Mini 301: Berry Kingdom Mafia II -- (Game Over!!)

[ziliu]

Sorry, forgot about this game.

I'm not the SK.

Then again, I don't think an SK would counterclaim CA at this point, an SK could just kill him at night and stay undercover.

My gut feeling says CA is mafia and not SK. His claim shows a lot of similarities to me in Mini 285 where I was mafia claiming SK. I'm not willing to risk everything based on gut feeling, so CA can live another day.

Re-read coming up.

[Ameliaslay]

I think the difference semantically between you claiming SK in 285, and his in this one is that you delcared you were anti-town and unwilling to work with the town whereas he has not gone either way.

[Lloyd]

unvote

. I've got no choice but to vote for who the town wants me to vote for.

Ameliaslay,

I interpreted above as Commodore Amazing willing to work with the town in voting today.

What are your thoughts on it?

[Ameliaslay]

As ambiguous, it's like he realizes that to stay alive he must vote with and etc. what the town wants, but it's not wholehearted as in BMQ's more reluctant...

[TheCesspit]

As ambiguous, it's like he realizes that to stay alive he must vote with and etc. what the town wants, but it's not wholehearted as in BMQ's more reluctant...

If you Read BMQ's SK claim, his was curable, and also could be both pro-town and anti-town, dpeending on the stage of the game.

Unless CA's Serial Killer isn't vanilla, it's an anti-town role,, as it will win on it's own and no other way.

That said, I still think he's tomorrow's lynch at the earliest, due to the balance of the game (we haven't lynched a single scum yet).

Can I just go back to these three questions I asked early:

If you look at CA's Tracker post, he tries to pin the blame on Yosarian2. Why that particular player?

I can't see any reason to finger Y2 as Mafia (which the SK needs to find as much as us, right?). But maybe I've missed something. Perhaps CA could help us with his thoughts there?

It seems the Scum and CA both hit Coron over night. Why? He'd not flagged 'cop' to me.

Again why that choice?

What sort of Berry is the Serial Killer, out of interest?

Random question really!

role-blocking him wouldnt be a bad idea to prevent him from taking another townie. that way we could worry about who is mafia and who isnt.

on the other hand...it would be a good gamble to block someone else for the next night in case that person is a mafia, esp if that mafia is the one taking a townie out. that would give the town much better odds over scum.

This is odd. It's not a good gamble to block one of six unknown people in case they are scum over one definite anti-town player.

You might roleblock any doctor we have, or any other useful pro-town role. You might role-block a scum... but the scum who isn't killing tonight. I can't see how this helpful at all.

[Lloyd]

the doc (who I thought was Coron)

N2 - I really did target Coron, so blocking me really didn't do much. I thought he was scum.

After you claimed Tracker, you thought Coron was the doc on Day 1.

After you claimed SK, you thought Coron was scum on Day 1.

Which is it?

[Commodore Amazing]

I can't see any reason to finger Y2 as Mafia (which the SK needs to find as much as us, right?). But maybe I've missed something. Perhaps CA could help us with his thoughts there?

I didn't think Yosarian2 was scum, and I thought I could get the scum to join my bandwagon, claim tomorrow, and make it through til the end of the game that way.

It seems the Scum and CA both hit Coron over night. Why? He'd not flagged 'cop' to me.

Lucky guess.

What sort of Berry is the Serial Killer, out of interest?

Boysenberry!

After you claimed Tracker, you thought Coron was the doc on Day 1.

After you claimed SK, you thought Coron was scum on Day 1.

Which is it?

Scum. Did you see his posts?

[Yosarian2]

I notice that neither Cherry nor Ameliaslay has said much all game about who they consider to be scummy. Not lurking, but not a lot of content in either of their posts. Do either of you have any thoughts about who you think is suspicious?

[Yosarian2]

And of course, I want to hear that from Ziliu as well.

[Bacde]

I can follow that logic.

Vote: Ameliaslay

As I was rereading her posts I didn't feel her adamant vibes to catch the scum.

[Cherry]

CA has had most of the attention lately which is taking focus off of everyone else. everyone else is talking about CA's intentions more than realizing that there are scum wating for us to find them.

Ameliaslay hasn't said much in the way of who she suspects but i wouldnt go as far as voting her before asking what her opinion is.

Bacde voting her without giving her time to explain is a bit scumy, more like impatient, which can be scumy.

[TheCesspit]

And of course, I want to hear that from Ziliu as well.

Same here.

And Amelia.

Some people have been quiet, that makes them look more like lurker-scum. It's possible that (some) scum would keep quiet now while we are busy trying to bump of our serial killer, as they know that's the best play for them.

[ziliu]

I re-read and I don't think anyone really is scummy. If I had to choose though, I'd go for saying Bacde is scum.

Mostly for

Where are you guys getting these gut feelings on Ciprian? I'd love to join the bandwagon if I knew why.

followed by Coron telling him to view all posts by ciprian, and then:

Coron, you should have assumed that I already did that. Because I did. I'm no dummy when it comes to trying to do the work myself.

I guess his whole "Posting mental notes is scummy" Tyrade is pretty stupid. Either way, voting Ciprian is better than no vote at all, and I think Lloyd stopped being so crazy.

Unvote; Vote: Ciprian

Note that there's nothing that has changed during the 25 minutes between Bacde's first post and his second, since he claimed he already read all posts by ciprian, yet in the first post Bacde implies he doesn't have a clue why ciprian is scummy, and then blatantly throws a vote on ciprian. Asking for reasons/approval for bandwagonning, and joining the bandwagon as soon as approval is received is inherently scummy.

[Yosarian2]

Yeah...that's the second time Bacde's voted a little too quickly and impatiently today, in a possible lynch or lose situation. First he brought CA to 3 votes saying, after I pointed out that lynching the SK would cause the town to lose, and now he voted Ameliaslay a little too quickly without giving her a chance to respond. I agree that she hasn't said much useful this game, and one vote isn't enough to cause a speedlynch, but still, Bacde is fairly high on my list.

Still waiting to hear from Ameliaslay, also.

[Ameliaslay]

Sorry guys, This slipped to the bottom of the thread so I kinda forget about it. I have the same position on SK's as I did in the mini w/ ziliu I don't trust them, but as has been said killing CA might put us in lynch or lose. I really don't have any concrete suspicions about anyone, the person I was semi-suspicious of died in the night... But as has been said the focus has been on CA since daybreak, it's hard to get a read on anyone else

As I was rereading her posts I didn't feel her adamant vibes to catch the scum

What kind of argument is that?

[Commodore Amazing]

I'm here. I'm lynching the first person the town wants me to hammer.

I think you all have a better idea of who is scum than I do. I just don't think Yosarian2 is scum.

[Ameliaslay]

Even though you "fingered" him?

[Bacde]

If you are assuming the standard 3 mafia then no we aren't in a lynch or lose situation. Lynching CA would not put us in a lynch or lose situation, but would actually cause us to lose.

@Ziliu, you ended yesterday with a vote on me also. Is there a reason you so adamently want me specifically lynched?

[ziliu]

You mean other than me thinking you're being scummy? No, not at all.

[Ameliaslay]

Do you have any specific reasons you think he's scummy?

[Commodore Amazing]

Even though you "fingered" him?

I "fingered" him (Yosarian2) because I didn't think he was scum.

[Blackberry]

Kanika Village Vote Count

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Ameliaslay

:: (1) :: (Bacde)

Commodore Amazing

:: (1) :: (Lloyd)

Not Voting: Ameliaslay, Cherry, Yosarian2, ziliu, Commodore Amazing, TheCessPit

Five Votes to Lynch.

[TheCesspit]

Lloyd, is there a reason your votes still on CA that we should know?

I'm not feeling that Y2 isn't scum.
Lloyd seems to be very detailed and logical and shows no flaws that shout scum.
CA is a claimed SK, and I believe if we need him alive. For now.

I'm not keen on Bacde's reasoning behind voting for Ameliaslay.
I'm currently ambivalent towards Amelia, but happier now she's involved.
I have no idea about ziliu. Looking back I can't see much from them at all, which is a possible lurker-scum trait. Similar can be said for Cherry.

I'd love to see more from both.

I'm going to stick my neck out a little with

FoS: Bacde

. There seems to be a bit of misdirection by him, and some slightly spurious ideas. Only a feeling that I can't quite back up enough to vote. Best go and do a post-by-post in the next 24 hours.

[Bacde]

The longer the vote pools stay still with my vote on Amelia, the happier I am with my vote. Do remember that voting is a dynamic concept.

@TheCesspit- What part of what I am saying seems to be intended to misdirect?

At the moment I feel like I'm the only person here trying to find the mafia. Since nothing changed since I have voted her, I feel very good with my vote on Amelia. If I had to guess another scum, honestly right now I'd say ziliu for accusing me and doing nothing about it when he doesn't get much approval from others. It goes both ways.

[Ameliaslay]

[quote="Bacde"If I had to guess another scum, honestly right now I'd say ziliu for accusing me and doing nothing about it when he doesn't get much approval from others[/quote]

Well, I could vote you but that'd just be an OMGUS