Open 324 - Ninja Mafia (End. No Drama, please!)

[Empking]

Plus he's hiding off a proper wagon.

Who cares if a wagon has votes on it if the wagon is stupid?

This is clearly untrue.

Ray: Why the lie?

[Kcdaspot]

Ray Montano is a smart guy, listen to him.

no.

Stop being dumb ray.

[Empking]

You're on a roll, Kc, in this game. I knew I picked the right player to sheep.

[Maruchan]

Empking needs to die tonight or tomorrow. js.

[Kcdaspot]

this is empkings MO. Scum or town

[Empking]

this is empkings MO. Scum or town

If by that you mean my transparency, honesty and easiness to be read then I agree. If you mean my dislike of fluff, my support for all thyat is good, my understanding of the importance of votes then I agree. If you mean my preternatural brilliance then I agree.

I was planning to say I disagreed but can't remember why now.

[projectmatt]

Ray

So just like I pointed out earlier you really aren't willing to give original opinions on players and instead are choosing to piggyback other players. Great tactic if hip flips town. And your town reads are pretty much the two players that have gotten absolutely no heat all game. Shocking. And really there's no base to either of your reads.

You're full of it. Not willing to give original opinions? I sheeped that BBmolla wagon pretty well, don't you think? What the hell does having no heat signify? It doesn't signify scum. Do you think that means they are any less town or scum sided? You are also presuming there is NO BASE to my reads when I haven't explained WHY I read them that way.

Read as "I'm going to mimic kcda because he's making the most noise".

I AM GOING TO COUNTER KDCA'S WAGON STRONGLY BUT I AM GOING TO MIMIC HIM AT THE SAME TIME. AMAZING.

Why are you helping matt?

Your reads are nonsense.

[Ray Montano]

Ray: Why the lie?

Explain the lie.

Empking needs to die tonight or tomorrow. js.

He's always a useless sheep. Always has been, probably always will be.

No matt you're not willing to give original opinions on your votes, that's why you sheep. In fact, that's pretty much the definition of sheeping. Giving town reads on players that have no heat on them are useless because you're not sticking your neck out. Pro-town players give town reads regardless of the heat on the player. Anti-town players do not because it allows them to fly under the radar.

You may counter kdca's wagon but you are very clearly attempting to configure yourself into his favor. Every counter you give him is soft.

[Kcdaspot]

this is empkings MO. Scum or town

If by that you mean my transparency, honesty and easiness to be read then I agree. If you mean my dislike of fluff, my support for all thyat is good, my understanding of the importance of votes then I agree. If you mean my preternatural brilliance then I agree.

I was planning to say I disagreed but can't remember why now.

srsly why the one liner approach.

[Empking]

Ray: Why the lie?

Explain the lie.

If people are putting their single vote on a stupid wagon they are making a statement. A very important statement. Its certainally something you should care about.

(Also the fact that you used the oxymoron that is "useless sheep" is )

Kc: It makes it easier to read and also more tranparent without the null bull.

[Ray Montano]

Its not a statement if there's no base behind the statement. Which is the majority of votes on the leading wagons right now. And no, your one-liners do not make you easier to read and you know it. It makes you the same in every single game, scum or town. It makes you more difficult to read and a useless sheep (just one of those wouldn't quite describe your play accurately).

[Kcdaspot]

unfortunately im of the camp that says it's not transparent.

really? i need to see more posting like 459.

ray if empking is useless sheep you're just plain useless.

[Ray Montano]

Don't be pissy cause I'm not following you.

[Empking]

unfortunately im of the camp that says it's not transparent.

really? i need to see more posting like 459.

You mean general theory? Really?

[Kcdaspot]

no.. Idc much about one liners. just a little more deatail is all.

saying stuff like... posts 218, 386 and 452 just dosen't make your obv towness that obv. not looking for a paragraph a post. just a little detail into your thought process.

[projectmatt]

Ray
No matt you're not willing to give original opinions on your votes, that's why you sheep. In fact, that's pretty much the definition of sheeping. Giving town reads on players that have no heat on them are useless because you're not sticking your neck out. Pro-town players give town reads regardless of the heat on the player. Anti-town players do not because it allows them to fly under the radar.

I can't retort this because it's very simply, a huge lie. How the hell do you know I don't give "original opinions" on my votes? Do you legitimately think that I'm sheeping when I've made a half decent case on every player I have voted while actively looking for townreads from non-popular players? I don't need to stick my neck out to find some very simple tells. That's what I found.

>I did not try to get people off of BBmolla who was the current lynch at the time.

Bad. Logic.

[Kcdaspot]

glad to see you see why we don't like ray.

molla vote?

PWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ?

[projectmatt]

KDCA, I retorted your case on Molla. Don't say I didn't look into it. My vote is still not changing unless something actually happens to catch my eye.

[Kcdaspot]

UGGGGGGH

Just let me get this straight then.

do you read molla as newb town?

[projectmatt]

No. I read Molla as a null. Not town. She's not scummy enough for me to throw up a vote today.

[Kcdaspot]

null? just null?

really?

[projectmatt]

Are you asking me that when I explained in depth when BBmolla was null a few posts back? I'm not sure why you are pushing so hard for this.

[Kcdaspot]

not newbnull? or anything? just null?

i'm actually surprised.

why are you so adamantly AGAINST his lynch then?

doesn't that bother you? even slightly? that the biggest wagon is a grey area?

[Kcdaspot]

i mean shoot. to be so strong against his lynch id think you see something slightly town.. but straight up null?

[projectmatt]

BBmolla doesn't come off as a noob. I would not be so AGAINST his lynch if there were not other players who drop significant scumtells. There is no logic in lynching a null read over a scum read.