Mini 1203: Set's Speed Mafia - Game Over.

[Ranmaru]

I'm confident on my read on Sens, simple as that.

I understood why he said Beck was scum because after I RVS'd Sens, Beck then voted Sensfan. He noticed Beck may have been sheeping me without even knowing if my vote was serious or not.

Bob I just gave opinions above.

[Pine]

I want the Beck=Town read explained specifically, but I'd like to hear the rest as well.

Also, how is "Beck=Town, Pine needs to eat a bullet (for reasons unspecified)" qualify as not taking sides or ignoring the dispute between Beck and I? Your bias betrays you.

Calling it: Sens-Beck-Spyrex. Probably wrong, but I like trying to call it on D1 (I have never been correct yet, so take this with a grain of salt).

[Cyberbob]

Bob I just gave opinions above.

Right, sorry I started writing that post ages ago when I got out of bed and just came back to finish it off then. I was in a bit of a rush to get it done before I have to go out today and just hammered Submit.

[Ranmaru]

Ah ok, thank you for clarifying.

Btw Bob, can you give me thoughts on TS, Noramp, and Zeph?

[rblinker123]

VOTE:SensFan

Out of everyone I find SensFan the most likely scum. Most of his play has been anti town.

Town achieve nothing by false-claiming Mason, it doesn't get us anywhere by lying and it was a usually buddying up to try to convince people toast was town when he wasn't in danger, it was early pre-game. There's no town motivation for false-claiming and lying so I feel it scummy play.

SensFan has tried to buddy up during the game, theres no need for town to buddy up, you try to convince people through scum hunting etc not making silly alliances. SensFan tried to buddying up with Toast in post 227 and then later again with the Mason claim. Scum would want to make alliances so they have extra protection etc, town don't need to do this, so I was also suspicious of this.

SensFan has also been so convinced about people alignments. Town are never certain in this game unless you have a power role, which he probably doesn't as by lying about one already he wouldn't have the credibility to claim later so he wouldn't false claim earlier if he actually had one. Scum generally are 100% certain of peoples positions. SensFan has been pretty certain about where people stand. He was certain toast was town and aggressively pushint that view, it was early pre-game, town didn't need to defend toast like that he wasn't really pressured much and it was early pre-game, however, it looks good for scum if they defending him. SensFan also said he was absolutely positive that beck was scum which he shouldnt of been.

With all of this put together I find SensFan scummy so, I putting my vote on him.

[Cyberbob]

Ah ok, thank you for clarifying.

Btw Bob, can you give me thoughts on TS, Noramp, and Zeph?

literally got like a minute before I leave but:

this post from zepher is scummy, otherwise null/lurky
null on noramp
TS hasn't said jack shit except for Post 583, haven't decided whether his terrible reasonings are scummy yet or not

ok bye for now i'll be back later tonight

[SpyreX]

ITT: rblinker votes sensfan when by most of his own logic (sans Mason-gate) he should be voting me.

Also, how is "Beck=Town, Pine needs to eat a bullet (for reasons unspecified)" qualify as not taking sides or ignoring the dispute between Beck and I? Your bias betrays you.

Ignoring the POSTS genius.

I've already said Beck was town and you need to die.

I'm reiterating that all that needs to be taken from those posts is the affirmation of the above.

[Ranmaru]

VOTE:SensFan

Out of everyone I find SensFan the most likely scum. Most of his play has been anti town.

Town achieve nothing by false-claiming Mason, it doesn't get us anywhere by lying and it was a usually buddying up to try to convince people toast was town when he wasn't in danger, it was early pre-game. There's no town motivation for false-claiming and lying so I feel it scummy play.

SensFan has tried to buddy up during the game, theres no need for town to buddy up, you try to convince people through scum hunting etc not making silly alliances. SensFan tried to buddying up with Toast in post 227 and then later again with the Mason claim. Scum would want to make alliances so they have extra protection etc, town don't need to do this, so I was also suspicious of this.

SensFan has also been so convinced about people alignments. Town are never certain in this game unless you have a power role, which he probably doesn't as by lying about one already he wouldn't have the credibility to claim later so he wouldn't false claim earlier if he actually had one. Scum generally are 100% certain of peoples positions. SensFan has been pretty certain about where people stand. He was certain toast was town and aggressively pushint that view, it was early pre-game, town didn't need to defend toast like that he wasn't really pressured much and it was early pre-game, however, it looks good for scum if they defending him. SensFan also said he was absolutely positive that beck was scum which he shouldnt of been.

With all of this put together I find SensFan scummy so, I putting my vote on him.

What is the scum motivation of fake claiming mason?

Buddying is not a scum tell.

Confidence is not a scum tell.

[Pine]

Town achieve nothing by false-claiming Mason, it doesn't get us anywhere by lying and it was a usually buddying up to try to convince people toast was town when he wasn't in danger, it was early pre-game. There's no town motivation for false-claiming and lying so I feel it scummy play.

I wanted to correct this. There is a gambiting Town-motivation: If you have a very strong Town read, and you want to save them, you could claim Mason with them and hope that they go along with it.

Now, just because this motivation

exists

doesn't mean it is a

good

motivation, or that I would ever, ever consider actually doing it. And I certainly don't think that is what happened here.

Carry on.

PE: I already detailed the scum motivation of fakeclaiming Mason. Pay attention. It's an enormous WIFOM-bomb.

[Pine]

Umm, fakeclaiming Mason is the WIFOM bomb, not my post about it. Ahem.

[Ranmaru]

I wanted to hear why HE would think there there was a scum motivation in it. ;-; I am paying attention.

[Ranmaru]

Anyways, I agree that it can go either way.

[Pine]

I wanted to hear why HE would think there there was a scum motivation in it. ;-; I am paying attention.

Oh. Sorry for blowing up your spot.

[rblinker123]

Pine answered it already, it was In post 572 I think. But if you want to hear from me, to add onto it, like what pine said about people thinking scum would never do that, the motivation for scum to false claim Mason, would also be for protection, they hope that it would pass off, if it had of paid off and toast had went along, SensFan would have gained himself a shield. We would of though he was actually mason and he would of easily slipped passed.The scum motivation of false-claiming scum is for protection for him hopefully to last longer. But yeah, although I think it's pretty unlikely town could false claim, but they really don't need to if there town, and with the lying about it just makes it more suspicious.

Ran, it's overconfidence, town are never 100% certain and by thinking your 100% certain about someone leads to people blocking out alternatives which leads to stupid lynches. Scum are generally 100% certain

[Beck]

Ran let's make this clear

Lying - usually a scum tell, town doesn't need to lie. On exception, a gambit.

Buddying - usually a scum tell, town can't possibly know who else is scum, exception is if they are masons but nobody knows it.


@ blinker - who was Sens buddying exactly?

[Beck]

Shoukd say - Town can't know who else is town

[rblinker123]

Beck, he tried to buddy up with toast early on before the Mason claim. Then he did tried again, this time that was the Mason claim buddying himself with toast saying their both masons. Also, not some much this time but I think he tried to sort of buddy up with you, about jointing him to vote someone but asked you not to night kill him, I think it was along those lines. Although I didn't know whether that bit was a joke or not.

Im off to bed now speak later.

[Pine]

Hmm. Sens + Toast = Scum. Sens fakeclaims Mason to protect buddy, Toast goes WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING ARE YOU CRAZY YOU'LL GET US BOTH KILLED TAKE HIM INSTEAD.

Sens-Beck-Spyrex/Toast. It's a work in progress, eh.

[Noramp]

Beck You want examples, Bo, Spyrex, they havent exactly posted much and done much scum hunting and especially Noramp, who's posted little, and really hasn't scum hunted

Do you feel the three people you listed, me included, are scummy? or were you just listing people who you think would fit into the category you feel you are being placed into?

What are your opinions on people other than Sens, Ran and Spyrex?

Pine how do you feel about Spyrex's Death Squad idea?

Spyrex can you please clarify your death squad idea?

[Toast]

Hmm. Sens + Toast = Scum. Sens fakeclaims Mason to protect buddy, Toast goes WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING ARE YOU CRAZY YOU'LL GET US BOTH KILLED TAKE HIM INSTEAD.

So you're saying you would have played along?

[rblinker123]

Noramp, yeah those examples aren't about people being scummy, there were just other people who fitted into the category.

I'll talk tomorrow, it's 2:20 in the morning im tired.

[SpyreX]

Spyrex can you please clarify your death squad idea?

Well since they'e not listing and don't want to fast track to awesome it's moot but its exactly what you would think. Discussion, target, move like a sword of death. No quarter.

[Pine]

Hmm. Sens + Toast = Scum. Sens fakeclaims Mason to protect buddy, Toast goes WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING ARE YOU CRAZY YOU'LL GET US BOTH KILLED TAKE HIM INSTEAD.

So you're saying you would have played along?

No, I'm just speculating. That's how I would have reacted to a buddy doing that to me. More I think about it, the less plausible it looks.

[Beck]

spyrex, pretty sure you missed it but i'd like your reasoning on why your town reads are so strong on me and bob

[Pine]

@Noramp: I am always extremely wary of so-called "Town alliances". Because in my experience, they pretty much never are.