NY136: The Death of ReaperCharlie (GAME OVER, Town win!)

[David Xanatos]

And Iece, Ythan never claimed to be bored. Read his post. Misrepresenting much?

[David Xanatos]

I'm gonna duck out. Heavy workload and I only intended to be playing a single newbie at this time.

[ToastyToast]

Your guilty was on N1...Your slot should've immediately revealed itself D2, which lasted a LONG time.

Well, if Xanatos is telling the truth, then there is probably a rolecop (that would explain targeting you for a roleblock).

[ToastyToast]

Well I have a feeling all the town PR's have been revealed. Should a mass claim take place?

[Iecerint]

Oh. Maybe I'm confusing it with something else.

[David Xanatos]

I can't see Scum having a RC and RB though.. and I can't justify JK because Alien is already down..

In honesty, I'm not even sure about the Doc claim, because of the Alien claim.. but it's more feasible than a JK.

[MrBuddyLee]

Ha. Did you really decide overnight that I was the best choice for a mislynch? Ain't happening.

vote: Xanatos

[David Xanatos]

Claim. Right now.

You want to accuse me of lying, claim your role, and I'll reveal full details of my own.

[David Xanatos]

To everyone else:

If I were Scum, why would I do this? What motive would I have to fake-claim right now, openly, when it's most likely not Mylo (We are 8, if there were 4 scum originally, there are now 3, barring 2 shots in the night, there would be 6, and I'd be lynched tomorrow instantly. If there were 3 scum originally, there are now 2, which would mean it would become either 2/7 in the night, becoming 2/6 after the shot, or 2/5 if there are two shots, then immediately 1/5 or 1/4 because I'd be insta-lynched.)

What gain would there possibly be here for me?

[Hydra]

I also have a guilty read on MBL from a previous night. (N1 to be exact. N2 Pine didn't submit an action.. I'll never understand inactive PRs..)

There is no way this this hydra believe this is true.

For one thing, busting this read out at potentially lynch or lose, assuming four scum, and I did notice how you try and subtly (or not so, heh) paint this as

not

lynch or lose

I'd be inclined to think 3+SK.

is very suspect in and of itself.

If you had such an awesome report, your slot

would

have claimed it on day two, or day three, or you persnoally as soon as you got into the game, and not sat on it.

There was no guarentee of a anti-town lynch at all yesterday, in fact of the two dueling wagons one flipped town and had the probabilty of being mislynched while you sat on an

apparent guilty result.

That is not something town does.

I'm very confident this was a scum gambit to win the game.

Vote: David X

[DemonHybrid]

Hey, at least MBL's our odd man out.

DX, Yosarian, Hydra if we are 3:5.

[Hydra]

If I were Scum, why would I do this? What motive would I have to fake-claim right now, openly, when it's most likely not Mylo (We are 8, if there were 4 scum originally, there are now 3, barring 2 shots in the night, there would be 6, and I'd be lynched tomorrow instantly. If there were 3 scum originally, there are now 2, which would mean it would become either 2/7 in the night, becoming 2/6 after the shot, or 2/5 if there are two shots, then immediately 1/5 or 1/4 because I'd be insta-lynched.)

WOOSH

To win the game.

For one, if it is mislynch and lose, town has the possibilty, to you know, LOSE THE GAME.

If there were four scum orginially there are now three, making this 5:3 and mylo.

You want to accuse me of lying, claim your role, and I'll reveal full details of my own.

What the F? You already revealed "full details of your cop report", what else is there to reveal thats so sudden and cool you didn't claim with your 'guilty'

[David Xanatos]

Hydra. As I said, I was about to claim when KJ was counter-claimed.

Even if there were 4 scum, this isn't LyLo, or even MyLo, unless there are 2 shots in the night. Do the fecking math.

And I pointed out MBL yesterday too. Slight breadcrumbing before I went to bed in case of a lynch during the night.

You want full details?

Fine. I'll post the entire draft from yesterday. Give me a second.

[David Xanatos]

With this new information.. I feel justified in this.

MBL has a gun.

I am Town Gunsmith. I investigated MBL night one, and noone night two. (Inactive PRs.. I will never understand them. ¬_¬)

As Gunsmith, I get a Guilty verdict on anyone who owns a gun.

Take note Mr Serial Killer. I am not able to determine your role or alignment.

MBL investigated as guilty. So yeah. KJ, I'd request your protection tonight if you will.


Those Avoiding Fat Ladies (Still Alive) (11/18)

1. DemonHybrid - Neighbour. Likely Town.
2. David Xanatos - Town Gunsmith.
3. mastin2 - Confirmed Townie.
4. Iecerint - Town Vig claim.
5. killerjester - Town Doc claim.
8. CrashTextDummie - Unknown.
11. MrBuddyLee - Owns a Gun. Likely Scum.
13. Yosarian2 - Unknown.
14. Shanba - Unknown.
16. Hydra - Unknown.
18. ToastyToast - Neighbour. Likely Town too.. barring bastardmoddery.

We have 4 unknowns. 6 if you include the Neighbours.

If we assume 2 living Scum (Reasonable estimation I think after MBL, assuming 20% scum) then we have a 50-50 chance of hitting Scum, if excluding the neighbours.

8. CrashTextDummie - Unknown.
13. Yosarian2 - Unknown.
14. Shanba - Unknown.
16. Hydra - Unknown.

That means only 2/4 of these is likely Town, barring fakeclaims.. (Most likely fake-claim would be Ice, in my opinion. Assassin could pass for Vig.. if we have a Doc, there could easily be an assassin or RB, probably not both. Either that or one of the neighbours could be Scum too.)

My head says we should lynch MBL today, on the chance he's Scum PR, Ice, Vig someone on that list, but call it before you do. If you have a dayshot, vig MBL, and we'll lynch Shanba, since most people seem to have Scum reads on her anyway.

[DemonHybrid]

NOPE

UNVOTE

YOU ARENT THE FUCK OFF MY LIST BUT I NEED TIME TO THINK AS TO WHETHER YOU COULD REALLY BE THAT FUCKING CARELESS AS TOWN OR ARE JUST SCUM TRYING TO SAVE HIS OWN ASS

I WILL SLEEP ON THIS SHIT AND I HATE YOU

[David Xanatos]

Careless? By NOT exposing myself after there was a Doc counterclaim?

If I had revealed myself, I'd have been NKed almost instantly I presume, and Town would have had to decide whether to lynch KJ for his counter-claimed Doc or MBL for my guilty read. This way, I got a second shot at a read, and I targetted Yos. I've all but dismissed the possibility of a JK, although if there is one, now's the time to claim, and I doubt there's a bus driver. So we're looking at either Scrambler, or Roleblocker.

[ToastyToast]

wait...KJ is deaD and flipped SK. wut u talkin about. LOL at suggesting i'm more likely a second scum neighbor than DH, btw.

1)Your theory is such a huge threat and suggests that town has absolutely no power. Whats more likely? That town has the typical investigative, killing, protect setup or has an assassin and 2 investigative roles?
2) gunsmith doesn't automatically mean guilty. For example, a gunsmith will inevitably get a guilty on a vig (aka iecrint is not an assassin) and no guilty on an SK/a single member of the scum team for balancing purposes.
3)What the hell is a scrambler?

[David Xanatos]

Toast, I wasn't suggesting either of you were second scum. I was saying that, barring bastardmoddery, the chance of 2/3 of the neighbours being Scum was slim.

And as I also said, that was a saved Draft I had from before KJ was counterclaimed.

Link removed by mod. Warning issued: no screenshots, please.

1) No, we had a tracker, an Alien, and we have a CLAIMED Doc, Vig and Gunsmith.

2) No, which is why I was demanding a claim from MBL. That's up **** creek now.

3) Role I've came across once. Messes with all night actions from and to a target, can roleblock and redirect, randomly or mod's discretion. Typically 1-2 shot, but it did cross my mind.

[David Xanatos]

To expand on 2:

That's why I also made a comment about realising why the SK used poison. MBL didn't counterclaim Vig, so I'm 97.5% sure he's Scum.

[MrBuddyLee]

Ok. Xanatos is scum. He needs four more votes to get his desired mislynch. Good luck with that. I'm guessing the scumteam went with a gambit today because their odds of lynching town didn't look good, and because they're running out of options. They picked the wrong person to mess with.

Yos pretty much has to be X's scumpartner at this point. If Yos was town, I'm pretty sure X would have claimed his fake result on Yos instead of on me, or just pushed for a Yos lynch instead of a MBL lynch today without bothering to risk the fakeclaim. The fakeclaim play is actually probably optimal coming from a Yos+X scumteam--they saw the lynch+vig writing on the wall and went proactive.

They don't appear to have mentioned each other yesterday. In fact, here's part of the post Xanatos claims to have held back on yesterday:

8.

CrashTextDummie

- Unknown.
13.

Yosarian2

- Unknown.
14.

Shanba

- Unknown.
16.

Hydra

- Unknown.

Here are Xanatos's only attacks yesterday:

Hydra

> What're your reasons for voting KJ? You promised "brilliance" and "awesomeness" and have delivered... a vague poke and what looks like ADD.

Seriously. You don't get to post 4 times in 4 days and then whine there's not enough thread activity. Especially when you still haven't delivered the promised case, and repeatedly use words like "definitely" without knowing how to spell them.

And the main thing was the direct contrast between

Shanba

's first post, attempting to call someone out for "parking his vote", and then going on to park his vote on saporo, then do the same on Yos, and then again on Pine... at first I read him as Town trying to start a policy lynch wagon, but when I noticed that pattern, it went straight out the window.. Because if he's Scum, as I believe he is, it's in his interests to restrict the information Town can acquire before the Night phase. Scum are the informed minority, the less information Town can put together, the easier it is for the Scum team.

There'll be more pressure on

CTD

with a Shanba flip. He claimed Shanba was scummy repeatedly, and even goes so far as to say he fits as a Parama buddy, then drops everything in favour of a case on KJ built, from what I can see, entirely on the fact KJ speculated about the SK. Coupled with saying the Shanba wagon "has merit", and apparently believing that a Doc claim should be ignored over moving to your second suspect.. I don't like it either, but we'll know a lot more from a flip.

And on Yos and MBL, nothing:

Yos

, you willing to hammer Shanba?

I find

MBL

's reads rather interesting..

That's it.

Makes cases on three of his "unknowns" but ignores the other two unknowns.

Lets someone he says is a townie get run up to L-1:

KJ I'm leaning townish, but will need to look over his predecessor.

And doesn't claim a result, makes no case of any kind, doesn't even whisper a passing suspicion of the person he claims a guilty on?

Bitch, please.

[David Xanatos]

At that point I was considering CTD as your partner. In his ISO he states:

"MBL remains a strong town-read. Posts like this or this fit the town-meta I have of him to a tee. Observant, inquisitive, level-headed. I'll buy a hat and eat it if he's scum."

And I found your reads interesting as apparently you considered Toasty, Demon and Hydra far scummier than Iece, a claimed Vig, who you apparently considered just short of the CONFIRMED town.

And you keep referring to the fact I "didn't claim a result" on you before. Guess what, that makes me one giant fucking target. Common sense. Use it. Why put myself in the spotlight when there was someone I was heavily suspicious of (Shanba) close to a lynch over someone I didn't consider Scummy (KJ)? You'd rather I exposed you yesterday so you knew exactly who to target in the night?

[David Xanatos]

In addition, what you claim as an "attack" on Hydra was far from an attack. It was a prod, to get his reasons.

If I was Scum as you claim, why would I defend KJ, who was a heavy suspect for many people, in favour of Shanba? Why would I unvote Shanba to stop a potential quicklynch, and why would I hold back, waiting for CTD's protection details that may be able to be confirmed by Iece (Given he apparently didn't shoot N2, or was blocked, possibly by CTD)?

[David Xanatos]

Oh, and since you appear to have your head shoved firmly up your arse. Those "unknown"s refer to ROLE. Good attempt at misrepresenting them as reads though.

[DemonHybrid]

okay

you know what we should do

Vote: Yosarian

If this guy is scum, we will lynch the fuck out of David for lying about being roleblocked and then we'll know 100%. Cool? Cool.

[David Xanatos]

How exactly does Yos flipping prove or disprove my being roleblocked? I don't follow.