Open 324 - Ninja Mafia (End. No Drama, please!)

[Junpei]

Oh, Maruchan, did you say that you didn't remember this game? As in you are forgetting large parts of what is happening in this game, or just the claim?

[BBmolla]

And I'm the one who people don't like.....

Why did you claim VT.

Ihoenstly

don't remember this game.

Link me to the page where I did and I will re-read and tell you.

no wonder you're voting me

there was supposed to be a WHY in there.

I don't remember WHY i claimed it this game.

He meant he can't remember why he claimed.

[hiplop]

y u sick of me

you refuse to accept the existence of any case on you.

because there isnt. You did a post by post and couldnt find anything :\

[Junpei]

Donjosh was RVS, but in part a good vote to start with in any case (he was scum last game i was in with him so... yeah.). I noted cobbler jumping on a bandwagon and so i FoSed him. don answered me with a satisfiying response and so i could jump from my RVS to my FoS.
anything else?

So you randomly voting Donjosh for being scum in a previous game. It was a meaningless vote with no logic, it had no real reason to it other than to exist, that is an RVS vote, end of story. Cobbler jumped onto a wagon so you fos'd him? He was the second vote in a BW during RVS as the third post of the game so you found that to be scummy? Don answered you with a satisfying response? What would have been an unsatisfying response? There was no reaction test there to be had.

My FoS on projectmatt was because it looked like he was painting a scumspect there. Better explaination: looked as though he was trying to start a wagon w/o voting his target.

He asked you a question regarding one of your posts. Yes I think he implied it was a scum tell but he was hardly starting a wagon, all you had to do was answer him truthfully(if you are town) and his "case" would have been gone. However I think since you had no real reason to feel a huge town read that early you ignored it and moved on. This is getting a bit ridiculous, kdcaspot.

If they were so middle of the road like that why wouldn't he let them develop and only give out like say 1 or 2 early clean reads? Why the list THAT early? I can't justify it any way else but as a blatant attempt for town points.

I believe he later said that he didn't realize how insubstantial his reads were at the time. However this is a question that he needs to answer, I don't want to put words in his mouth and he could be scum.

What needed to be said was said, and he brought nothing new to it. just playing up some info there.

Disagree, but can't really argue this point further I don't think.

It still wasted a good post where he could have been asking someone a question or explaining a read. He's just buying time there with that.

Guess who the king of wasting posts is? You.

"IF The above part is scummy the below part is too." hmmmmmmmm...

Yes, it's an "If, then" statement. Those are called hypotheticals and are something you probably learned about in third grade.

No. He was trying to justify it with a quick case on him. It all just feels like a ton of forced to me.

Feels forced? So it's your gut, can you agree that it is your gut?

pedit: Hi BBmolla please respond to my response in the THIRD quote of this semi-wall please.

[Maruchan]

Oh, Maruchan, did you say that you didn't remember this game? As in you are forgetting large parts of what is happening in this game, or just the claim?

just the claim. I forgot the climate in which I claimed, until someone quoted the claim for me. I have a very good memory as to the over-all game.

[BBmolla]

If they were so middle of the road like that why wouldn't he let them develop and only give out like say 1 or 2 early clean reads? Why the list THAT early? I can't justify it any way else but as a blatant attempt for town points.

I believe he later said that he didn't realize how insubstantial his reads were at the time. However this is a question that he needs to answer, I don't want to put words in his mouth and he could be scum.

First things first, I only gave reads as it was requested by Link about three times. I'm not going to say "No Link, screw you, I don't want to give you reads."

I gave the reads, but after I reread my reads I realized they were almost all town, so I figured I must have misread someone.

Then I reread, relisted and cast my vote on Hiplop where it remains.

In regards to KCDA, he's pushy and sporadic and tunnels town members for no reason, but I think that's just him, not him being scum. I feel if he were scum he wouldnt have 170 posts, it brings too much attention to him.

I could be wrong of course. Just seems too obvious.

[Junpei]

SK always posts a ton, I generally post a ton. Are we both never scum? Scum tells like that don't go away with "that's just him" for me, I would say that anyone can be pro-town.

[projectmatt]

I'm marking BBmolla as a town read, now. Last few posts have successfully delivered.

Cobblerfone is still an excellent wagon. hiplop is more then likely scum, but he made one post that sounded incredibly frustrated and angry that I'll dig up.

[projectmatt]

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p3369937

and

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p3374302

are both posts that show hiplop legitimately getting aggravated at being called out because of his personality. This post:

to be fair, Muffin is easy to spot as scum. I've learned that! He tries less, and theres a definite difference

showed hiplop trying to actually be helpful and recovering from getting tunneled on. I want him to stick around today.

[Junpei]

Alright Maruchan's case on Hiplop is what I'm going with, if you guys know of any others let me know.

Agree till 86 as it shows that you are misreading his post closely. Obviously he didn't mean that you think everyone except YOU and cobble are town. That'd mean that he thought you thought that you were scum. Either you two scumslipped big time or he meant the inverse.

I would agree that things were piling up for hiplop and it looked like he just made a post that included him going "he's scum. she's town" to give the appearance of scumhunting.

Post 334 his case from post 299 is "Essentially BBmolla is trying to look townie, but ultimately failing. Nice try tho". That really is a weak case if you think about it.

I'm not seeing the buddying remarks you are pointing out but I do see other scummy things in hiplops' play.

Your reads list were all scum/null so I see why he said you think everyone is scum but that was a while ago.

Overall I agree that hiplop has been pretty scummy with practically all of his posts being filler, defensive, and not of scumhunting variety. All his reads are barely explained and he offers nothing to the table in the way of helping town catch scum except maybe in his own scumminess. I think I'd like to lynch in order of most to least, Kcdaspot, Maruchan, hiplop.

Also I just noticed this:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 1#p3375351

projectmatt lied and said that Maruchan and Killerjesters' lists were almost identical, but they are not at all almost identical. That is far from truth. But I do find the fact that Maruchan copy/pasted the names from killerjesters' post and reordered them scummy.

[hiplop]

I have been scumhunting, I've found two already.

[Junpei]

I have been scumhunting, I've found two already.

Names please.

[hiplop]

BBmolla + Maruchan

[hiplop]

oh and cobbler actually. Scumteam found

[Junpei]

Reasons for all 3?

[hiplop]

Yup

[Junpei]

Yup

What are they, what are you reasons for each of them?

[Maruchan]

projectmatt lied and said that Maruchan and Killerjesters' lists were almost identical, but they are not at all almost identical. That is far from truth. But I do find the fact that Maruchan copy/pasted the names from killerjesters' post and reordered them scummy.

If mine was scummy, then every single list in the history of mafia of the players from scum to town is scummy.

Why?

I did the exact thing as all them. however instead of looking at page 1 for my list o' names, I looked at the much much closer 3-posts-before-mine.

Sue me for being lazy and assuming the kid had all the names in his list already?

[Maruchan]

Yup

What are they, what are you reasons for each of them?

its an endless circle. dont try.

[Junpei]

So you assumed he himself was on the list? That's a bit of a stretch.

Anyway, scumhunter and killerjester fit where on that list?

Also hiplop won't get away from me, he will hang TODAY, even over you and kcdaspot if he can't come up with reasons for his reads that he has been preaching all game.

[Maruchan]

No, I just forgot to add his name in.

Killer jester fits lower into the scum section, maybe the 4-th to last or 5th-to-last. scumhunter is somewhere in the middle Null section.

[Maruchan]

Also hiplop won't get away from me, he will hang TODAY, even over you and kcdaspot if he can't come up with reasons for his reads that he has been preaching all game.

this is why I have my vote on hiplop

[Junpei]

There's a null section? Eh, I hate to ask for a preference request but could you maybe go to the list and post it saying which ones are town, null, scum? It's hard for me to cipher.

[Junpei]

Oh, my apologies, I just noticed the "don't know from here to there". Ignore my previous post

[Maruchan]

No problem. Mistakes do happen, especially in catch-up reads.