Neon Genesis Evangelion Mafia (Game Over)

[SpyreX]

Because if it ends up Kise flips Magi-Scummaker then you know who's done gonna be targetted?

Or, if you go Magi claim and no one claims welp.

[Kdub]

Day 2 - Vote Count #5

Amrun (0)

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Kawaii (0)

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GreyICE (0)

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Antifinity (1)

- Lady Lambdadelta

Candle Jack (0)

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populartajo (0)

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Iecerint (0)

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Nocmen (0)

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Surye (0)

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Celebloki (0)

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Starbuck (0)

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ace5993 (0)

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drewoftherushes (0)

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ZeL1nK (0)

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StevieT92 (0)

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GhostWriter (0)

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SpyreX (10)

- StevieT92, Candle Jack, Pomegranate, SpyreX, GreyICE, Nocmen, populartajo, drewoftherushes, LobsterCatapult, vollkan

Kast (0)

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vollkan (0)

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Pomegranate (0)

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LobsterCatapult (0)

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Lady Lambdadelta (0)

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No Lynch (0)

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Not Voting (11)

- Amrun, Kawaii, Antifinity, Iecerint, Surye, Celebloki, Starbuck, ace5993, ZeL1nK, GhostWriter, Kast

22 votes available, 12 votes needed to lynch

Deadline is July 30, ~ 11 pm PDT

[vollkan]

Because if it ends up Kise flips Magi-Scummaker then you know who's done gonna be targetted?

Because if Kast is a Magi-scummaker, obviously the best thing we could do is have the Magi-masons present themselves to Kast on a platter

Or, if you go Magi claim and no one claims welp.

Then we know they have been scummified. Either way, your plan ENSURES that they are scummified.

[SpyreX]

If Kast IS a Magi-Scummaker the scum WILL KNOW via CJ who they are come on now.

[ace5993]

Sorry guys I'm going to have to V/LA until the 16th, I thought I would have more time to play at camp but I don't even have time to follow the thread properly, let alone analyze it.

[vollkan]

If Kast IS a Magi-Scummaker the scum WILL KNOW via CJ who they are come on now.

Ugh... I hadn't thought that far ahead.

I guess balancewise that would explain the flavour alert.

[Iecerint]

Depends on whether CJ has private talk.

[LobsterCatapult]

What?

WHAT?

I could be infected and that could be what spawned all this.

However, AS OF RIGHT NOW, I am town and if I'm going to die I want to die AS TOWN and a.) let this get cleared out and b.) be town because I think we can win this.

im not sure who you are responding to with this. but. it may prove to be fruitful to go back, look over early d1, and see when spyrex was targetted (or if he is simply making it up, to see why he may have) and why it what may have triggered it. Even if this is all just some ruse by kast/cj/stevie whatever the fuck is going on, it should be a good idea to go back and look anyway for any motives with these three scenarios in mind.

the 3 scenarios:
1)spy was town, successfully recruited, is now scum, and outted by stevie and cj
2)spy is town, CJ is most likely scum(most probably recruited), kast likely(possible recruiter), stevie least likely(no idea).
3)spy has always been scum, need to look back for possible scum buddies (stevie?)

or scenario 4) spy is still in the process of being recruited...ive never played with a scum-recruiter before so im not sure if it would take that long to actually happen.

in scenario 2) im not sure if im more inclined to believe that kast is town, or kast is scum if cj turns out to be scum. scum setting kast up would be the smart play, and having a 1 shot day cop would make sense balance-wise with a recruiter involved.

if this seemed jumbled, sorry, im super tired. ill try to clarify this in the am.

[SpyreX]

Depends on whether CJ has private talk.

There is no scenario where CJ-scum can not communicate to the other scum how things sit short of a dayvig that isn't in play that kills him dead on the spot.

[Iecerint]

Well, if we're positing that CJ was recruited, I think there are definitely precedents where cult doesn't learn if their targets were successful, which would necessarily preclude private talk...

CJ's confirmation of the ability working in-thread actually fits with this version, given that he is scum and not mundanely empowered.

Unless you've noticed some reason why this possibility can't be in play?

[Iecerint]

SX, you never responded to my admittedly-vague inquiry about your "demons" PM.

[vollkan]

CJ's confirmation of the ability working in-thread actually fits with this version, given that he is scum and not mundanely empowered.

I don't understand this. You're saying that CJ confirming that Kast's ability worked makes him more likely to be scum?

[Iecerint]

No, this is what I'm saying:

1. If CJ is scum, he was almost certainly recruited last night.
2. When players are recruited, they sometimes are not able to communicate privately with the broader scumteam.
3. CJ confirming what happened in-thread fits with not being able to privately confirm that he was recruited successfully. (NB: It also fits with being town who was mundanely empowered.)

The relevance of this entire line of thought is whether the scum know who all the other mason Magi are given that CJ was recruited. If CJ can talk privately to the scum, he can tell the scum who the other Magi are. If not, he cannot, except via crumbs, etc.

[vollkan]

2. When players are recruited, they sometimes are not able to communicate privately with the broader scumteam.

I'm not after a huge meta-trawl, but how common is that?

[Iecerint]

I don't really know the cult meta on this site, so it's hard to say.

I've been in 2 games that had a cult -- a UPick run by Empking, where I was personally recruited and able to talk; and Of Gods and Men, where recruited players did not know who recruited them and could not communicate with the recruiter. So that would put it at 50%, but I don't claim to know much about the more general case.

I suspect that it's more likely to be play here because being able to tell about the other Mason partners would make the set-up very swingy in a very avoidable way (i.e. assuming that only the Magi are infectable).

[GreyICE]

What?

WHAT?

I could be infected and that could be what spawned all this.

However, AS OF RIGHT NOW, I am town and if I'm going to die I want to die AS TOWN and a.) let this get cleared out and b.) be town because I think we can win this.

So fight it goddamn you.

Seriously, look at Eva. Asuka took down 8 second generation Evas in her first generation model, in under a minute. Shinji didn't take down ONE with his super powered reactor implanted berserker suit. Hell, his suit was more effective at killing angels WHEN HE WASN'T PILOTING IT. That's why Asuka was the main character and Shinji died in episode 4 (THAT'S MY STORY AND I'M STICKING TO IT)

Kast caused CJ to claim
Kast gave CJ the "investigation"
Kast is responsible for this corruption

Kast is the source of all your woes. Lynch Kast with me. OR KEEP BEING A FUCKING SHINJI AND WHINING ABOUT HOW TOUGH YOU HAVE IT DAMMIT

[Iecerint]

The problem with that version of reality is that it proposes that Stevie and CJ and Kast (and soon SX) are all scum AFAICT.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You're al fucking idiots.

Who did CJ express a worry about yesterday? SpyreX.

Who is he likely to investigate? SpyreX.

If scum has some kind of framer ability, who would they frame? SpyreX.

Unvote; Vote: Stevie

[GreyICE]

The problem with that version of reality is that it proposes that Stevie and CJ and Kast (and soon SX) are all scum AFAICT.

This involves me lynching Kast. I'll work out the rest of the details later. Maybe Kast gave an insane cop investigation to CJ, or a paranoid cop investigation, and he's some sort of scum inventor.

This works, and Kast dies.

[Iecerint]

You're al fucking idiots.

Who did CJ express a worry about yesterday? SpyreX.

Who is he likely to investigate? SpyreX.

If scum has some kind of framer ability, who would they frame?

SpyreX.

Where the hell did that come from?

[Iecerint]

And CJ wasn't investigative until today, nor did he gambit as much AFAICR, so positing that scum uses CJ's feelings as a basis for hypothetical framer ability usage is crazy.

[GreyICE]

Yes, the sane theory is that Kast is scum inventor with 100% dud inventions to give out.

This might mean we have to lynch Stevie, but as much as that turn of events would distress me terribly, I could come around to it... okay, lets do it!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

CJ is a DAY COP.

Here are the facts.

1) Stevie says "I got a PM saying Spy is an angel".
2) CJ already has inhibitions about Spy
3) CJ was confirmed to live through the night and have a cop investigation the next day.

With this set of facts, it is HIGHLY likely that scum could have an ability to frame SpyreX. This whole "lolIgotapm" business is bogus. Stevie is likely aligned with the scum, and they told him to say this to save his own ass.

Besides, bulletproof is a scum claim. 1-shot Unlynchable BP? Not a chance in he'll.

[LobsterCatapult]

CJ is a DAY COP.

Here are the facts.

1) Stevie says "I got a PM saying Spy is an angel".
2) CJ already has inhibitions about Spy
3) CJ was confirmed to live through the night and have a cop investigation the next day.

With this set of facts, it is HIGHLY likely that scum could have an ability to frame SpyreX. This whole "lolIgotapm" business is bogus. Stevie is likely aligned with the scum, and they told him to say this to save his own ass.

Besides, bulletproof is a scum claim. 1-shot Unlynchable BP? Not a chance in he'll.

i missed the part when he said he was unlynchable...or oneshot unlynchable.

would a frame, though, last through the day?

to me, with this scenario, it would almost make more sense for Stevie to be town, and with a scum CJ doing the confirming. the PM could be bogus, but perhaps not fabricated by stevie, but the scum team used their ability on him. after this, scum CJ confirms with a false investigation on spyrex.

only thing that i think is weird is the one shot unlynchable....hmm...last time i played a game with a governor it ended up pretty wonky. idk ill have to think about all this.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Stevie, does your revive work on both lynchings and killings?

Yes it does CJ.