NY135: Sexy Sedilla Semi-Open - Town Wins
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Hiraki I see as slightly scummy just for his general attitude towards the game . I have Hikari and Spyrex as possible scum buddies because of their relative lack of communication yet continual support from Spyrex. Also, Hikari seems to be pretty much following along what other people say. He unvoted me after Ythan proposed a plausible statement of "implausible" as well as changed his mind when Idher said he believed Swag. He seems to act too flippy floppy and I would not mind a lynch on either him or Spyrex.
Ythan... I don't even know how to read. I am completely stumped. He seems mainly interested in arguing rather than the reason for arguing. I'll put him as town, but his dumb mason test makes it sound really scummy. Why would another town want masons to softclaim?
Parablocks I have as a town. 126 indicates that he cares about not being mislynched. At the early in the game, I don't think a scum would really care that someone started to /lean/ towards them. He shrugged when the pressure was put onto him and didn't really give adequate reasons for voting me other than saying my actions were unnecessary.
Sorry this took so long write up. I'm new at this and I hadn't really been paying attention to the thread.-
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Knight of Cydonia wrote:Îdher wrote:You should probably re-evaluate that KoC townread.
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You should probably come up with some kind of reasoning behind this.
Being in a hydra doesn't mean you get to throw shit around without explaining yourself.
Ya, Idher. Most of your posts aren't really contributing to anything, especially your random vote on Quilford which I assume is from Ethos's list.
The only reason I can come up with for your lack of substance is that you have a QT with someone else (other than your hydra partner).
Hiraki wrote:394 sounds a bit...
slippery.
Why? Unless you think Para and Ethos are scum buddies, which would be risky for Ethos/Para to make a post like considering considering how much pressure *both* of them have received.
I still can't believe how many problems came as a result of one of my posts.-
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Oversoul, those in glass houses throw the most stones. (Hint: give actual content before criticizing others' style of play.)
You thnk I don't realize this? I am trying to contribute something, but I am still *very* bad at this game. I am clearly in the company of people who have played this game and know all the in's 'n' out's as well as the nuances of this particular setup. I know it seems hypocritical, especially for someone in my position, to ask people to post more, but I don't do it out of malice. I am sorry if the tone of my post came out as harsh. I didn't mean it to be that way.
Oversoul #268 is [goodposting], I wonder whose alt you are...
Why don't you believe that I am an actual noob?
Unvote Since Para is getting a replacement, we feel like replacement deserves a chance.
Chair, if you thought Para's slot was scum based on his play, why would you unvote? For the sanctity of the replacement? That doesn't sound like very townie behavior. I may be a noob, but I am pretty sure the objective of this game is to defeat all of the Mafia. Why give them a chance to cover their bases and readjust, unless you, like Ethos, feel that Para's /replace is out of frustration.
Both of which deserve a call out - but, not from a scum trying to blend. And, and when everyone went "Ohh no these pages are just Ethos and Ythan duking it out" he went "no, no its not." because it isn't. This is paying attention and pretty solid town.
Umm what? When other town players are calling out the Hydras and the V/LA absence, wouldn't that be an action a scum would want to do? Or are you saying because he didn't parrot what other people said and instead went his own way, he was not acting scummy? And the duking out part was just me.
Quilford:
This feels like a false dilemma. (For the newer players here, a "false dillema" is when a person says "either person A is scum, or person B is scum" when there's no reason for that assumption. It's a common scum tactic, since if scum like to keep two townies at each other's throats, and since if the town buys it, they first mislynch one and then when that guy flips town they to mislynch the other one the "one or the other has to be scum" theory.)
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Yosarian2 wrote:SpyreX wrote:Yos:
IF that is the case, then what do you make of Ethos very clearly giving a pat on the back in a "you're not a VI" way?
Still not sure what you mean, Spyrex. What post of Ethos are you talking about?
The one after Para lost it and called everyone dense.
I'll try to find it for you...
Ethos wrote:Hey bud, Unvote first. Also don't leave the site you're a good player, probably right and town, which is why the bandwagon is on you.
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If you think about Ethos's actions as scummy McScummerson then you can "create" a plausible reason why he is defending Para. He "claims" to not want to end the day phase in 3 days because it won't actually be good for the town since it will end with a town lynch and he also tries to comfort his "scumbuddy" telling him to stay and play since he has hopefully ended the early lynch wagon with his earlier plea.
I can see the scumminess of his actions, but why would he support my position as town, going as far to get into a pissing contest? Because it is clearly obvious that I am town and anyone refuting that would look scummy? :\ I still find it hard to believe that Ethos is scum.
Spyrex says one or the other is scum (Ethos/Para), but Ythan claims that they are both scum and yet he doesn't specify which one would be a better candidate.
I also think that Ythan has more information than just reads...
Spryex, you honestly have me stumped, buddy. I am going to try and ISO your posts later. That is, if I learn how to ISO posts. Is there any specific forum function I should use to make my job easier?-
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Ythan wrote:Oversoul wrote:Ythan wrote:Oversoul wrote:I also think that Ythan has more information than just reads...
This is a weird thing to say considering we know all the roles that can appear in this game.
Ya, but we don't know who has what, Benedict.
Except none of the roles present in the game could inform my suspicion, genius.
You sure?
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Ya... I just read a definition that said sheeping is voting for someone with minimal thought and/or effort. Why would he be worrying about sheeping? To avoid looking scummy? Why would that matter at this point when Ethos/Yos are more than likely going to be lynched (unfortunately )?
That just sounds a little fishy, Emp.
Pedit: Oh, Spyrex's definition makes more sense in this case.
Pedit2: @Ythan Sure. I don't care really.-
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saporovirus wrote:Ythan wrote:You were trying to get at something but it comes off as you haven't read the roles.
Not necessarily.
Empking is Empkinging.
I don't know if this a veiled attempt at mocking me, but I am going to assume it isn't.
Ythan, I am getting at something and I have read the roles (although rather poorly as Reckoner can attest for ). I would rather not share until after the first night to see if any certain situations change.-
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SpyreX wrote:Don't forget - it also had that morsel of "this is happening because you're right this game".
If you're looking at your slot as a VI (and like I said it would take stones to call yourself out as scum) and Ethos is treating it as anything but can't you see the disconnect.
I'm scum.
Is Ethos's defense of Yos/Para the only reason you think he is scum, Emp?-
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Yosarian2 wrote:Oversoul wrote:SpyreX wrote:Don't forget - it also had that morsel of "this is happening because you're right this game".
If you're looking at your slot as a VI (and like I said it would take stones to call yourself out as scum) and Ethos is treating it as anything but can't you see the disconnect.
I'm scum.
Is Ethos's defense of Yos/Para the only reason you think he is scum, Emp?
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Um.
Did you just claim scum, Overlord?
First, it is Oversoul.
And no. It was a joke. See the post I quoted.-
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Knight of Cydonia wrote:Oversoul wrote:Ok. I just wanted to call you out incase you were trying to lurk and coast through out the game.
Erm... what?
Proper course of action: Call someone out for lurking -> they don't post anything of substance -> continue to call them out for coasting
Oversoul: Call someone out for lurking -> they don't post anything of substance ->CARRY ON!
Yeah, no.
I'm new. This is literally the first game that I was able to play. Jesus for not knowing the proper procedure.
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Ythan wrote:Oversoul wrote:saporovirus wrote:Ythan wrote:You were trying to get at something but it comes off as you haven't read the roles.
Not necessarily.
Empking is Empkinging.
I don't know if this a veiled attempt at mocking me, but I am going to assume it isn't.
Ythan, I am getting at something and I have read the roles (although rather poorly as Reckoner can attest for ). I would rather not share until after the first night to see if any certain situations change.
You know there was no n0 yes?
Yes...
Do you think I think you are a bookie?-
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Yosarian2 wrote:Oversoul wrote:
Yes...
Do you think I think you are a bookie?
Heh. If you're saying what I think you're saying, the "Ythan is trying to force through one specific mislynch because he is a mafia bookie" theory you seem to be going for is cute, but it doesn't actually work, since according to the roles on page 1, mafia bookie doesn't get to make a bet until a night phase happens, and it hasn't yet, so that's not actually possible.
Resisting the attempt to pull out my hair.
No, I do not think that Ythan is a bookie. I realize that there is no Night 0 guys. I never said I think Ythan is bookie, I askedYthanifhethinks thatIthink he is bookie.
I know I am failing at explaining things, but does that make it clearer? :\
And by the very nature of being a Mafia member you have more information than a townie. That is what I was getting at.-
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If bussing is what I am guessing, then yes, I do think you are bussing.
I think that the Para/Ethos voting block which is partly driven by the Mafia in the attempt to get a second nightkill, meaning yes, the Bookie is either apart of the wagon or at least orchestrated it in order to have an already established strong base for a mislynch the following day.
I originally thought Spyrex was the bookie, but after he used a few unfortunately coincidental words I tried to breadcrumb him, but I am assuming he didn't notice.
Predit: Ythan, I think you are a traitor, or the traitor depending on how many there are in the game. You would know who the Mafia are (for your strong scum reads so early in the game) and could easily create a situation that would fortify your basis as a town and no one would know since you would come up as innocent to the cop. The only possible situation is if the Mafia try to kill you resulting in a deathless night by either the 1 shot immunity of the traitor ability or the mafia choosing to not kill anyone.-
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I never liked how Ythan immediately latched on to the aspect that Ethos/Para was scum. Although he has convinced me I just found it really strange he could read both of them with such a large amount of ease.
Also, T Booker, you will find that I am incredibly inconsistent. In almost everything I do in real life I am inconsistent. I don't know what it is. I have these little epiphanies (or so I think ).
I DON'T THINK YTHAN IS BOOKIE!!!-
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Ythan wrote:He's saying I'm bussing them to gain town cred. Which means he believes they're scum. Which means he's not being honest.
I am being honest. I don't know what to think of Ethos and Para anymore. I used to think both of them were townie, but after what has happened I am not so sure.
Now you guys are making me doubt myself and my thoughts on Ythan.-
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Ythan wrote:Oversoul wrote:And if you do decide to lynch me you are only giving the Mafia a by for that day.
AtE
Oversoul wrote:Ythan wrote:He's saying I'm bussing them to gain town cred. Which means he believes they're scum. Which means he's not being honest.
I am being honest. I don't know what to think of Ethos and Para anymore. I used to think both of them were townie, but after what has happened I am not so sure.
Now you guys are making me doubt myself and my thoughts on Ythan.
This contradicts your accusation against me at the most basic level.
Also lol partial mason claim. Especially considering earlier.
Ok. What the hell is AtE? Too many acronyms to memorize.
Honestly guys, it isn't like Ethos threw a parabola at us. We can work with the information (or misinformation if you so choose to believe) he has given us. (well, that is my guess at least)
Ythan, this was my thought process. Ethos and Para are townie. You jumped in and said one of them had to definitely be scum for their actions. Making me change my mind and feel uncertain. Then you continued to pile drive the fact that they were the best wagon which made me uncertain about you. I felt that Para was more townie than Ethos based on your posts and the posts of a couple of others and that is when I got the idea that you were the traitor and knew that Ethos was scum and had decided to push him in order to solidify your base as a townie.
I am definitely feeling uncertain about my thoughts now, though.-
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Ythan wrote:Oversoul wrote:Ok. What the hell is AtE? Too many acronyms to memorize.
Honestly guys, it isn't like Ethos threw a parabola at us. We can work with the information (or misinformation if you so choose to believe) he has given us. (well, that is my guess at least)
Ythan, this was my thought process. Ethos and Para are townie. You jumped in and said one of them had to definitely be scum for their actions. Making me change my mind and feel uncertain. Then you continued to pile drive the fact that they were the best wagon which made me uncertain about you. I felt that Para was more townie than Ethos based on your posts and the posts of a couple of others and that is when I got the idea that you were the traitor and knew that Ethos was scum and had decided to push him in order to solidify your base as a townie.
I am definitely feeling uncertain about my thoughts now, though.
AtE is appeal to emotion which is what you do when you're flailing.
What the fuck does a parabola have to do with this.
You say you can work with the information but you don't say anything concrete.
You're backpedaling from your stated reason for suspecting me. This is because you are lying.
HOLY FUCK.
Ok. I am done trying to breadcrumb since it is apparently beyond you.
I breadcrumbed you asking if you were Benedict. A reference to Benedict Arnold, an infamous traitor during the American Revolution.
If what Ethos is saying is true, then I am sorry. I think Parabollocks/Yosarian2 is another partner for the Masons group. Ethos's plea to Para to stay "you are right, scum are doing this to you" fits perfectly since he would know that Para is town because he is part of the mason group.
Parabola was an attempt to try and breadcrumb Parabollocks/Yosarian2 without directly saying it. Sorry guys if I am right.
And what exactly do you think I am lying about? I am a vanilla townie. I have no powers. I am not scum.
Are you saying I am backpedaling because I am now uncertain whether or not you are scum because my plan if what Ethos claimed is true CLEARLY does not account for your actions.-
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You are claiming that you breadcrumbed
asking me to out myself
as a scum role.
You basically did the same earlier in the thread indirectly asking Ethos if he was mason with me. I don't really see the difference other than it is *very* stupid for scum to out themselves.
And here let me look up and show you the not-mason claim. You assuming that buddying must confirm the mason claim is ridiculous.
I believe Ethos until I see otherwise.
And you're claiming that you couldn't be lying because you're a vt.
Ok. I agree that looks bad. I have to hope that you will trust me, or at least the others will. I am a vanilla townie. I know that it is the most obvious role that scum will fakeclaim, but you have to trust me. I am a vanilla townie.
And I'm saying you're backpedaling because the basis of your accusation was that I was bussing scum.
I am backpedaling. Ok. I realize that now. I am not backpedaling because I am afraid to blow my cover. I have no cover. I have no power to lose. I have no limited faction to let down (other than town, but I feel I have already done that).
Ythan wrote:Do you not know how to use a phpBB forum?
I seriously don't see those posts. Tell me their number so I can check.
Ethos, did you lie about your mason claim?-
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Ythan wrote:I asked him to convey to me if he were a mason, ie if there were some valid reason for his buddying. Asking me to scumclaim is different and retarded. There is no intelligent reason that you would have done that sincerely.
If you did have some valid reason (?) to be backpedaling it might be a bit easier to take it in stride.
Iso the player in question and ctrl+f.
Ya. I didn't remember Ethos said that previously until you quoted it again. Sorry for the confusion.
I am done trying to explain myself tonight. I am obviously very bad at this game. I backpedaled on my thought that you were traitor because people genuinely believe that Yosarian and Ethos are scum. Since I am new to this game I thought it was just my newbiness that led me astray and I consider you a very strong player. By that time though, I had already made the Benedict comment as well as the "I think Ythan has more information than he is letting on" comment which made you inquisitive about my own comments. You were pressing for answers so I gave you my original "you are traitor bussing scum" idea.-
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Ythan wrote:I just want to clarify. The majority of my current suspicion of you is based on the fact that you accused me of bussing without expressing any suspicion of the scum I was attacking. If you thought I was a traitor bussing scum you must have thought they were scum. Which you do not seem to have thought.
Oh. My god, I misread that post of yours too. I was uncertain because people kept saying that it was either one or the other (meaning either Ethos was scum or Para was scum, but not both) and I had previously thought both of them were town. I couldn't make up my mind on which one was scum at the time because you were stressing me out prying me for answers to my cryptic comments. Also, I didn't think it mattered because people were piling onto their wagons and I thought they would both get lynched within 2 days. I was more preoccupied with you (who at the time I thought was traitor) running the show.
If it matters I think Ethos is the scummier of the two.-
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Yosarian2 wrote:Overlord, why did you just claim VT? It's really anti-town to do that. What are you doing?
I know claiming VT is generally a bad thing, but I was flailing at the time. Ythan destroyed my opinion on the Ethos and Para slot wagons and then started to demand more from me. I felt if I gave him my role pm it would prove to him that I am town. I still don't think he believes me, though.
Just wondering, Yos, but why is claiming VT generally anti-town? I believe it to be anti-town because it is the most common role that scum fakeclaims. However, I am interested in your opinion.-
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Ethos wrote:The deadline is coming up in roughly five days and the last thing we need is a last ditch attempt to actually start gaining ground on a reasonable lynch. Everyone who hasn't voted Empking need to explain their reluctance in doing so in their next post. Furthermore it's highly evident that the day has revolved around too few players, noticably SpyreX, Ythan, Hiraki, Oversoul, Yosh and ourselves therefore we want everyone to tell us what their thoughts are of the quieter posters in their next post as well.
We can see the merits in revealing my mason partners especially considering the fact that scum are currently able to narrow them down to a select few possible partners to begin with:Our mason partners are Dramonic and T-Bone.
Regfan and Slaxx
Hmm. Dramonic comes as a surprise... T-Bone given his most recent posts isn't all that surprising.
Sorry, Yos, I hadn't thought about that possibility.
I really have no reluctance voting for Empking and once Idher started to single out Quilford and his behavior I started to feel that he was scummy, but I was more obsessed with Ythan being scum to really care.-
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Hiraki wrote:Mastin. What's your opinion on T-Bone?
Actually, I want that to go out to everyone.
I personally don't like his last two posts, and can't remember much more about him.
So I'm very iffy on him.
What?
That is very suspicious, Hiraki. Could you please read the thread before askingobviousscummy questions?-
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dramonic wrote:Hiraki is always a good shot.
And I haven't even read the game too!
I'm going to ask Ethos to post his read list in the QT too, since now he, I and Bone are all giant NK targets. Just in case he turns up dead we'll have his opinions on whatever. Not that they'll be super special awesome, but you know, he still is town!
This post seems... unneeded.
I am okay with a Hiraki Venge Kill. However, what has priority? A night kill or a venge kill?-
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T-Bone wrote:Frankly, I chose Kanye over you because Ethos felt Kanye was his top scum read. They thought you were town. I figured I'd include their reads too into my discussion.
Could you include their reads so everyone can see unless, of course, there are specifics that may aid the scum. I know Dramonic asked Ethos to post their reads predicting a mason kill, and from your post I am going to assume he followed through with the request, but please any information at this point is helpful.
Anyways....
This game just went to hell in handbasket...
Empking, if you are townie, and you legitimately forgot, which I doubt, you have probably secured a win for the scum. Howrever, I have this thought in the back of my mind that this is just one huge ass gambit.
If there is a bookie, this could be their attempt to gain the 2 nightkills. Empking "claiming" 1 vigkill can do two things. A) it outs the real vigilante, if there is one or B) sets up bookie fodder perfectly once the claim is proven fake.
For fear of the bookie and playing into the hands of the scum, I would hold off on killing Empking. We can save his lynch for later as well as give him time to "prove" his vig ability. It is highly unlikely that the Mafia would throw one of their power roles under the bus either, so it is safe to assume that Empking is either a (forgetful................. -.-) Vig 1-shot or a Mafia Goon.
I really don't have any reads from this game other than my failed Ythan read. However, I find it ironic how Hiraki has not posted back here again AND he was unphased when Empking stated he would shoot Hiraki...
I still don't see the scumminess of Kanye's actions. I guess I am a noob and don't realize some of the hidden nuances, but could someone point them out for me? :3-
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SpyreX wrote:Its not a function of Empking or any gambit.
Its risk-reward on the scum side.
I fully, FULLY, expect that if there is a Bookie he's Bookied. Regardless, he's scum.
Are you advocating lynching Empking regardless of the 2 shot bonus that is likely placed on his head?
Or are you saying that since Empking is basically confirmed scum, the bookie is going to have Empking be booked the entire time, regardless of what day it will be? That was my initial fear, but that is remedied if we find the actual bookie.
Also, what would be the point in lynching Empking now? It would do absolutely nothing for town.-
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Hiraki wrote:Oversoul wrote:It would do absolutely nothing for town.
LARIATO
Unvote, Vote: Oversoul
Nice substance.
Here is what I think happened.
In the scum quick topic, they realized that Untrod and Empking were under pressure and likely to be lynched on Day 1. In order for town to miss the scum, they have Empking fakeclaim a vigilante ability, which in essence sets scum up to out the true Vigilante and using their nightkill on that person, or potentially setting up a bookie bonus kill the next night as well as killing a townie through the mislynch. From this I assume that Empking is a goon or other mafia role that is not vital. Hell, he might even be the bookie in which case we are fucked. The bookie would have placed the power on Empking preparing for the imminent, "why didn't you use your vig shot ... you're scum" which was going to happen once everyone realized there was only 1 kill last night securing an extra night kill and killing a confirmed scum. However, if the Mafia desperately needed the extra nightkill they would continuously put the power on Empking knowing that he would be lynched sooner or later.
If we search for the actual bookie, we can avoid the possibility of giving the Mafia a second nightkill. This plan is trumped only if the bookie uses his power on himself, which I fear, Empking may have done.
The enemy you know is better than the enemy you don't know.
Pedit: Am I really that nuts? :\ I'll shut up if you guys think my posts aren't conducive to scumhunting or helping the town.-
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Hiraki wrote:
With what case?Oversoul wrote:Hiraki wrote:Are you guys kidding me?
At this rate, Oversoul has a need to die.
Can you not be so obviously scum, Hiraki?
Once I flip town, I'll be expecting a lynch on your ass.
See how this starts Oversoul? You call me slightly scum, and say that I'm fine for a vengekill.
Now when you make the little slippy slip, you get angry and start calling me obv. scum and cracking under pressure.
The pressure of what? Oh right, my 5000 psi vote.
die.
Stop being so elusive.
And I already explained my "slip". It was supposed to be taken in as part of the scenario that I spent like 3 posts trying to explain. The fact that you immediately grabbed onto it suggests you want an easy mislynch.-
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Empking wrote:You are a Mafia Goon!
Eachnight, you may work with your mafia teammates (PLAYERNAMES) to decide who to kill. During the day, you have your voice and your vote only. You win when mafia is equal in number to town, or nothing can prevent the same.
Game thread is here: 12345
Unrelated:Vote: Hikari
Why did you quote the Mafia Goon role?
*sigh*
At this point, Empking is established scum, most likely with the Bookie note on his head. Any smart Bookie would continually to place the note on Empking's head knowing that he would be lynched sooner or later.
I really don't like having to play into the scum's plan... :\
unvote, vote: Empking
Kill your damn Magikarp ass, ya scum.-
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I am honestly surprised about the Hiraki flip. *sigh* I really wished Dram or T-Bone had the foresight to post their reads along with Ethos's read, unless I missed it. If I am not mistaken, Dram promised to post the reads, but his activity this game...
I feel like Yos's "slip" was not a slip and rather just a tired typo. You can see that he implied town with his second use of the word we.
Kanye's immediate jump on that slip is suspicious in my opinion, but I can't really tell discern anything from anyone this game. My reads have all been off and the activity has kinda made me lose interest. Ugh, so much WIFOM with this particular situation.
Bookie really screwed everything up, especially with the threat of a Mafia traitor (which I believe is in the game). I haven't seen anyone try and breadcrumb a cop ability and as a result there wouldn't be a need for a tailor. No one counterclaimed Emp that night so I am pretty sure there is no vigilante. I don't think there is a rolecop due to the apparent lack of actual power roles. It wouldn't make sense for there to be a role cop with a 3 man mason group + an innocent child or tree stump seeing as they prove themselves in the event of a L-1.-
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SpyreX wrote:...
Why do you believe there is a mafia traitor with a bookie in play?
More importantly:
It is now Day 3. With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
With 1 dead scum, even with a bookie, already how is this lylo under any normal mechanics?
Because the lack of other roles that are in the game mostly. What do you believe the scum team has? Also, how big would a scum team be in this game?-
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mastin2 wrote:Kayne has three votes by my count right now.
Chair has two.
Is there anyone here who strongly disagrees with one of those two being our lynch today?
I disagree with the Chair lynch. He hasn't done anything overtly scummy and Kanye's behavior towards Hiraki and Ethos is ugly considering their flips.
I looked at everyone's posts (those who are still alive) and it seems like everyone has made one bleh post that doesn't seem particularly town, but other than that I am pretty much at a stand still for reads. I don't know why I can't a read other than like 3 or 4 people, but it is annoying me.-
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saporovirus wrote:I think Ythan is obvtown, but someone or the other on this Ethos wagon is scum. And that someone is being terribly opportunistic. IIRC, people who piled on that Ethos dealie later included Hikari, Spyrex, KoC (though he changed it to Parabollocks), and Empking. So Empking, why are you voting for Ethos now?
I feel like this could have been a plan in order to raise suspicion against Empking, planning that he would claim Vig, wait lynch someone else, and then once the claim falls through, lynch him with the fact that he was already suspicious.-
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VOTE: Saporvirus
I don't have a wall or anything really, but I just feel like Sapo is scum.
My reads so far have been...
Town:
Idher
Mastin2
Yosarian2
Null-leaning town:
Kanyeknowsbest
Null:
Kunkstar7
Null-leaning scum:
Chair
MrZepher
Magister Ludi
Scum:
Sapovirus
Reasoning, gut mostly. I didn't like her post where she called Ethos's arguments strecthed and then the Empking buddying doesn't sit well with me after Empking's flip.
Also, she said Ythan was obvtown and then makes a standalone post saying she will look at Ythan again. Clearly one is ungenuine, but I can't tell which one.
Plus, she hasn't really tried to scumhunt this game. She made a few posts, but they were far and few between the one liners.-
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