Open 324 - Ninja Mafia (End. No Drama, please!)

[Cobblerfone]

@Viscera:

Why no comment on my proof that Cymru wasn't a lurker on D1?

[projectmatt]

Unvote

Coibbler towntold again. Going to look for another lynch before we hit the deadline.

[Hikari Link]

@Viscera:

Why no comment on my proof that Cymru wasn't a lurker on D1?

When did you prove that?

[Cobblerfone]

1. I don't believe that you just forgot

2. How did he contradict himself? Seems like you were the one who contradicted yourself.

3. Well if I"m about to make a proclamation such as "never seen lurking scum", I would have to be certain about it, or close to certain.

1. I'm so tired of this point I decided to look it up to see if it's even correct. During D1 in that game posted at least once every day, while frequently skipping one day. The longest he went without posting was four days, which happened once.

2. Yes, I acknowledged that, he still contradicts himself with point ten.

3. I don't even need a three.

[VisceraEyes]

I didn't say inactive, I said lurky. You commented on it yourself in that game Cobbler, stop trying to misrepresent my case and just die please.

[Hikari Link]

1. I don't believe that you just forgot

2. How did he contradict himself? Seems like you were the one who contradicted yourself.

3. Well if I"m about to make a proclamation such as "never seen lurking scum", I would have to be certain about it, or close to certain.

1. I'm so tired of this point I decided to look it up to see if it's even correct. During D1 in that game posted at least once every day, while frequently skipping one day. The longest he went without posting was four days, which happened once.

2. Yes, I acknowledged that, he still contradicts himself with point ten.

3. I don't even need a three.

That doesn't seem like proof. You are telling us only how much he posted, not what he posted. Was he active lurking?

[Cobblerfone]

I didn't say inactive, I said lurky. You commented on it yourself in that game Cobbler, stop trying to misrepresent my case and just die please.

We're dealing with two definitions here: The normal internet definition of "lurking" which I used in that game. And the mafia definition of "lurking" which is "not posting" which since it was a question from another player, I assumed that's what was meant.

1. I don't believe that you just forgot

2. How did he contradict himself? Seems like you were the one who contradicted yourself.

3. Well if I"m about to make a proclamation such as "never seen lurking scum", I would have to be certain about it, or close to certain.

1. I'm so tired of this point I decided to look it up to see if it's even correct. During D1 in that game posted at least once every day, while frequently skipping one day. The longest he went without posting was four days, which happened once.

2. Yes, I acknowledged that, he still contradicts himself with point ten.

3. I don't even need a three.

That doesn't seem like proof. You are telling us only how much he posted, not what he posted. Was he active lurking?

The question that I answered in this game where the whole controversy comes from didn't specify "active lurking".

[Hikari Link]

I didn't say inactive, I said lurky. You commented on it yourself in that game Cobbler, stop trying to misrepresent my case and just die please.

We're dealing with two definitions here: The normal internet definition of "lurking" which I used in that game. And the mafia definition of "lurking" which is "not posting" which since it was a question from another player, I assumed that's what was meant.

1. I don't believe that you just forgot

2. How did he contradict himself? Seems like you were the one who contradicted yourself.

3. Well if I"m about to make a proclamation such as "never seen lurking scum", I would have to be certain about it, or close to certain.

1. I'm so tired of this point I decided to look it up to see if it's even correct. During D1 in that game posted at least once every day, while frequently skipping one day. The longest he went without posting was four days, which happened once.

2. Yes, I acknowledged that, he still contradicts himself with point ten.

3. I don't even need a three.

That doesn't seem like proof. You are telling us only how much he posted, not what he posted. Was he active lurking?

The question that I answered in this game where the whole controversy comes from didn't specify "active lurking".

Fair enough. pm did specifically exclude active lurking from his question.

[VisceraEyes]

Where did Cymru go? He was just here. It's been 12 hours since his last post. Don't you have anything to say, Cymru, or a list of reads? I'm still waiting for bigAl and Fonz but if it weren't for that I think I'd put him at L-1 now.

where did I go? I went to bed, got up, went to school, came home, did homework, played video games, read the mafia stuff, found Tommie's essay pointless and suspicious

I saw you lurking before I posted. What were you doing, and why didn't you post until I called you out?

I still think Cobbler is scummy cause of the miss JJ thing but I'm not sure between Tommie and Blue.

What Miss JJ thing?

Cymru

Yeah, hard to read. But lurking more often after getting attention is not a good sign, if nullish.

[VisceraEyes]

Nonono, that's not fair. That's not fair at all. You're the same player and you can't just pick and choose which definition you mean based on what serves your purpose. Ridiculous.

[VisceraEyes]

And for the record, in Mafiaworld, lurking does NOT mean 'not posting', that's INACTIVE. LURKING is when you're reading the thread and throwing in comments when you're called out.

[Hikari Link]

Oh, and hi. RVS is pointless and never gives me the reads I look specifically for.

Just one question for all of you:

1.

Is lurking (

not active lurking

, lurking as in "not talking a lot") a null tell or a scum tell?

[VisceraEyes]

Jesus Christ, okay. I concede that due to misunderstandings and misnomers that my ONE point about Cobbler lying is technically refuted. Congratulations. The rest are valid however and his play has been scummy as SHIT in my opinion. My vote stays until deadline. If a no-lynch is looming, I'll switch to Kcda.

[Junpei]

VE, we need to keep cobbler alive for a night, it is pro town to do so given his claim. Vote kcdaspot.

Link, I don't know what to say other than kcdaspot is scum for reasons stated. Who are your top 4 scum reads? BBmolla isn't someone I want to lynch anymore, I'm seeing a kcdaspot - empking - cobblerfone connection going on and since cobbler claimed cop, I want to go after kcdaspot.

[Hikari Link]

Jesus Christ, okay. I concede that due to misunderstandings and misnomers that my ONE point about Cobbler lying is technically refuted. Congratulations. The rest are valid however and his play has been scummy as SHIT in my opinion. My vote stays until deadline. If a no-lynch is looming, I'll switch to Kcda.

I've seen scummy players as PRs before. The fact that you would leave your vote on an uncounter-claimed Cop without even giving him a chance to prove his mettle is just dumb.

VE, we need to keep cobbler alive for a night, it is pro town to do so given his claim. Vote kcdaspot.

Link, I don't know what to say other than kcdaspot is scum for reasons stated. Who are your top 4 scum reads? BBmolla isn't someone I want to lynch anymore, I'm seeing a kcdaspot - empking - cobblerfone connection going on and since cobbler claimed cop, I want to go after kcdaspot.

Cobbler
BBmolla
Singersigner
zMuffinMan

What is the nature of this connection you see and what does it mean to you if any one of these people flip town? I'm far more concerned with BBmolla's apparent "acceptance" of his fate. Really, it's done nothing but draw votes away from him. The more vocally he sings of his demise, the less people want to lynch him. It displeases me that such a ridiculous ploy is working so well. I mean really, what good has he been since he has "accepted" his demise? I believe true town would be quick to dispense whatever bits of wisdom they have before their death, yet we have almost nothing from him since then. Casual posts here or there, with like half proclaiming that he's ready to die or that we should get on with lynching him. This is just no good to me.

[Junpei]

Link, it is basically Empking's iso. He has made clear connections to them, and kcdaspot and cobbler seem to be distancing.

But BBmolla /did/ claim VT a long time ago... damnit. I'm not sure maybe we can lynch BBmolla, I just don't think he fits with my picture I have in my head. Definitely do not want to lynch a PR.

How is Empking not scummy to you?

[Cobblerfone]

Before I log off for the night I just want to make sure we're all agreed:

N2; Tonight

Doctor: Targets me
Watcher: Targets me
Tracker: Targets somebody else

N3; If I'm still alive

Doctor: Decides for themselves
Watcher: Decides for themselves
Tracker: Decides for themselves

[Junpei]

no. Tracker targets cobblerfone, doctor targets random.

[Hikari Link]

Before I log off for the night I just want to make sure we're all agreed:

N2; Tonight

Doctor: Targets me
Watcher: Targets me
Tracker: Targets somebody else

N3; If I'm still alive

Doctor: Decides for themselves
Watcher: Decides for themselves
Tracker: Decides for themselves

Not sure why you feel the need to mention Night 3. If your dead, it doesn't matter and if you are alive, we can decide on that when the time comes.

[Hikari Link]

no. Tracker targets cobblerfone, doctor targets random.

Explain.

[Junpei]

no. Tracker targets cobblerfone, doctor targets random.

Explain.

Explain why the tracker shouldn't be on him.

Tracker makes cobblerfone have to do as he says. If he's scum and he lies then he is caught if there's a tracker, it makes cobbler in a much tighter position. Besides, watcher (if there is one) finding tracker is just as good if not better than finding doc.

[whispersilk]

I'm far more concerned with BBmolla's apparent "acceptance" of his fate. Really, it's done nothing but draw votes away from him. The more vocally he sings of his demise, the less people want to lynch him. It displeases me that such a ridiculous ploy is working so well. I mean really, what good has he been since he has "accepted" his demise? I believe true town would be quick to dispense whatever bits of wisdom they have before their death, yet we have almost nothing from him since then. Casual posts here or there, with like half proclaiming that he's ready to die or that we should get on with lynching him. This is just no good to me.

I understand what you mean, but I feel I should point out that BB has a very apathetic way of playing this game. I've played with him before, and this is what he is like playing as town. This, added to the fact that I don't think he has done anything particularly scummy in this game, lead me to think he is more likely town than scum.

/two cents

[singersigner]

no. Tracker targets cobblerfone, doctor targets random.

Are you stupid.

Ok, so basically everyone needs to target the cop. If there's a watcher, he now has essentially two more innocents, plus a third cleared (the cop).

If there's no doctor, then at least there's something confirmed.

[Junpei]

What if mafia have an RB? Then the Watcher has 2 visits and one is the mafia, and then he gets confused.

No, only directing one person on top the watcher to the cop is best move.

[Empking]

Tracker should be off him. Doctor off him too.