Open 348 - JK9 Game over (Who won?)

[ConSpiracy]

Pomegranate replaces Mattman effective immediately.
Night can advance normally, about 24 hours left.

[ConSpiracy]

Goddammit, another victim? Everybody saw blood coming out of the sinks. How did the blood come there? Who killed the ConSpiracist this time? At a first sight they couldn't come up with somebody missing. Off course, kondi was missing, but they threw him from the roof. At least they know they aren't going to drink water any more as it is apparently filled with blood... They all went to search for the blood leak and they found it. They have drunk water out of the surrounding lake for quite a while now and apparently kondi's body (or what was left of it) was stuck in the pipeline. That explains why everybody was sick all the time, they pissed in that water as well...

No one died night 1!

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Pads (0)

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smallpeoples343 (0)

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apple_singer (0)

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Pine (0)

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[L] (0)

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Pomegranate (0)

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duckhunter4242 (0)

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JonWJ007 (0)

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Not voting (8)

- Pads, smallpeoples343, apple_singer, Pine, [L], Pomegranate, duckhunter4242, JonWJ007

With

8 alive

, it takes

5 to lynch

.
Day 2 ends in 2 weeks on

Thursday November 17rd 4 p.m. GMT+1

. That is

(expired on 2011-11-17 10:00:00)

from now.

Also, JonWJ007 is V/La from today till 14th of November. Please state in your next post whether you want him to be replaced or you don't mind it.

[duckhunter4242]

I don't know how I feel about JonW he basically gets a free pas if hes scum...

[smallpeoples343]

Replace plz. Hmm... maybe scum was inactive?

[-L-]

Replace.

[apple_singer]

Replace.

Hmm, the no kill does seem suspicious. Probably jailkeeper either roleblocked mafia or protected the person that was killed.

[Pine]

Indeed. Tempted to ask the JK to claim, as their target last night is either the killer or victim. 50/50 odds are good. Might be worthwhile to wait another day, though they might be killed tonight. 1/4 chance of JK dying versus 1/2 chance of them having blocked scum.

[Pomegranate]

Replace JonW.

And no, we don't ask the JK to claim; we want him to get more use out of his PR first, I think. It's only D2.

[ConSpiracy]

Skenvoy replaces JonWJ007, effective immediately

[Skenvoy]

Hey everyone! I'm going to read through and post my thoughts.

[Skenvoy]

Wow, this game is inactive. Figured I'd start with the questions so you're not flying completely blind in regards to me.

1. A/s/l- 18/female/Australia
2. Time zone- Sydney, Australia
3. Any favorite hobbies- I like reading, writing and music.
4. Occupation- Student.
5. One random fact about yourself- Um...my socks rarely match.

Would you claim at L-2 or L-1? If I was at L-1, I couldn't get out of it by talking, and someone had stated an intent to hammer, then yes. Unless I was mafia, of course.

How many games have you played before? I'm in one ongoing, this one, and about to be in one more. I've played a couple of games on another forum site.

why do you play mafia? What do you get out of it? What is your favorite role thus far? I like the strategy aspect to the game, mainly. To the other questions, I'm not sure, I haven't played long enough. I think I like playing mafia/vanilla better than power roles, though. I'd probably enjoy playing third-party if I had the chance.

Okay, my reads. This game is ridiculously sparse, postwise, so I don't have clear reads on most of you.


Duckhunter was doing a bunch of vote hopping yesterday, he voted second on two different wagons. I'm also interested that Mattman called kondi a scummy wagoner (post 35) even though duck was on the same wagon with just as little reasoning behind his vote. I also don't like his 'I thought we were still in RVS' post.

I'm not sure about the jailkeeper claiming, as it's still 50/50 that the person is town or scum. I think it depends on whether the jk jailed someone they thought was scum, or someone they thought was likely to be targeted by scum. I guess I'm saying, I think the jk should claim if they jailed someone who it would've been strange for scum to nk.

My thoughts are all jambled. I have a guttish maybescum read on Apple, and a guttish maybetown read on [L]. If duckhunter turns out to be scum, I'm looking more closely at Pomegranate.

VOTE: Duckhunter4242

And people need to post more.

[duckhunter4242]

@Sken A little aggressive much? If a sparse game is going I don't see how trying to get it active is consider scummy. Which was all my intent was with the early wagoning.

[Skenvoy]

@Sken A little aggressive much? If a sparse game is going I don't see how trying to get it active is consider scummy. Which was all my intent was with the early wagoning.

So, a) You accuse me of being aggressive, and 2) say that when you're aggressive (your early wagoning) isn't scummy because you're trying to get the game going.

...isn't that what I'm doing? I don't follow you.

[Skenvoy]

@Sken A little aggressive much? If a sparse game is going I don't see how trying to get it active is consider scummy. Which was all my intent was with the early wagoning.

So, a) You accuse me of being aggressive, and 2) say that when you're aggressive (your early wagoning), it isn't scummy because you're trying to get the game going.

...isn't that what I'm doing? I don't follow you.

EBWOP

[Skenvoy]

@Sken A little aggressive much? If a sparse game is going I don't see how trying to get it active is consider scummy. Which was all my intent was with the early wagoning.

So, a) You accuse me of being aggressive, and 2) say that when you're aggressive (your early wagoning), it isn't scummy because you're trying to get the game going.

...isn't that what I'm doing? I don't follow you.

EBWOP

[Pine]

Vote: skenvoy

The scumminess of Jon precedes you. Vote on a Townread doesn't help.

[Skenvoy]

Your reason for having a town read on Duck is 'the early wagon built up fast and without reasoning', which I've seen happen to both town and scum. 3 votes isn't THAT much. And voting me for voting one of your town reads isn't the best of reasons either. It's like OMGUS on someone else's behalf.

[Pine]

Clearly, you aren't paying attention. Jon pushed an early wagon that almost built up to a lynch (no, 3 isn't a lot in most games, but in a 9-player, it's L-2 on Page 1). Jon continued to be scummy with his votes. Further, my Town reads help me use Process of Elimination to significantly reduce the potential scum. You and Mattman's replacement (whose name escapes me right now) are top on the list. Your defensiveness and misrepresentation of my reasons (you voting on a Town read is just ancillary) simply strengthens my opinion.

[Skenvoy]

What do you want me to do? Explain Jon's actions? Or just give up, because you didn't like the way he played? I can't get into his headspace, I've never even talked to him.

I addressed the part of your post I could address

. I understand if you want to vote me because of the player I replaced, but I'm not going to waste my time talking about it, because there's nothing I can do.

[Pine]

Sorry, but about the only thing you could do would be to convince me you're Town, and you're not really doing that. Instead, you're mostly just being whiny and defensive.

[Skenvoy]

I have a question: Why didn't you vote for Jon at the beginning of the day? Why wait for his replacement to join before you voted?

[Skenvoy]

Clearly, you aren't paying attention. Jon pushed an early wagon that almost built up to a lynch (no, 3 isn't a lot in most games, but in a 9-player, it's L-2 on Page 1). Jon continued to be scummy with his votes. Further, my Town reads help me use Process of Elimination to significantly reduce the potential scum. You and Mattman's replacement (whose name escapes me right now) are top on the list. Your defensiveness and misrepresentation of my reasons (

you voting on a Town read is just ancillary) simply strengthens my opinion.

By the way, could you explain why exactly my voting on a town read strengthens the case on me as scum? I would've thought that scum would go mainly for easy lynches, not players others had town reads on.

[Pine]

Clearly, you aren't paying attention. Jon pushed an early wagon that almost built up to a lynch (no, 3 isn't a lot in most games, but in a 9-player, it's L-2 on Page 1). Jon continued to be scummy with his votes. Further, my Town reads help me use Process of Elimination to significantly reduce the potential scum. You and Mattman's replacement (whose name escapes me right now) are top on the list.

Your defensiveness and misrepresentation of my reasons

(you voting on a Town read is just ancillary)

simply strengthens my opinion.

By the way, could you explain why exactly my voting on a town read strengthens the case on me as scum? I would've thought that scum would go mainly for easy lynches, not players others had town reads on.

Fixed that for you. The defensiveness and misrepresentation (which continues) is what strengthens my opinion.

I didn't vote right away for two reasons. First, I wanted to discuss whether power roles should act, as they could hand us a very good candidate as scum. Second, I wanted to give you a chance to change my mind. You haven't.

[Skenvoy]

Okay, sorry, misread that. (I don't know how, that was fairly idiotic of me.)

[Pads]

Seems like we could have done better than a Kondi lynch yesterday, but seeing as how almost everyone in the game had a stated viewpoint on Kondi, we could have done a lot worse, too. My suspicion of Apple, of course, has not been diminished, given their participation in that lynch.

Hmm, the no kill does seem suspicious. Probably jailkeeper either roleblocked mafia or protected the person that was killed.

Always good for scum points is IIoA, information instead of analysis.

[L]'s hammer, and Pine's pushing the wagon are not overly suspicious to me at this point, since while I did not personally find Kondi scummy, I can understand why he raised some hackles.

Looking back through his iso, we can see that JonWJ007 had seven posts, and not a single one of them had a single word about anything of value. I can't say I like Skenvoy's posts too much better.

Okay, my reads. This game is ridiculously sparse, postwise, so I don't have clear reads on most of you.

I'm not sure about the jailkeeper claiming

My thoughts are all jambled.

No reads on most of the game? Just about everyone has

something

that can be interpreted, one way of the other. Adding to the non-contributions of Jon is this scum-tell: confusion. I realize that townies are the 'uninformed' group, and thus are the confused ones, but they don't lie around wallowing in their own confusion.

Let us explore this wagon.

vote: Skenvoy