Mini 1203: Set's Speed Mafia - Game Over.

[Does Bo Know]

Beck, chill out. Seriously. Your reasons, proof, whatever the fuck you want to call it do not instantly mean that Sens is Scum. Sens's recent posts outline why Beck's vote for Sens doesn't make sense.

YankCane, you seem to be following Beck barely contributing anything new. IGMEOY

Sens shouldn't have lied since there are too many people here that don't see why it doesn't make him scum, and Beck needs to quit sucking at Mafia by contradicting himself with his words and being part of the Sens lying=Sens scum party.

Can we drop this?

Since the game officially started,

Vote: rblinker123

, for reasons already listed.

[Beck]

You're insincere about having proof, since you don't.
You're insincere about wanting to look Town being a scumtell, since you do it.
You're insincere about lying being a scumtell, since you do it.

I never said i have proof, I said you have proven it. As explained there is a difference
I'm not trying to look town as said earlier i don't care if people think I'm scummy, but I can gurantee when I flip, I will flip town
Lying is a scum tell and I have not lied yet I found 2

P. Edit - what the f Bo? Sens post has not done anything of the sort. Sens LIED ABOUT BEING MASON which is reason enough, regardless of my other reasons, this one trumps it all

He needs to die a fast death, we can lynch blinker tomorrow

[Toast]

Oh, of course. I forgot that sarcastically claiming Mason in the pregame was fucking "proof" of being Scum.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/proof

Now it was sarcasm? I thought you were actually trying?

Guys, read SensFan's iso and tell me he's not up to something.

Also:

I've already explained it to you, literally at any point in the game you could have claimed and put suspicion on me, and in the meantime you would have had a free ride. Where's the Scum motivation in that?

What if there actually are masons? What if the cop investigates one of us? Claiming with you would be suicide.

The scum motivation is that a townie could vouch for you and give you protection, with the added bonus that after getting busted, I would get fucked for claiming with you. No way.

Still your move, buddy

Vote: SensFan

[YankCane151]

I'm fairly sure Beck isn't scum here. At least, until I see better proof of his contradictions than Sens posting Beck saying the same thing 6 different times and that being considered one by Sens.

[SpyreX]

Beck, work with me here.

Give me the scum master plan that is claiming mason with someone who isn't your partner.

[Does Bo Know]

Yes. Sens lied about being Mason. I'm not an idiot. That doesn't make him scum. I'd like you to say why the situation that just occurred makes him scum, instead of saying the same shit twenty times that he lied. You're sounding more and more like your enemy this game in every post.

And yeah, Sens, I did just comment on the fact you say the same thing multiple times without anything convincing. Work on that please. Thanks.

Yank, if Beck's scum, you're a buddy. Simple as that. Your comment on not thinking Beck is scum was not needed, and if it was, it probably could've been aimed more toward SensFan, since that's who your vote is on.

PEdit: Damn, SpyreX, beat me to the question.

[Beck]

So whats going on, for comfirmation Sensfan did you lie, are you Mason or not?

Of course I'm not a goddamn Mason.

P.Edit: No fucking duh. Of course I lied. Now can we PLEASE get back to lynching Beck? PLEASE?

All my other reasons are trumped by this post.
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@ toastheir wasn't sarcastic cause he admitted it was a lie, see above quote

P. Edit - Why would I work with you? Do I know your allignment? No

[Beck]

Beck, work with me here.

Give me the scum master plan that is claiming mason with someone who isn't your partner.

I don't know

Tell me the town benefit of it

[YankCane151]

You can't rule out he didn't plan for it to backfire. He's been around a while join date wise, so why not try to trick a newb and if not, he knows he can fall back on townies who'd say "scum would never do that!", thus confirming him 'town' either way. I'm not buying it.

And I'm still up for lynching Sens just because he's no actual help to the town.

Bo- Great. But I don't think he's scum. Same could be said for you and Ran once Sens flips.

[Beck]

What if toast is scum, we lynch Sens and toast is confirmed town the rest of the game

Sens is dumb enough to think that would work

[Beck]

I'm not changing my vote. Convince the 11 others.

[YankCane151]

Seriously, let's stop throwing out the words 'confirmed' so much. If Beck flips town, am I then confirmed town and you confirmed scum for being against him? No. No one is confirmed unless by power role or by death.

[Toast]

Beck, work with me here.

Give me the scum master plan that is claiming mason with someone who isn't your partner.

He gets protection from someone else (me), with the bonus that if/when he gets investigated, I go down with him. Seems like a good scum plan to pull off with someone you think will trust you just because he "knows" you're town.

[SpyreX]

I'm not one for willy nilly town lying but IN THIS CASE there's more upside: if Toast had bit, then Sens narrows the killin' pool tonight and paints a big ol target on his head (yea, this shouldn't happen but its bleedingly apparent Sens is a VT). Even better* would have been if Toast ate the NK because in that scenario it would make negative sense for Sens to have pulled the stunt (theoretically D2 could start with "OMG Toast agreed to the lie!"

It kills the white noise and starts a direction out of the gate. Something that needs to happen in a speed game.

I'm not commending it, but I understand it.

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On the flipside the risk/reward for scum (unless both are scum which woo) is much worse. There's not an upside unless its "Hope someone like SpyreX comes to the rescue instead of turning me into slag".

Which woosh.

[SpyreX]

1-1 is always in the town's favor. Sens setting himself up pre game as a sacrifice is on drugs.

[Toast]

It wouldn't be 1-1 because nobody would go after him until MUCH MUCH later in the game. It's not 1-1 killed, it's 1-1 protected. Bad for town.

[Beck]

End game you can call me every name in the book, but if he actually is town( highly unlikely) this is his lesson

I think town would not be so dumb, unless he has a history of doing it

Does he have a history of fake claiming as town?

[Noramp]

VOTE: Rblinker

I don't like what Sens did but I have him leaning closer to town than blinker. Blinker is coming off as passive scum trying to stay below the radar.

[SpyreX]

It wouldn't be 1-1 because nobody would go after him until MUCH MUCH later in the game. It's not 1-1 killed, it's 1-1 protected. Bad for town.

If you had agreed both of you would quickly be on the scum must kill list and your continued survival would become a death warrant.

I can't believe I'm still arguing this with you.

[Beck]

I Apologize to Sens for the personal attacks.

I'll keep my chatter to a minimum for fear of doing it again

[Toast]

It wouldn't be 1-1 because nobody would go after him until MUCH MUCH later in the game. It's not 1-1 killed, it's 1-1 protected. Bad for town.

If you had agreed both of you would quickly be on the scum must kill list and your continued survival would become a death warrant.

Only if Sens is actually town! If Sens is scum, then scum could have killed me and then not gone after Sens. "I guess they're not going after me because solo Mason has no powers."

How are you not seeing this?

[Toast]

^nevermind, I would flip town

[SensFan]

It wouldn't be 1-1 because nobody would go after him until MUCH MUCH later in the game. It's not 1-1 killed, it's 1-1 protected. Bad for town.

You haven't explained how I'm supposed to gain any protection as Scum for myself by claiming Mason with someone who I know is not my Mason partner. What I would be doing is making someone (Toast) completely unlynchable for the rest of the game. Protip: Scum don't like to completely cut off mislynch targets in the pregame. What I would also be doing is putting the claim in your hands; at

any

point in the game, you would have been able to come out and counterclaim me, and there would be no question in anyone's mind that I was the one lying. And obviously it also means one more person that I wouldn't be able to kill for the rest of the game. Scum also don't like doing that, for obvious reasons.

Now, pretend I'm Town for a second. In that case, I would have protected you from being mislynched for the rest of the game, since I know you're Town and you know you're Town. I would have painted the NK target on my and your back, which is also a good thing. We also only have 72 hours to get someone to a

majority

of votes, since no lynch at deadline ends in NL. And again, since there was no chance of you being lynched today regardless (see: 'Anyone with 2 brain cells' argument), I thought it best to just get the idiots and/or Scum who were going after you to focus their efforts on someone who actually might be lynched today.

[Toast]

What if I was scum? You were so confident I wasn't that you were willing to risk me being scum and getting your protection for the rest of the game?

What I would also be doing is putting the claim in your hands; at any point in the game, you would have been able to come out and counterclaim me

Yeah, and if I was scum the whole town is fucked

You're right that I'm town, but that doesn't mean I should be confident in your judgement that I am.

[SensFan]

What if I was scum? You were so confident I wasn't that you were willing to risk me being scum and getting your protection for the rest of the game?

What I would also be doing is putting the claim in your hands; at any point in the game, you would have been able to come out and counterclaim me

Yeah, and if I was scum the whole town is fucked

You're right that I'm town, but that doesn't mean I should be confident in your judgement that I am.

You aren't Scum. I've been over this a million times. I know you're not Scum. You know you're not Scum. So problem solved.

Besides, it also works in reverse. If somehow I knew you were Scum later in the game, I could claim and the gig would be up. But that wouldn't have been necessary; I would have been killed N1 for being a Mason and busting the scumteam wide open.