Mini 1203: Set's Speed Mafia - Game Over.

[Junpei]

I would have no other reason to soft claim if it wasn't for me asking that at that point in time. It is planning from the start, it was pregame. Beck was attacking him for bad reasons and he wasn't dropping it so I did that.

But the thing is that you showed no evidence of planning from the start. That is post 157 or something, why didn't you do anything prior?

[Ranmaru]

When I say 'planning from the start' I do not mean I planned it before joining the game. The idea came up to me during that time and THAT is near the start. Everything prior had nothing to do with gambits, because my WHOLE game is not based on gambits and I do think you have seen that.

[Beck]

I would have no other reason to soft claim if it wasn't for me asking that at that point in time. It is planning from the start, it was pregame. Beck was attacking him for bad reasons and he wasn't dropping it so I did that.

lol my reasons weren't bad

And the worst thing a person can do is refuse to scum hunt. Which he has done all game and CONTINUES to do now.

If his town meta is to be useless than I feel better about blacklisting him

[Ranmaru]

At the time your reasons weren't "Sensfan is being lazy"

It was "Sensfan is trying to look like town"

[Junpei]

To be fair Beck he can't scumhunt while we interrogate him, although I do see your point he hasn't been scumhunting for a long time it would seem.

Ranmaru you gave the impression "from the start" that it was before game you decided to softclaim. Pushing someone out of their comfort zone is good, although you go too far, I see what you were trying to do, but I still think that you may of slipped earlier, despite you doing a decent job using logic to repair the damage.

pedit: it was Sensfan is trying hard to look town but in a fake way.

[Beck]

When I say 'planning from the start' I do not mean I planned it before joining the game. The idea came up to me during that time and THAT is near the start. Everything prior had nothing to do with gambits, because my WHOLE game is not based on gambits and I do think you have seen that.

Seems like back peddaling to me

[Ranmaru]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 3#p3211293

@Toast: Well at the moment I can't do anything. I have to ask for an invite to a mafia private forum, but can't ask for one until my account is activated. I did see J beck posting in the invite thread. That's all I know. Why exactly did you vote Beck there tho?

Beck, again you seem to say you are worried about finding scum. This is why I asked you if you really thought Sensfan was scum. You seem to be attributing his insistence on not lying until the game starts, as a show to seem townie. Is it possible for a townie to also do this? How does what he did make him seem townish? Why would it automatically make Sensfan scum?

This was me asking about your reasoning for Sensfan being scum for telling you not to lie in pre-game. Although my and his gambits would beg to differ as to his early stance in the game.

[Beck]

My reason for him was not only trying to look town but being fake

I posted more reasons than that

[SensFan]

I would have no other reason to soft claim if it wasn't for me asking that at that point in time. It is planning from the start, it was pregame. Beck was attacking him for bad reasons and he wasn't dropping it so I did that.

lol my reasons weren't bad

And the worst thing a person can do is refuse to scum hunt. Which he has done all game and CONTINUES to do now.

If his town meta is to be useless than I feel better about blacklisting him

First you accuse me of throwing out too many Town/Scum reads without explaining them, and now you accuse me of not trying to decipher Town from Scum. Which is it, since it can't be both?

[Ranmaru]

To be fair Beck he can't scumhunt while we interrogate him, although I do see your point he hasn't been scumhunting for a long time it would seem.

Ranmaru you gave the impression "from the start" that it was before game you decided to softclaim. Pushing someone out of their comfort zone is good, although you go too far, I see what you were trying to do, but I still think that you may of slipped earlier, despite you doing a decent job using logic to repair the damage.

pedit: it was Sensfan is trying hard to look town but in a fake way.

No no I didn't even know I was confirmed for the game lol. It was a decision made in game. IF I wanted you guys to think I mean THAT I would have said I planned it before the game even started, which I never said. If I was vague I apologize.

I go too far? It was merely me messing up the gambit. Do you think this lines up with the rest of my play?

[Toast]

Holy hell, you really can't afford to miss any time in speed games can you.

Ok, so let me make sure I understand:

Sens claims tracker, he tracked beck, who targets jun
beck goes with it and claims tracker, but will not reveal who jun tracked

pressure is now on ranmaru for being ambiguous on how exactly he planned his daycop claim

is this right?

[Junpei]

I go too far? It was merely me messing up the gambit. Do you think this lines up with the rest of my play?

Was referring to Becks' play.

[Beck]

I would have no other reason to soft claim if it wasn't for me asking that at that point in time. It is planning from the start, it was pregame. Beck was attacking him for bad reasons and he wasn't dropping it so I did that.

lol my reasons weren't bad

And the worst thing a person can do is refuse to scum hunt. Which he has done all game and CONTINUES to do now.

If his town meta is to be useless than I feel better about blacklisting him

First you accuse me of throwing out too many Town/Scum reads without explaining them, and now you accuse me of not trying to decipher Town from Scum. Which is it, since it can't be both?

You declare people town that you can't possibly know
You declare people scum while refusing to explain why

That is what I have been saying all along, don't try and twist it.

Btw that's post number 2, 1 more and it's auto lynch time.

[SensFan]

oh well Noramp left.

Recall back to D1 when Sensfan tried to rush the Day. I had an 'inno' on him so why would he rush the Day if he was a TOWN pr?

Of course I wanted the Day rushed. Have you not noticed how other than the tiny stretch of D1 when you claimed an Inno on me, that half of the game has wanted to lynch me? I know I'm Town, and so I wanted to get out of D1 ASAP. I also wanted to set myself up to not be NK'd N1 (which I still think clears Spy, by the way), because I knew I had a confirmable role, which I have since used to confirm myself as a Tracker (in spite of Jun doing his very best to try and make it seem like there's any case where I'm not a Tracker).

[Junpei]

Holy hell, you really can't afford to miss any time in speed games can you.

Ok, so let me make sure I understand:

Sens claims tracker, he tracked beck, who targets jun
beck goes with it and claims tracker, but will not reveal who jun tracked

pressure is now on ranmaru for being ambiguous on how exactly he planned his daycop claim

is this right?

word, thats the jist of it

[Ranmaru]

Holy hell, you really can't afford to miss any time in speed games can you.

Ok, so let me make sure I understand:

Sens claims tracker, he tracked beck, who targets jun
beck goes with it and claims tracker, but will not reveal who jun tracked

pressure is now on ranmaru for being ambiguous on how exactly he planned his daycop claim

is this right?

Bob claimed a tracker out of no where as well, and I didn't like it.

And yes.

[SensFan]

I would have no other reason to soft claim if it wasn't for me asking that at that point in time. It is planning from the start, it was pregame. Beck was attacking him for bad reasons and he wasn't dropping it so I did that.

lol my reasons weren't bad

And the worst thing a person can do is refuse to scum hunt. Which he has done all game and CONTINUES to do now.

If his town meta is to be useless than I feel better about blacklisting him

First you accuse me of throwing out too many Town/Scum reads without explaining them, and now you accuse me of not trying to decipher Town from Scum. Which is it, since it can't be both?

You declare people town that you can't possibly know
You declare people scum while refusing to explain why

That is what I have been saying all along, don't try and twist it.

Btw that's post number 2, 1 more and it's auto lynch time.

If I'm giving out too many unsubstantiated reads, then by definition I'm scumhunting. You can't have it both ways.

And I told you in my first post that I'm not caving in. Go ahead and waste the next 12-24 hours on a failed SensWagon if you want to, but do it quick. We need to leave time for the actual wagon that we're going to lynch someone later on.

[SensFan]

Holy hell, you really can't afford to miss any time in speed games can you.

Ok, so let me make sure I understand:

Sens claims tracker, he tracked beck, who targets jun
beck goes with it and claims tracker, but will not reveal who jun tracked

pressure is now on ranmaru for being ambiguous on how exactly he planned his daycop claim

is this right?

Bob claimed a tracker out of no where as well, and I didn't like it.

And yes.

Bob claimed Tracker to support my claim. Makes perfect sense.

[Junpei]

oh well Noramp left.

Recall back to D1 when Sensfan tried to rush the Day. I had an 'inno' on him so why would he rush the Day if he was a TOWN pr?

Of course I wanted the Day rushed. Have you not noticed how other than the tiny stretch of D1 when you claimed an Inno on me, that half of the game has wanted to lynch me? I know I'm Town, and so I wanted to get out of D1 ASAP. I also wanted to set myself up to not be NK'd N1 (which I still think clears Spy, by the way), because I knew I had a confirmable role, which I have since used to confirm myself as a Tracker

(in spite of Jun doing his very best to try and make it seem like there's any case where I'm not a Tracker)

.

I didn't try that hard, about 5 seconds of basic thought is all it took, anyone could see that you aren't clear. You're too thickheaded to see past your own eyelids.

[Ranmaru]

oh well Noramp left.

Recall back to D1 when Sensfan tried to rush the Day. I had an 'inno' on him so why would he rush the Day if he was a TOWN pr?

Of course I wanted the Day rushed. Have you not noticed how other than the tiny stretch of D1 when you claimed an Inno on me, that half of the game has wanted to lynch me? I know I'm Town, and so I wanted to get out of D1 ASAP. I also wanted to set myself up to not be NK'd N1 (which I still think clears Spy, by the way), because I knew I had a confirmable role, which I have since used to confirm myself as a Tracker (in spite of Jun doing his very best to try and make it seem like there's any case where I'm not a Tracker).

What's worse is that you didn't even full claim, we don't know if you guessed or not. You still stopped Beck from doing his thing and I disliked that very much because he could have cleared another if he was scum or something.


Also bad is that Beck confirmed his role too quickly...

[SensFan]

oh well Noramp left.

Recall back to D1 when Sensfan tried to rush the Day. I had an 'inno' on him so why would he rush the Day if he was a TOWN pr?

Of course I wanted the Day rushed. Have you not noticed how other than the tiny stretch of D1 when you claimed an Inno on me, that half of the game has wanted to lynch me? I know I'm Town, and so I wanted to get out of D1 ASAP. I also wanted to set myself up to not be NK'd N1 (which I still think clears Spy, by the way), because I knew I had a confirmable role, which I have since used to confirm myself as a Tracker

(in spite of Jun doing his very best to try and make it seem like there's any case where I'm not a Tracker)

.

I didn't try that hard, about 5 seconds of basic thought is all it took, anyone could see that you aren't clear. You're too thickheaded to see past your own eyelids.

I'm not confirmed Town. I'm confirmed Tracker. That's not up for debate. Thank you, try again.

[Beck]

vote: Sens

Going home now

[Ranmaru]

Bob didn't even give his results yet.

[SensFan]

oh well Noramp left.

Recall back to D1 when Sensfan tried to rush the Day. I had an 'inno' on him so why would he rush the Day if he was a TOWN pr?

Of course I wanted the Day rushed. Have you not noticed how other than the tiny stretch of D1 when you claimed an Inno on me, that half of the game has wanted to lynch me? I know I'm Town, and so I wanted to get out of D1 ASAP. I also wanted to set myself up to not be NK'd N1 (which I still think clears Spy, by the way), because I knew I had a confirmable role, which I have since used to confirm myself as a Tracker (in spite of Jun doing his very best to try and make it seem like there's any case where I'm not a Tracker).

What's worse is that you didn't even full claim, we don't know if you guessed or not. You still stopped Beck from doing his thing and I disliked that very much because he could have cleared another if he was scum or something.


Also bad is that Beck confirmed his role too quickly...

Bullshit. I fullclaimed that Beck targeted Jun before he said anything about being a Tracker, and I told him he was a PR before he made any hint of it. Call me a Mafia Tracker if you want to, but I'm confirmed as a motherfucking Tracker.

[SensFan]

Bob didn't even give his results yet.

Read the fucking thread. Bob didn't have an action last night.