NY136: The Death of ReaperCharlie (GAME OVER, Town win!)

Iecerint · Post Post #1100 (ISO) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:40 pm

In an airport in Chicago. Will probably not be able to make a serious post until tomorrow.

Amrun · Post Post #1101 (ISO) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:45 pm

VC3.2

(0) DemonHybrid
(1) Pine - Shanba
(0) mastin2
(0) Iecerint
(3) Killerjester - mastin2, Hydra, CrashTextDummie
(0) CrashTextDummie
(0) MrBuddyLee
(0) Yosarian2
(3) Shanba - killerjester, ToastyToast, DemonHybrid
(0) Hydra
(0) ToastyToast

Not Voting: Pine, Iecerint, MrBuddyLee, Yosarian2

V/LA: Yosarian2

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline: Wednesday, August 2, 11:30am EST

Spoiler: Vote History

If there are any mistakes, please let me know.

Seeking a replacement for Pine.

DemonHybrid · Post Post #1102 (ISO) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:59 pm

I'm kind of wondering why Shanba isn't strung up like a christmas ornament at this point, still.

Amrun · Post Post #1103 (ISO) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 5:01 am

Breaking Announcement!!

We have an offer from someone in jasonT1981's TV Mafia Game, found here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=18300

He will replace Pine in this game if someone replaces Pine in THAT game. If I don't hear from one of you within 24 hours, I will replace there myself, but in all honesty, doing this will make the rest of my games suffer right when I was just starting to recover. I will do it, for the sake of this game, but if any of you are otherwise interested in that game, I won't have to. Let me know!

Also, deadline is extended until 48 hours after the replacement first posts.

Amrun · Post Post #1104 (ISO) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:39 am

Someone else filled the slot in jason's game, so now we're just waiting to see if David Xanatos still wants to replace here...

David Xanatos · Post Post #1105 (ISO) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 7:02 am

Wait no longer.

Give me a while to catch up. Will need to take a look at the situation (Particularly the current wagons, since we're coming relatively close to the deadline..).

David Xanatos · Post Post #1106 (ISO) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 7:05 am

Just to aid me in getting up to speed, can someone summarise the cases on Killerjester and Shanba?

David Xanatos · Post Post #1107 (ISO) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 7:46 am

Not to sound OMGUSy, but I don't see any solid reasoning behind Shanba's vote on this slot.

You cite Ythan's Hydra argument on D1 as a reason.. but I see it as fairly reasonable. I've got admittedly little experience with Hydras, but the fact they cross-post is enough reason to want them to identify themselves.. frankly, and I've made this point before, I think hydras go rather against the concept. It's like being given a free neighbour, but only having a vote between you.. as Scum they can simply use "otherhead" arguments to throw off some of the heat for openly backtracking..

Regardless, that's beside the point..

You raise earworm's defense of Parama as another apparent "Scummy" thing. But there was no defense. He asked someone to explain a vote that had no obvious reasoning behind it.. (Even I can't see it having spent some time on the ISOs to see if I could trace it.. I'm inclined to agree it seems rather random..)

And Pine made a grand total of.. 3 posts. All three of which promised to catch up, in one way or another.. two of which were prods, one was his entrance post..

And yet.. I don't find you particularly scummy.. just someone trying to deflect suspicion away from yourself with a potential lurker lynch.

Also, I'm curious.. how did people come to the conclusion that there's an SK? There looks to be a poisoner (Although I've never seen a poisoner who takes instant action..) and a Mafia NK, given the lack of a second NK N2, why are people thinking SK over Vig?

Amrun · Post Post #1108 (ISO) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 8:52 am

Aaaand we are full. Deadline moved to August 3rd. Is that enough time, David?

ToastyToast · Post Post #1109 (ISO) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 9:57 am

@Xanatos: Because we already have a vig (Iecrint).

mastin2 · Post Post #1110 (ISO) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:07 am

^What he said.
Plus, look at the nature of those kills, and the players behind them. PBuG *might* have come from a pro-town player working by process of elimination (like I did), but PJ was widely considered obv-town by pretty much everyone and therefore was a horrendously bad 'vig' kill.

killerjester · Post Post #1111 (ISO) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:02 pm

Yea, PJ's death convinced me the instant poisoner is an anti-town force, and more or less an SK.

Iecerint, can we still expect a post from you?

David Xanatos · Post Post #1112 (ISO) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 2:24 pm

Fair enough, I suppose a mafia isntant poisoner likely wouldn't be multishot, so SK seems more likely..

Has anyone else claimed, apart from Ice?

Hydra · Post Post #1113 (ISO) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 5:40 pm

Killer wrote:And can you explain a bit better what Shanba abstaining from my wagon implicates? I didn't quite put two and two together myself.

Before Shanba voted, both your wagons were tied with three votes, with you voting him and him not voting you. Now, many times I have seen scum place a vote on the other leading wagon opposing theirs to push it forward and closer to lynch, but instead, he went off and voted someone else with no votes on them at all. Its enough of a reason to make me prefer staying on your wagon which I believe the strongest in as opposed to anything to the contrary.

If that makes sense.

Hydra · Post Post #1114 (ISO) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 5:41 pm

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH

Game needs more activity here.

mastin2 · Post Post #1115 (ISO) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:04 pm

Votecount?

David Xanatos · Post Post #1116 (ISO) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:11 pm

Votes are unchanged.. there's a VC on this page..

Hydra > That is so full of WIFOM to the point that, ironically, it could impersonate an opera singer.

He went after an inactive slot with reasoning that could only be described as sparse at best, as I stated before, that could easily be simply trying to deflect suspicion onto a softer target by going "look guys, lurkers!".

mastin2 · Post Post #1117 (ISO) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:15 pm

Unvote, vote: Shanba

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More support, apparently. (Note that if there's another person who votes KJ and/or anyone on the Shanba wagon unvotes, I'm moving it back.)

killerjester · Post Post #1118 (ISO) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:39 pm

David Xanatos wrote:Hydra > That is so full of WIFOM to the point that, ironically, it could impersonate an opera singer.

He went after an inactive slot with reasoning that could only be described as sparse at best, as I stated before, that could easily be simply trying to deflect suspicion onto a softer target by going "look guys, lurkers!".

I don't think he was saying it's necessarily a town-tell, just that his vote wouldn't change unless Shanba did something blatantly scummy such as voting me to put my wagon up higher. No need to pull out the WIFOM on us. That said, I do agree Shanba is harboring his vote a little - it could be deflection. So Shanba, I'd like to see you do something now that Pine has been replaced. Do you find a better place for your vote, or reaffirm that it belongs on David X's slot?

Footnote for David of claims! Toasty and DemonHybrid are both neighbors. Mastin claimed mod-confirmed VT. And he has been mod-confirmed. Iecerint claims Vig, with no kill N2.

DemonHybrid · Post Post #1119 (ISO) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:39 pm

David Xanatos wrote:Votes are unchanged.. there's a VC on this page..

Hydra > That is so full of WIFOM to the point that, ironically, it could impersonate an opera singer.

He went after an inactive slot with reasoning that could only be described as sparse at best, as I stated before, that could easily be simply trying to deflect suspicion onto a softer target by going "look guys, lurkers!".

I like this David Xanatos guy. Come over and meet my family sometime, we can play a board game and eat some cake.

Iecerint · Post Post #1120 (ISO) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:47 pm

I slept for 24 hours+ after traveling, then went out with friends and am tired again. 12 hour jetlag hurts.

David Xanatos · Post Post #1121 (ISO) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:54 pm

Two things I'd like to raise:

Hydra > What're your reasons for voting KJ? You promised "brilliance" and "awesomeness" and have delivered... a vague poke and what looks like ADD.

Seriously. You don't get to post 4 times in 4 days and then whine there's not enough thread activity. Especially when you still haven't delivered the promised case, and repeatedly use words like "definitely" without knowing how to spell them. (Yes, it's petty, but it really, really annoys me. A typo is fine, spelling it wrong twice in one post is not.)

Mastin > I don't see your case on KJ. I literally don't see it. You haven't made one. Care to explain? You also seem to have no reasoning on Shanba. At all. You claim he's defending two people that weren't on your "god-given scum axis" of Yos, Parama, Saporo and Shanba, namely Hydra and Demon. I rather dislike the implications here.. because it reads as mild to moderate cognitive dissonance.

However, after reading further into this, most of my thoughts on Shanba seeming townish are evaporating... don't want to throw a vote down just yet, as I know for a fact I'll have missed something and I'd rather not see a quick/selfhammer.

David Xanatos · Post Post #1122 (ISO) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:56 pm

Also, to address KJ, voting you wouldn't be blatantly scummy by any means.

The only person you KNOW is town is yourself, therefore, a lynch on anyone other than a confirmed townie is preferable to a lynch on yourself.

Iecerint · Post Post #1123 (ISO) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 7:03 pm

DX wrote:Seriously. You don't get to post 4 times in 4 days and then whine there's not enough thread activity. Especially when you still haven't delivered the promised case, and repeatedly use words like "definitely" without knowing how to spell them. (Yes, it's petty, but it really, really annoys me. A typo is fine, spelling it wrong twice in one post is not.)

I do not see how either of these points make sense. Active people are EXACTLY the people who have license to complain about others' activity. I guess you at least recognize that the spelling issue is nothing.

DX wrote:Mastin > I don't see your case on KJ. I literally don't see it. You haven't made one. Care to explain? You also seem to have no reasoning on Shanba. At all. You claim he's defending two people that weren't on your "god-given scum axis" of Yos, Parama, Saporo and Shanba, namely Hydra and Demon. I rather dislike the implications here.. because it reads as mild to moderate cognitive dissonance.

Mastin is confirmed town.

David Xanatos · Post Post #1124 (ISO) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 7:08 pm

"Mastin is confirmed town"

I asked him to explain. I didn't shout "Scum". Can you please tell me how knowing he's town excuses the apparently lack of logic? :3

And 4 times in 4 days is note "active", it's not "inactive" but it's not exactly propelling the game forward.

And definitely not enough to post things like #1114.