The Mafia Dating Game Show 2 - Game over!

[StefanB]

The Yesterday hotseatdrama somehow simplified prelude to a bit of not
so nice defense against Amrun:

Internet Stranger wants to save Vifam
MoS subscribes the dilemma this day, we have to safe one of this 2.
Hiplop: Fourseen
Amrun wants both dead (some think she attacks me today for) and doesn't
safe vote thought she could
LC thinks Vifam is town, doesn't vote
tclawren wants to wait
FC calls IS scummy, without naming him for his vote on Vifam.
MoS wants to save Vifam
FC wants to save Vifam
Vezo wants to save FC.
Lowell wants to save FC after stating his confusion over the suicides.
I want a little more from the people on the hotseats and call out FC
for his insane Vifamvote (POINT 1, becomes very important for my
defense later on)
CKD wants to save Vifam becomes he is against Vezo.
Vifam calls FC probably town, but a bad player.
I try to make them start discussing thinks.
Vifam makes a good point that FC does seem to want to live.
I make the mistake and see the sense of it and warn Vifam that if he
is not giving the game 100% I will lynch him. (The coaching)
CKD unvotes
Hiplop wants to save Vifam, because FC isn't even trying.
FC makes an ISOcase or at last tryes.
He calls his save Vifam a gambit, which I don't think anyone who is
not FC has understood.
I state that I didn't.
Vifam uses FC posts to look better.
CKD wants to safe Vifam.
FC has found Vifams scumpartner CKD.
Tclwren want's both to die, wants to save FC
Hiplop would like a third option.
LC votes to save Vifam
FC claims VT.
MoS wants FC to die today and Vifam tomorrow.
FC makes post 398 which is in the complete Mafia fail category and
makes him nearly a have to lynch (Seriously the mod decieds who is on
the hotseat???)
LW wants both death and saves Fourseen, calls him a troll and Vifam
scum.
LW wants Vifam to claim (Very sure he is town)
Peregrine votes to save Fourseen.
I call FC out for 398. (In hindsight, worst post ever)
Vifam makes a scummyclaim, MoS doesn't get it, tclawren does.
Vifam claims scum in 413, no townie would do that.
I save FC even if I don't want to and kill Vifamscum. (exept I didn't
I just found out, that was the L-1,
MoS after a short discusion with Vifam over hammers. (No hammers, sorry
did just find out)
Vifam tells us that he is scumm.
I am shocked that Vifam could have gotten away with it, without the
claim.

Afterwards: A lot of people: FC is confirmed town.
Me: Not really
Some: Scummy, scummy, scummy

[Lowell]

Were I scum trying to look aggressive while being useless, I'd probably do something like what ckd and quilford are doing.

[curiouskarmadog]

I'll answer it when you tell me why you're asking me it.

Deal?

Deal.

scumhunting, now answer the question.

I'll answer it when you tell me why you're asking me it.

Deal?

Deal.

scumhunting, now answer the question.

unvote theLonewolf

vote CKD

can someone tell CKD to stop tunneling

so you think I am tunneling?...why the vote then? typically tunneling is a trait of someone that is town, who are blinded to others and only fucusing on one person for the scum search...if I was scum, would I just be "acting scummy", instead of be labeled "tunneling"?

do you think Quil is town?..why?

[curiouskarmadog]

Were I scum trying to look aggressive while being useless, I'd probably do something like what ckd and quilford are doing.

so you are saying that as scum, you would act differently than you are doing in the game?

[curiouskarmadog]

acutally

unvote quilford

but I still want you to answer the question.

unvote theLonewolf

vote CKD

can someone tell CKD to stop tunneling

wiki states that tunnelling is "when a player becomes convinced by their own arguments by virtue of how long or how strong they hold them"

so you think I have convinced myself that Quilford is scum and am ignoring other people?

vote teamsleep

FUCKING SLIP, the only way you would think I was suffering from tunnel vision is if you KNEW I was town. Otherwise I would just be scummy or unhelpful!!!

[StefanB]

Okay, this one is a lot less nice, I try to make you all see why I am
so ugh, about Amrun. I interpret some of her stance in her posts,
that I think are misinterpretations (I can't interpret them
differently, but how I interpret them doesn't make much sense)
This is for making thinks clear not chronological but sorted through
arguments:

I attacked yesterday while unvoting Vifam (yes his wagon was a safe go
to the hotseat at this point so I looked, who I wanted into the lynch
also)
following posts:

I am bored. We can't find scum. Perhaps a hammer one Vifam will give
us more information. (FC abridged)

and

I say we put him out of his misery then.
unvote: Maxous
Vote: Vifam (IS)

reacting to a VLA because of Pain.

(Last with a IGMEOY)
Amrun:
This is bad, It attacks dead town IM, and defends Vifam.

Me:
I had good reasons to attack the votes, that isn't the same as
defending Vifam. I had good reason to atack IS yesterday, he wouldn't
be confirmed town if he wasn't killed.

Amrun (Now that I can't believe myself, but only interpretation
possible and to much fun to not post)
You have to ignore circumstances to scumhunt probably. The knowledge
now known is the only think important. (So if I understand this right, IS
was obvious town yesterday because he was night killed)

And since I don't find anyone else to blame the nk on, I blame it on
you.

Me:
So scum nk now people they call scummy?

Amrun:
Ignores it.

2 Point:
The coaching

Amrun: This is coaching.
Me: Coaching to what. Normal play? That's normal and totally
understandable because of my history with Vifam.

3.Point my stand on FC:
Takes my stance at the end of the hotseat were I was definitely angry
with FC and want's to point out who it doesn't make sense with my
point today.
For this she takes a post were I made clear what was my thinking at
the beginning of the hotseat at point 1 (look last post, the reason I
posted it).
So takes my opinion from yesterday for today.

Me:
You take this out of context.

Amrun:
Snipping is not scummy. Only if it is a miss reap.

Me:
That's the whole point.

And the post that she thought we were scumbuddys on.

My reaction very bad case, try to defend himself, vote her.
Asking is this normal Amrun? (Okay lot less nice)
Here: Your defense sound town, but in the end you are ad hom,
scummy, scummy, scummy.

Me:
You did this, this and this, all shouldn't be done in a normal case. I
call you scum for this.

[LobsterCatapult]

Mod:

I found an error in the vottingcount. Lobster did vote to save Vifam not FC, so I didn't hammer Vifam MastermindofSin did.

yeaaah....i noticed this too late (like just now reading over it) haha. but the end result would have been the same i presume.

i think stephanB is town with his defense and his interactions with amrun. I am not so sure about amrun scum, I definitely dont see her townie. I think stephan brings up good points about her, and I think its somewhat interesting her case on stefan also involves a pot shot on IS, when IS said he had his eye on her before the hotseat.

@quilford, why do you think CKD was scum yesterday and today?

i dont like his interactions with quilford, i think he is most likely another scum. asking someone what they did is "townie" and unvoting seems off.

vote:CKD

[vezokpiraka]

WTF is Stefan B doing?

[PeregrineV]

I'll answer it when you tell me why you're asking me it.

Deal?

Deal.

Because you come across as super mega scummy. Read yourself in ISO, and point out your "townie" posts, and your "scummy" posts.

My original vote was for day1 posts, but you've not improved it with day2 stuff.

Also, you are voting CKD and hiplop, but CKD is also voting hiplop. Why do you think that is?

Are you CKD?

Do you only talk to CKD?

[Amrun]

Okay, this one is a lot less nice, I try to make you all see why I am
so ugh, about Amrun. I interpret some of her stance in her posts,
that I think are misinterpretations (I can't interpret them
differently, but how I interpret them doesn't make much sense)
This is for making thinks clear not chronological but sorted through
arguments:

I attacked yesterday while unvoting Vifam (yes his wagon was a safe go
to the hotseat at this point so I looked, who I wanted into the lynch
also)
following posts:

I am bored. We can't find scum. Perhaps a hammer one Vifam will give
us more information. (FC abridged)

and

I say we put him out of his misery then.
unvote: Maxous
Vote: Vifam (IS)

reacting to a VLA because of Pain.

(Last with a IGMEOY)
Amrun:
This is bad, It attacks dead town IM, and defends Vifam.

Me:
I had good reasons to attack the votes, that isn't the same as
defending Vifam. I had good reason to atack IS yesterday, he wouldn't
be confirmed town if he wasn't killed.

Amrun (Now that I can't believe myself, but only interpretation
possible and to much fun to not post)
You have to ignore circumstances to scumhunt probably. The knowledge
now known is the only think important. (So if I understand this right, IS
was obvious town yesterday because he was night killed)

And since I don't find anyone else to blame the nk on, I blame it on
you.

Me:
So scum nk now people they call scummy?

Amrun:
Ignores it.

Your grasp of English is fairly poor, so we'll assume you are accidentally misrepping rather than purposefully doing so.

You are totally, completely missing the entire point. I use IS as a reference point only because we now know he is town. IS was far from obvtown yesterday. He didn't even make any real attacks on anyone based on anytng valid. This does lead me to think that it's a newb scumteam that chose him simply due to his join date, but that's not what I was talking about.

What I was saying is that when IS votes Vifam after she goes v/la - which did nothing to change her previous actions, by he way - instead of going after scum, you chose to discredit a townmember's vote on scum for an arbitrary reason. If you are town, you d know IS was town at that time, but that doesn't change the fact that somebooing v/la is no reason to let a leading wagon die. But scumbuddies hoping that t a v/la would disperse a wagon might make this mistake of attacking someone for voting after v/la was declared.

You keep saying that this wasn't a defense of Vifam, but it absolutely was. You attack someone for voting Vifam. That is a classic chainsaw defense of Vifam. The fact that Viis confirmed scum and IS is confirmed town makes this look bad for you.

Also, you said I "ignored" when you supposedly said something about it uncommon to kill someone they suspected. Not only does thing to do with what I was saying, you never said this for me to "ignore" in the first place.

2 Point:
The coaching

Amrun: This is coaching.
Me: Coaching to what. Normal play? That's normal and totally
understandable because of my history with Vifam.

This is absurd. You admit to coaching but think it's okay because you played with Vifam before?

3.Point my stand on FC:
Takes my stance at the end of the hotseat were I was definitely angry
with FC and want's to point out who it doesn't make sense with my
point today.
For this she takes a post were I made clear what was my thinking at
the beginning of the hotseat at point 1 (look last post, the reason I
posted it).
So takes my opinion from yesterday for today.

Me:
You take this out of context.

Amrun:
Snipping is not scummy. Only if it is a miss reap.

Me:
That's the whole point.

And the post that she thought we were scumbuddys on.

I still don't see what was supposed to indicate that was your view from yesterday, so that was my misunderstanding. that doesn't at all change my point, though. In fact, that makes it stronger. If you didn't think FC was scummy at the beginning of the hotseat, why didn't you vote to save him?

My reaction very bad case, try to defend himself, vote her.
Asking is this normal Amrun? (Okay lot less nice)
Here: Your defense sound town, but in the end you are ad hom,
scummy, scummy, scummy.

It's actually a pretty good case for this stage of the game. We have you chainsawing scum, coaching scum, and fencesitting.

This is a fairly normal case; anyone displaying these behaviors around flipped scum will be called to answer for their actions.

I have actually liked parts of yur defense, as stated, but I have to weigh that against the extreme scumminess of your actions yesterday. A couple of genuine-feeling reactions mixed in with some less-genuine-feeling reactions simply do not make you town in light of the whole game.

[StefanB]

Amrun wrote: (All quoted Amrun words)

Your grasp of English is fairly poor, so we'll assume you are accidentally misrepping rather than purposefully doing so.

Okay now going into name calling. Perhaps you understanding and making points is very poor. Can you at last try to stay a bit civil.

What I was saying is that when IS votes Vifam after she goes v/la - which did nothing to change her previous actions, by he way - instead of going after scum, you chose to discredit a townmember's vote on scum for an arbitrary reason. If you are town, you d know IS was town at that time, but that doesn't change the fact that somebooing v/la is no reason to let a leading wagon die. But scumbuddies hoping that t a v/la would disperse a wagon might make this mistake of attacking someone for voting after v/la was declared.

Okay when did I CHOSE to discredit a townmember's vote for an arbitrary reason. Was that the moment I found IS scummy and stated so? I wasn't the only one by the way. Or do you mean now, when I was defending against you? Yes I think it is better to wait for someone who is not proven scum to give time to defend. Fairness Amrun, perhaps not got to have in a mafiagame. And you keep your eyes open even if you think someone is scum.

You keep saying that this wasn't a defense of Vifam, but it absolutely was. You attack someone for voting Vifam. That is a classic chainsaw defense of Vifam. The fact that Viis confirmed scum and IS is confirmed town makes this look bad for you.

Okay after checking, who do you mean. FC, who never voted Vifam, or IS who I never voted?
That the same stupid think like OMGOS, after you make a beautiful case. Voting Vifam is not the reason for the vote. Voting someone after stating they don't think he is scum, but were just bored is not Chainsaw defense. Pointing out that someone had a not so good reason to vote someone is not Chainsaw. I think that is just stupid. I didn't even vote IS for it, I just pointed it out and called this vote scummy.
Chainsawdefence is there to stop a wagon. Not pointing out that one or 2 votes on a 9-Personwaggon are bad.
My pointing thinks out was never going to do one think to stop Vifamswaggon, what would be the purpose of Chainsaw.
Don't use words if they do not fit.

Also, you said I "ignored" when you supposedly said something about it uncommon to kill someone they suspected. Not only does thing to do with what I was saying, you never said this for me to "ignore" in the first place.

Well with ignored I mean never responded to. I said I stream lighted it.
My point was made in.
I wrote:

I was suspicions of IS, thought he could be scum, so I killed him at night? So Mafia now kills the people that they can use for myslynches?

So that was never posted?

This is absurd. You admit to coaching but think it's okay because you played with Vifam before?

No I wasn't coaching Vifam. I was telling him, when I would lynch him, regerdless of the question if I think he is mafia or now. Being angry about our last game together, but still trying to play fair. (I did not blacklist him for it)

I still don't see what was supposed to indicate that was your view from yesterday, so that was my misunderstanding. that doesn't at all change my point, though. In fact, that makes it stronger. If you didn't think FC was scummy at the beginning of the hotseat, why didn't you vote to save him?

So Amrun admits that she can't read content. Should I believe you that you mist, that the whole think was a dialog between me and tclawren. Should have been obvious.
Because I didn't want to run thinks. I didn't understand what he was doing, (If you read every think I posted you would see that)
Would you have voted to save someone, who has given up. Without that (a move that wasn't scummy, just wtf?)
I were in the same situation, than a certain person who wrote this:

Why can't they both die?!

Fourseen, how about content instead of jokes?

Should that person also dye for fence sitting and not voting?

It's actually a pretty good case for this stage of the game. We have you chainsawing scum, coaching scum, and fencesitting.

Not one of them reaching without gross misinterpretations, twisting this terms and using them as some think they don't mean and lying, from you Amrun. Fence sitting does only mean being still suspicious after FC, because his hotseatgame was so bad yesterday and chancing my mind.
YOU WEREN'T THERE AND DID NOT EVEN VOTE WHEN YOU COULD HAVE, SO THIS IS RICH, COMING FROM YOU.
Okay never play with this woman again.

[StefanB]

WTF is Stefan B doing?

Hm searching for scum, defending myself and refreshing what happened at the hotseat?
Why is this a problem.
Oh yeah and starting to really dislike Amrun, that could be a problem.

[vezokpiraka]

WTF is Stefan B doing?

Hm searching for scum, defending myself and refreshing what happened at the hotseat?
Why is this a problem.
Oh yeah and starting to really dislike Amrun, that could be a problem.

Hmm. I read that big post of yours. I can only say my mind is fucked right now.

[teamsleep]

FUCKING SLIP, the only way you would think I was suffering from tunnel vision is if you KNEW I was town. Otherwise I would just be scummy or unhelpful!!!

There are a shitload of roles that can bring about tunnel vision (lyncher, jester, scum fishing for power roles, etc) and it isn't restricting to town. You've been on the site since 07, you've been in enough games to know that.

If you do things other than borderline stalk Quilford, the vote comes off.

Or you can continue to feign outrage and primarily post one-liners.



Up to you.

[PeregrineV]

WTF is Stefan B doing?

Hm searching for scum, defending myself and refreshing what happened at the hotseat?
Why is this a problem.
Oh yeah and starting to really dislike Amrun, that could be a problem.

I have my suspicions of her, but the day1 Vifam v. Amrun stuff seems authentic.

[curiouskarmadog]

FUCKING SLIP, the only way you would think I was suffering from tunnel vision is if you KNEW I was town. Otherwise I would just be scummy or unhelpful!!!

There are a shitload of roles that can bring about tunnel vision (lyncher, jester, scum fishing for power roles, etc) and it isn't restricting to town. You've been on the site since 07, you've been in enough games to know that.

If you do things other than borderline stalk Quilford, the vote comes off.

Or you can continue to feign outrage and primarily post one-liners.

Up to you.

LOL, so if I do other things you will remove the vote?...why?...am I no longer scummy then? (for the record I have done "other things") fuck that though, you keep your vote on me...and when I flip town, best you justify your bullshit vote.

you either vote me because you "think" I am scummy or not, but DONT TRY TO BULLY me...I will question whoever I want for however long I want.

and since you are commenting on "primarily one-liners"...between me and Quilford, who in your opinion has posted more content?..

[farside22]

Looking for love vote count

:

StefanB (4) tclawren, hiplop, TLW, Vezo
thelonewolf (2), Lowell, MasterofSin
Quilford (2) Peregrine, Fourseen
Peregrin (3) TLW, Fourseen, Lobster
hilop (3) CKD, Quilford, StefanB
ckd (6) Quilford, Vezo, Lowell, Armun, teamsleep, Lobster
fourseen (2) teamsleep, MasterofSin
Lobster (1) Armun
Teamsleep (2) tclawren, CKD
Amrun (1) StefanB

Not voting the groove:

Pergrine (X 1), (x 1), hiplop (x 1), mb53,

Deadline is Sept 6, 7:00am PST
With 15 alive it will take 8 to put people in the hot seat

Mod:

I found an error in the vottingcount. Lobster did vote to save Vifam not FC, so I didn't hammer Vifam MastermindofSin did.

fixing

[FourseenCircumstance]

unvote Quilford. vote: CKD

[Amrun]

Amrun wrote: (All quoted Amrun words)

Your grasp of English is fairly poor, so we'll assume you are accidentally misrepping rather than purposefully doing so.

Okay now going into name calling. Perhaps you understanding and making points is very poor. Can you at last try to stay a bit civil.

Listen, saying your English is poor is not an insult. I was trying to be nice and give you the benefit of the doubt that your blatantly incorrect statements should be attributed to language difficulties and not pure scumminess. Your English is poor and I have a hard time following all of your posts - but I try, and I would not do as well as you if this forum were in any language but English, so I bear no hard feelings towards you. Still, you need to realize that your posts are hard to decipher for a lot of people and make allowances for that. That is not uncivil at all.

What I was saying is that when IS votes Vifam after she goes v/la - which did nothing to change her previous actions, by he way - instead of going after scum, you chose to discredit a townmember's vote on scum for an arbitrary reason. If you are town, you d know IS was town at that time, but that doesn't change the fact that somebooing v/la is no reason to let a leading wagon die. But scumbuddies hoping that t a v/la would disperse a wagon might make this mistake of attacking someone for voting after v/la was declared.

Okay when did I CHOSE to discredit a townmember's vote for an arbitrary reason. Was that the moment I found IS scummy and stated so? I wasn't the only one by the way. Or do you mean now, when I was defending against you? Yes I think it is better to wait for someone who is not proven scum to give time to defend. Fairness Amrun, perhaps not got to have in a mafiagame. And you keep your eyes open even if you think someone is scum.

I already quoted the post for you. You discredited IS' vote against Vifam for a bad reason when there were possibly better reasons to discredit it (such as him being bored etc). Vifam had PLENTY of time to defend and you wanted to stop the entire wagon in its tracks just because Vifam declared v/la, by your own admission.

You keep saying that this wasn't a defense of Vifam, but it absolutely was. You attack someone for voting Vifam. That is a classic chainsaw defense of Vifam. The fact that Viis confirmed scum and IS is confirmed town makes this look bad for you.

Okay after checking, who do you mean. FC, who never voted Vifam, or IS who I never voted?
That the same stupid think like OMGOS, after you make a beautiful case. Voting Vifam is not the reason for the vote. Voting someone after stating they don't think he is scum, but were just bored is not Chainsaw defense. Pointing out that someone had a not so good reason to vote someone is not Chainsaw. I think that is just stupid. I didn't even vote IS for it, I just pointed it out and called this vote scummy.
Chainsawdefence is there to stop a wagon. Not pointing out that one or 2 votes on a 9-Personwaggon are bad.
My pointing thinks out was never going to do one think to stop Vifamswaggon, what would be the purpose of Chainsaw.
Don't use words if they do not fit.

Again, I'm having a really difficult time figuring out what you mean here.

I meant IS.

You NEVER STATED any of those things - nothing about boredom, nothing about a previous townread. YOU went after IS for voting Vifam after Vifam declared v/la. This is TOTALLY different from what other people did, and it IS chainsaw.

Also, you said I "ignored" when you supposedly said something about it uncommon to kill someone they suspected. Not only does thing to do with what I was saying, you never said this for me to "ignore" in the first place.

Well with ignored I mean never responded to. I said I stream lighted it.
My point was made in.
I wrote:

I was suspicions of IS, thought he could be scum, so I killed him at night? So Mafia now kills the people that they can use for myslynches?

So that was never posted?

I either missed that part of the post or forgot it since it's totally inconsequential. I did not every say YOU killed IS or that you did it because of that quote. This has nothing to do with anything.

This is absurd. You admit to coaching but think it's okay because you played with Vifam before?

No I wasn't coaching Vifam. I was telling him, when I would lynch him, regerdless of the question if I think he is mafia or now. Being angry about our last game together, but still trying to play fair. (I did not blacklist him for it)

But you were coaching Vifam. In the beginning of the game and as Vifam started to get scummier. This is just what happened. There are only two explanations. 1) You are scumbuddies with Vifam concerned that you might see the behavior you observed before. 2) You are mad town, concerned that you might see the behavior you observed before.

You are saying it's explanation #2, but EVEN if we accept that as true, that still makes the premise that StefanB coached Vifam true.

I still don't see what was supposed to indicate that was your view from yesterday, so that was my misunderstanding. that doesn't at all change my point, though. In fact, that makes it stronger. If you didn't think FC was scummy at the beginning of the hotseat, why didn't you vote to save him?

So Amrun admits that she can't read content. Should I believe you that you mist, that the whole think was a dialog between me and tclawren. Should have been obvious.
Because I didn't want to run thinks. I didn't understand what he was doing, (If you read every think I posted you would see that)
Would you have voted to save someone, who has given up. Without that (a move that wasn't scummy, just wtf?)
I were in the same situation, than a certain person who wrote this:

Why can't they both die?!

Fourseen, how about content instead of jokes?

How many times do we have to go through this? I have read every post of yours several times. Your posts are barely legible. If I misunderstand something, that is not a big deal. Just explain it and move on. Don't act like I am scummy because your English is bad. This is simply untrue. I am happy to work around your language restraints as long as you don't constantly harangue me about it.

I did not miss that it was a dialogue between you and tclawren. I was confused as to when your stated read of FC occurred; I thought it was from day 2, but it was from the hotseat of day 1. Regardless, your stated lack of scumread on FC does NOT line up with any of your other posts and it's a display of cognitive dissonance.

Your answer to my question makes zero sense. You didn't think FC was scummy, but you voted to kill him because "you didn't want to run things." So you were trying to fit in? That's suppppper scummy.

And why would I vote for someone just because they gave up, if they were town?

It's actually a pretty good case for this stage of the game. We have you chainsawing scum, coaching scum, and fencesitting.

Not one of them reaching without gross misinterpretations, twisting this terms and using them as some think they don't mean and lying, from you Amrun. Fence sitting does only mean being still suspicious after FC, because his hotseatgame was so bad yesterday and chancing my mind.
YOU WEREN'T THERE AND DID NOT EVEN VOTE WHEN YOU COULD HAVE, SO THIS IS RICH, COMING FROM YOU.
Okay never play with this woman again.

[/quote]

I don't understand what you are trying to say here. I am not lying and I am not twisting anything (at least not on purpose).

I wasn't there, yes - hence I could NOT have voted. I only had time to make a quick v/la post. I hadn't read several pages previous and had no idea what was going on. That is what v/la means - you don't have time to post.

I don't care if your read on FC changed due to his hotseat play, though you have YET to explain why. I care that you voted to save Vifam over him even after you confessed to a) not having a scumread on FC at the time, b) being angry at Vifam for a previous game and being wary of bad play from this slot.

The only possible motivation I see for this action is scum trying to save Vifam.

[teamsleep]

unvote Quilford. vote: CKD

LOL, so if I do other things you will remove the vote?

I told you why in fact I found you scummy and what it would take for you to repair your image in my eyes. Essentially, yes, if you do something else aside from complaining about Quilford or I, I'll probably have a better view of you.

...why?...am I no longer scummy then?

You're still scummy. You can become probably become less scummy in the eyes of the town if you actually do something.

(for the record I have done "other things") fuck that though, you keep your vote on me...and when I flip town, best you justify your bullshit vote.

you either vote me because you "think" I am scummy or not,

But... I'm voting you because I think you're scummy.

but DONT TRY TO BULLY me...I will question whoever I want for however long I want.

I'm not trying to bully you. And it's good that you're investigating on your own terms, because that means you're not easily railroaded (hopefully; don't be a Fourseen).

and since you are commenting on "primarily one-liners"...between me and Quilford, who in your opinion has posted more content?..

I did point out in #461 that I wasn't impressed with Quilford's content and that he should post more. You've taken it to the point where you believe Quilford is scum because of it. The entire "lynch lowell!" wagon was because of his supposed lack of content, though I sure as hell didn't see you even

sniff

at Lowell on day one aside from quoting one post by him.

One

. #233 was your most productive post in my eyes, but even then it was only about previous game meta. The rest is primarily votes with little to no reasoning.

So yeah, you can ALL CAPS CERTAIN WORDS and use tons of ellipses... But you still have to, you know, do something.

[StefanB]

Okay, since the waggons are moving fast I will claim (since I am a minor powerrole I think it is antiwown to wait)
I am the even-night vig. I think it is no suprise where the bullet is going in the moment. More of that later, when I have the time to go through Amruns Iso and show where she was choaching, fencesitting and walking against the Vifamwaggon.

[Quilford]

Yeah Stefan isn't scum guys

And I'm faltering in my read on ckd too D:

UNVOTE: CKD while I look over some stuff again

[Amrun]

Okay, since the waggons are moving fast I will claim (since I am a minor powerrole I think it is antiwown to wait)
I am the even-night vig. I think it is no suprise where the bullet is going in the moment. More of that later, when I have the time to go through Amruns Iso and show where she was

choaching, fencesitting and walking against the Vifamwaggon

.

You've got to be fucking kidding me. Your OMGUS is showing. Put it away.

You clearly don't know what coaching and fencesitting even is. I'm really tired of this conversation.

Just shoot me and save the walls.

[curiouskarmadog]

unvote Quilford. vote: CKD

no comment, you just want to sneak on there and hope no one notices?

[Quilford]

Okay.

VOTE: CKD