Open 324 - Ninja Mafia (End. No Drama, please!)

Scumhunter · Post Post #2475 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:58 am

Tracker 100% needs to be on Cobbler tonight.

Hikari Link · Post Post #2476 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:58 am

In post 2474, Scumhunter wrote:Cobbler, why would you have an issue with me specifically tracking you, assuming I had that power?

In post 2473, Hikari Link wrote:
In post 2471, Cobblerfone wrote:It's so if they're mafia and are seen by the watcher they can't fakeclaim tracker, in case they don't have a ninja and fakeclaim tracker while claiming it was a ninja that killed me.

Yeah, I see it now. I had forgotten that you had specifically pointed them out as your suspects. I thought you were just picking people at random.

In post 2454, Cobblerfone wrote:
In post 2451, killerjester wrote:
In post 2449, singersigner wrote:Seriously. He was at L-1 and you decide to switch to someone at L-4?

Nope. Kcda was L-2 and BBmolla was at L-3. Now it's quite the opposite, which is
directly
in line with his read that BBmolla is scummier. But thanks for trying to misrepresent him. Scumhunter, wanna jump on this BBmolla wagon now?

Currently:
BBmolla L-2
Kcda L-3

KJ/Kcda/Javert/fourth?

VOTE: Kcdaspot

In post 2455, Cobblerfone wrote:
In post 2451, killerjester wrote:
Scumhunter, wanna jump on this BBmolla wagon now?

Scumhunter = 4th?

Junpei · Post Post #2477 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:06 pm

Link, there's no way that you are fooled by that, are you?

If cobbler is mafia then those reads are fabricated, and he essentially makes an excuse to have 4 people not target him if tracker. As town the reasons aren't necessary either, we should play it safe, and force tracker on the guy whom town found scummy enough to take to L-1.

Javert · Post Post #2478 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:07 pm

Hunh -- lots of people sure jumped to lumping me with Kcdaspot pretty quickly. Do you all know something about Kcdaspot's alignment that I don't?

Hikari Link · Post Post #2479 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:11 pm

In post 2477, Junpei wrote:Link, there's no way that you are fooled by that, are you?

If cobbler is mafia then those reads are fabricated, and he essentially makes an excuse to have 4 people not target him if tracker. As town the reasons aren't necessary either, we should play it safe, and force tracker on the guy whom town found scummy enough to take to L-1.

I didn't say I agreed with it, I merely said I understand the reasoning. I'm fine with the Tracker on him no matter what.

Scumhunter · Post Post #2480 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:17 pm

Cobbler, if I were a tracker, I'd be tracking you 100% regardless of what you say. The benefit of potentially catching you out in a lie far outweighs the potential downfall of added suspicion upon oneself as tracker in the unlikely, very specific scenario of theoretical watcher + theoretical ninja both being on you. Not to mention that with only one scum sending in the kill potentially effectively 0 with ninja there is really no better use for tracker than to track a claimed cop at this stage.

Javert · Post Post #2481 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:41 pm

1.)

Scumhunter and singersigner, seeing as you both apparently had absolutely no clue what the vote count was when I switched my vote back to BBmolla, why is it you both accused me of doing the "worst possible thing" for achieving a lynch?

When I switched my vote, Kcdaspot had 6 votes and BBmolla had 5 votes. Me switching my vote essentially just made it so that the player

I

prefer to be lynched was closer to being lynched by putting BBmolla at 6 votes and Kcdaspot at 5 votes.

2.)

VisceraEyes, you just accused

me

of trying to secure a No-Lynch. How closely have you read my posts?

Read my posts and tell me you

seriously

think I am secretly gunning for a No Lynch. Not only have I been trying to get this Day over with for

quite

a while, but I have specifically argued the possibility of players actually voting to No Lynch multiple times throughout the game.

Scumhunter · Post Post #2482 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:43 pm

Javert, yeap, I was wrong about the vote count, my bad.

Cobblerfone · Post Post #2483 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:00 pm

In post 2480, Scumhunter wrote:Cobbler, if I were a tracker, I'd be tracking you 100% regardless of what you say. The benefit of potentially catching you out in a lie far outweighs the potential downfall of added suspicion upon oneself as tracker in the unlikely, very specific scenario of theoretical watcher + theoretical ninja both being on you. Not to mention that with only one scum sending in the kill potentially effectively 0 with ninja there is really no better use for tracker than to track a claimed cop at this stage.

But. If I'm mafia and the tracker is going on me, then what prevents me from saying I was blocked while some goon that knows that they are most likely not going to be tracked from killing instead?

Cobblerfone · Post Post #2484 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:03 pm

And assuming I am mafia, why wouldn't I play it safe that way? Granted, if Kcda is the roleblocker (which I doubt considering I believe he's either been bussed or is town) then I could see this as being some kind of orchestration. And if he does flip roleblocker you can target me. Otherwise, no.

Junpei · Post Post #2485 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:08 pm

cobbler: that is nonsense

TRACKER ON COBBLER IF THOU EXISTS

Scumhunter · Post Post #2486 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:08 pm

Cobbler, what I don't get here is why you don't want someone to track you to confirm your claim? If I'm town pr I want my claim to be validated by a confirming report, particularly so when I've been highly suspected. Unless of course, no tracker report can validate your fake claim...

Cobblerfone · Post Post #2487 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:11 pm

In post 2486, Scumhunter wrote:Cobbler, what I don't get here is why you don't want someone to track you to confirm your claim? If I'm town pr I want my claim to be validated by a confirming report, particularly so when I've been highly suspected. Unless of course, no tracker report can validate your fake claim...

It only applies to you if Kcda flips mafia goon. If he flips town or maf-PR track me to your heart's content.

Junpei · Post Post #2488 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:14 pm

In post 2487, Cobblerfone wrote:
In post 2486, Scumhunter wrote:Cobbler, what I don't get here is why you don't want someone to track you to confirm your claim? If I'm town pr I want my claim to be validated by a confirming report, particularly so when I've been highly suspected. Unless of course, no tracker report can validate your fake claim...

It only applies to you if Kcda flips mafia goon. If he flips town or maf-PR track me to your heart's content.

That did not answer the question.

You seem like scum pushing for a terrible idea.

Cobblerfone · Post Post #2489 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:26 pm

In post 2488, Junpei wrote:
In post 2487, Cobblerfone wrote:
In post 2486, Scumhunter wrote:Cobbler, what I don't get here is why you don't want someone to track you to confirm your claim? If I'm town pr I want my claim to be validated by a confirming report, particularly so when I've been highly suspected. Unless of course, no tracker report can validate your fake claim...

It only applies to you if Kcda flips mafia goon. If he flips town or maf-PR track me to your heart's content.

That did not answer the question.

You seem like scum pushing for a terrible idea.

Because it's obvious to me. I don't know who's the tracker. Therefore, I can't fakeclaim a target if I were mafia since it's only 3/some number of people that wouldn't target me as tracker.

Junpei · Post Post #2490 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:30 pm

Cobbler, stop pretending to be overly selfish.

If you are town, look through a town in general mindset, not a 'I'M COBBLER AND IM COP" mindset.

Tracker goes on you, no questions asked.

killerjester · Post Post #2491 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:35 pm

Nope. He's Cobbler and he's cop.

Cobblerfone · Post Post #2492 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:40 pm

In post 2490, Junpei wrote:Cobbler, stop pretending to be overly selfish.

If you are town, look through a town in general mindset, not a 'I'M COBBLER AND IM COP" mindset.

Tracker goes on you, no questions asked.

Why? Again the only reason tracker is going on me is so I can't fakeclaim I went somewhere when I didn't or that I didn't go somewhere if I did. What I'm proprosing does the exact same thing. And if Kcda flips either scum-PR anyone can target me as tracker.

Junpei · Post Post #2493 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:41 pm

What you're purposing only makes sense if you are cop and not mafia. Actually no, it doesn't make sense even then.

Cobblerfone · Post Post #2494 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:45 pm

How does it not make sense? If I were mafia and if there's a tracker there's

still

a larger chance of the tracker being among the people I am NOT barring from tracking me.

Junpei · Post Post #2495 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:47 pm

But it's possible they are, so it is a stupid gambit, it holds no benefits that are worth the risk at all. It basically makes it so that a possible watcher has no confirms or idea of the setup from this, it is BAD.

Cobblerfone · Post Post #2496 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:53 pm

They don't have any idea of the setup anyway. And they know that depending on the circumstances the tracker is amongst those three anyway.

Hikari Link · Post Post #2497 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:56 pm

In post 2496, Cobblerfone wrote:They don't have any idea of the setup anyway. And they know that depending on the circumstances the tracker is amongst those three anyway.

But if the Tracker and Doctor are on you for sure and we have a Watcher, then nobody but the people who target you tonight can claim Tracker or Doctor in the future.

Cobblerfone · Post Post #2498 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:01 pm

In post 2497, Hikari Link wrote:
In post 2496, Cobblerfone wrote:They don't have any idea of the setup anyway. And they know that depending on the circumstances the tracker is amongst those three anyway.

But if the Tracker and Doctor are on you for sure and we have a Watcher, then nobody but the people who target you tonight can claim Tracker or Doctor in the future.

True. But in that case, there's a doctor, and the tracker will be allowed to target me after that. My plan is in case there isn't a doctor.

Junpei · Post Post #2499 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:04 pm

In post 2498, Cobblerfone wrote:
In post 2497, Hikari Link wrote:
In post 2496, Cobblerfone wrote:They don't have any idea of the setup anyway. And they know that depending on the circumstances the tracker is amongst those three anyway.

But if the Tracker and Doctor are on you for sure and we have a Watcher, then nobody but the people who target you tonight can claim Tracker or Doctor in the future.

True. But in that case, there's a doctor, and the tracker will be allowed to target me after that. My plan is in case there isn't a doctor.

Your plan doesn't make sense even then.

Just concede to what is obviously right (our plan) and stop trying to push for a horrible idea post-lynch. You are being very scummy