbor.)

(Neighbor.)

(Etc.)

MagnaofIllusion - Town Alien has been shot.

(Dead For A Reason)

PJ, Meransiel (town),

Parama

, Iecrint (town-vig),

Demon

(SK),

Sapo

(Scum?)

If two scum factions, it's 1-1-1: MafA-MafB-Town, MafA-SK-Town, or MafB-SK-Town. Temptation way too high to pass that up.

Wait.

"ReaperCharlie was shot Pre-Game.
Empking was shot Pre-Game."

Two deaths. That means two scum factions, or scum and an SK.

Either way, The neighborhood is 1-1-1.

SensFan - Vanilla Townie

has been shot.

PBuG - Vanilla Townie

has been instantaneously poisoined.

MagnaofIllusion - Town Alien

has been shot.

Day 2 commences.

I am a vigilante. I shot SensFan last night.

(Eliminates One Kill Source As Suspect)

Wait I just realized.

kondi

townslipped. Awesome. 1 confirmed town.

(Kondi town, other two therefore scum)

FoS: AGM

You die once we get this policy lynch out of the way.

Reinforces the 1-1-1 theory...

Parama's response in # 10 does not look town.

Demon-->SK,
Parama-->Scum.

Or Demon-->Scum A,
Parama-->Scum B.

Doesn't matter which; their interactions on page one aren't town, especially considering Hydra is town.

1. DemonHybrid

5. saporovirus
6.

Parama

8. Hrezs*

9. PBuG*

(Hrez weak town-lean)

tl;dr?

Eeny, meeny, miny, moe
Give the scum a lotta rope.
If they holler, let 'em know:
They will always have my

Vote:
Parama

(wagon's a go!
Please, help and Make It So!)

[mastin2]

Also, I need to slightly revise my reads.

Parama's obv-scum, of course. But my notes had the suspect list as six players.

Three of which are now confirmed town. (MoI [yes, I suspected MoI as bussing Parama, and vice-versa], PBuG [that's Demon's SK kill, by the way], and Iecerint [now confirmed-vig].) In a game I estimated to have four scum. With one of the remaining three names (Hrez) being a weak town read.

(The remaining two?
Parama and Sapo.)

I mis-cleared two people as town who're actually scum.

[Parama]

Wow, I can't defend against a non-case.

[mastin2]

Wow, I can't defend against a non-case.

Lynch him, lynch him, Pa-ra-ma,
'Cause he's ob-vi-ous scum, duh.
Let's make sure to Hang 'Em High,
Just to make sure he will Die.
Lynch him, lynch him, Pa-ra-ma...
'Cause he's ob-vi-ous scum, Duh...

[Meransiel]

Mastin is a very weird dude.

unvote

It is nice to have 4 towns though.

[Parama]

Mastin.
Your case is literally taking quotes and throwing words on them without context.
What the hell do you expect me to do?

[Meransiel]

@Mastin: Why did you have a scum read on PBuG?

@Parama: Can you at least pretend to comment on some of mastin case? Pretty please?

[mastin2]

Parama obviously didn't read the case well enough.

@Mastin: Why did you have a scum read on PBuG?

As I said, Process of Elimination. That was pretty much it. The list had seven names, including Demon. Hrez was almost off of it, due to being a (very weak) town-read. Three names on it are now confirmed town. So, at a minimum, I false-cleared one player, potentially (if Hrez is town) two.

[DemonHybrid]

unvote

vote: parama

Reasoning?

1. I am still not liking how you both jumped on the Hydra wagon after kondi "townslipped," but your play towards the end of D1 struck me as somewhat less scummy. I have to go back and re-read it to figure out why I thought so.

2. Parama's general "fuck off with your questions" attitude has been a bit strange. He could just be pissed off with the game but it's been going on for a while.

3. One of you 3 is scum and it's not kondi and it's probably not you.

1. Please do. The more information about this, the better.

2. How is there more scum motivation behind this, and less town motivation?

3. Oh, hell naw. Did you just pepper spray us with PoE? -_-

[saporovirus]

Yeah kinda thought it was a bad gambit. I had visions of him claiming townie, though, and me desperately trying to convince people that he was just dumb and not scum and I'm so glad that at the very least he appears to be confirmable. Lets lynch saporo now plzkthx.

Don't do that!

[Iecerint]

As much as I hate to admit it s/p <3, I think saporo's D2 behaviour has been weird. HOWEVER, I was almost certain she was town D1, so.

Mastin, why are you considering Parama over DH? You just really think DH is the SK because of the PBuG kill?

But I think PBuG was obvtown, anyway...so it may've been simpler than that...

Actually, that makes a certain amount of sense, since SK ordinarily targets scummy players the first few days.

[saporovirus]

As much as I hate to admit it s/p <3, I think saporo's D2 behaviour has been weird.

DEFINE WEIRD.

[mastin2]

Mastin, why are you considering Parama over DH? You just really think DH is the SK because of the PBuG kill?

No, I concluded by looking at the first four pages that Demon looked like a classic SK, and Parama looked like classic scum. Additionally, with a SK, a 1-1-1 neighborhood is just too tempting to not follow through on.

This is likely the main reason both Demon and Parama have to call it an all-town neighborhood--because if they don't, then they've effectively scumclaimed via them mutually agreeing Kondi was town.

[saporovirus]

Mastin, why are you considering Parama over DH? You just really think DH is the SK because of the PBuG kill?

No, I concluded by looking at the first four pages that Demon looked like a classic SK, and Parama looked like classic scum. Additionally, with a SK, a 1-1-1 neighborhood is just too tempting to not follow through on.

This is likely the main reason both Demon and Parama have to call it an all-town neighborhood--because if they don't, then they've effectively scumclaimed via them mutually agreeing Kondi was town.

I MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT THEORY.

BUT I DON'T WANT TO REVEAL IT YET.

[Iecerint]

Weird means that I have a particular response to something, then you have a different one such that I begin to think at possible explanations for your different point of view. I am particularly troubled by a different point of view in your case in particular because our reads have been relatively similar this game.

In particular, I'm talking about your move to defend Meransiel at the start of the day. I thought it as unnecessarily robust. O_o

P-edit: I do not see what you see particularly, though I mean I suppose you aren't making it up.

[Iecerint]

Unvote

[Parama]

Logical fallacy:
Even if DH was SK, he wouldn't know for sure or not whether I was town.
Your argument assumes me and DH know each others' alignments, yet you also suggest we're not the same alignment.

[mastin2]

Mastin, why are you considering Parama over DH? You just really think DH is the SK because of the PBuG kill?

No, I concluded by looking at the first four pages that Demon looked like a classic SK, and Parama looked like classic scum. Additionally, with a SK, a 1-1-1 neighborhood is just too tempting to not follow through on.

This is likely the main reason both Demon and Parama have to call it an all-town neighborhood--because if they don't, then they've effectively scumclaimed via them mutually agreeing Kondi was town.

I MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT THEORY.

BUT I DON'T WANT TO REVEAL IT YET.

The alternative is two scumteams. Either way, Reveal Or Die--I think you're scum; prove me wrong.

[mastin2]

Lynch around the Neigh-bors,
Do it as a fa-vor...
Kill them, kill them,
Or we all fall down...

(Kondi excluded, of course.)

Logical fallacy:
Even if DH was SK, he wouldn't know for sure or not whether I was town.
Your argument assumes me and DH know each others' alignments, yet you also suggest we're not the same alignment.

And where did I say you knew each other's alignments?

I didn't.

You looked like scum.
Demon looked like a SK.

What alignments you thought each other to be is irrelevant and indetermineable for everyone except Kondi's replacement.