NY139: Underground Mafia (Game over!)

[StevieT92]

Hello everybody. I just moved into college today and it's 2am. Expect a long post tomorrow.

Steve

[StevieT92]

Uncledaphne, you deserved to be lynched based off your play. You have nobody to blame but yourself.

The person who jumps out at me for being the most scummy yesterday is Sorgster. Not for getting on the wagon, but the fact that he does it for weak reasons and also tried to cover his own ass saying he overreacted. UD wasn't a bad lynch based on his play, but sorgster didn't even seem to be concerned with that. For that reason,

vote: Sorgster

I know I promised a long post but I'm gonna procrastinate it.

[StevieT92]

Uncledaphne, you deserved to be lynched based off your play. You have nobody to blame but yourself.

The person who jumps out at me for being the most scummy yesterday is Sorgster. Not for getting on the wagon, but the fact that he does it for weak reasons and also tried to cover his own ass saying he overreacted.

UD wasn't a bad lynch based on his play, but sorgster didn't even seem to be concerned

with that. For that reason,

vote: Sorgster

I know I promised a long post but I'm gonna procrastinate it.

What do you mean? I voted for him and brought him to l-1.

I mean that you didn't address why you were voting for him at all when you did it.

[StevieT92]

Looking at the people who want to vote Nunez. I consider it as wasting a lynch at the moment and just hoping to get someone off who can't put up a fight. I hate inactivity as much as the next guy but that's my take on it.

I wouldn't say the word "can't" put up a fight. He's choosing to not put up a fight at this point. He needs to post content or he should by lynched or vigged.

[StevieT92]

HEY SOMEONE

VOTE FOR ME

Fos: eep

don't get this at all. Post something productive, this is not it.

[StevieT92]

There's two people on Nunez, one who has made it clear I have no want to lynch Nunez, and one who hasn't.

Why is it now a lynch?

I don't think it should be our lynch TODAY, but clearly if nunez contines his pattern of posting he deserves to be killed.

[StevieT92]

Nunez is completely null to me right now. He deserves to die for not posting content, but I think there are better targets today. Sorgster still has not posted one town post. This wagon has room. I don't get the david xanatos wagon right now, i'm going to Iso him.

[StevieT92]

(1) There's like no suspicion on me. It was partly a misplaced attempt to get some suspicion. The only time it's good to have zero suspicions is if you're bulletproof or some variant. It all failed, though. I'm probably fucked.

Something seems a little out of place with the last sentence. Fucked how? you didn't exactly get wagonned to death.

[StevieT92]

what do u mean fucked then? and i'm not that suspicious of you i just want some clarification

[StevieT92]

Sorgster is straight scum! let's lynch him. He's a better lynch than DavidX. I did reread DavidX, and is his insistence on his "meta" read is pretty scummy. However that pales in comparison to voting someone based off the signup thread on DAY 2.

[StevieT92]

sorgster is town.

Why exactly? I mean you're very town but I disagree with you.

[StevieT92]

That's an incredibly obvious and crappy scum gambit, DavidX. You weren't even close to being lynched.

unvote, vote: DavidX

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fos: vifam

for letting it work on you. if david flips scum that would have interesting conclusions.

I like the attitude from sorgster's last post, but disagree with his conclusions. He's slightly less scummy to me now. I'm switching though because I think DavidX is a better wagon.

I also could get behind an AntB wagon, that list is pretty scummy, however he didn't stand out as scum to me before that and I think David is far, far, scummier.

[StevieT92]

lolwut hiraki

[StevieT92]

I have town on Vifam, Trekker, Hiraki, and yes, Sorgster.

Right now I have as scum RedFF and AntB. As weak scum TAA, nocase, and eep. AntB has the largest wagon therefore I'm going to

Vote: AntB

[StevieT92]

I wouldn't say uprising is crazy suspicious. He has managed to stay completely unnoticed by everyone though, slightly anti town read on him.

RedFF, I would think you were town if you did anything other than defend yourself and tunnel on sorgster this game. Leading the bandwagon on UD is a null tell.

[StevieT92]

I agree, I am a dick. Not mafia tho.

Lol, well who du you have a scumread on besides sorgster?

[StevieT92]

IDK who to vote, so I'm gonna wagon AntB.

vote: AntB

[StevieT92]

You know.

IF FEEL REALLY GOOD WITH THIS REDFF VOTE.

but i can change to stevie.

and only stevie.

redff is town and antb is the smelliest scum right now. why are u not voting antb.

[StevieT92]

Somebody asked for a case against AntB.

Player -> Score

0=ZOMG LYNCH! 10=Scum Hunter Elite

Vifam -> 4
redFF -> 4
sorgster -> 4
TheRainMan -> 6
TheAwesomeAll -> 4
paraffin -> 4
eep -> 6
trekker -> 4

If you're not listed, you're neutral. This is taking the d1 lynch flip into consideration.

This is his first attempt at analysis, see how he doesn't take a stand on anybody and instead is wishy washy as hell.

Last one before I sleep.

My reads jumped all over the place, and for all the interaction I had D1 I may as well be a N1 replacement. I'll admit my reads are very middle of the road and hardly even worth mentioning. But as they are, that's what they are. When I'm back from Edinburgh, you may find a case, you may not.

If you want a FoS from me so badly, it would be vifam and redff currently. redff always stinks of scum to me however and I will need to reread vifam.

Vifam and RedFF both seem very town to me, and also how would your reads not be worth mentioning? scummy

@vifam
I re-read you, nothing changed. And you've ISO'd me? srsly? lol
You'll learn I am quite a vague person. I have my own method/madness thing going on.

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The point of the list is to get you looking at players closer than you normally would and to formulate your own thoughts on them, If you really must know, 2 are town. Shift everyone by the same and they are together.

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@redff1
You were almost on that list too btw... thought you'd like to know that.

This post reeks of scum.. using vagueness to defend youself? ridiculous. Also he defends is wishy washy list by making it even more ambiguous.

If you want us to give you reasoning for YOUR scumreads you have another thing coming.

Nice threat. And its to make you look closer at the players I've mentioned...

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QFT. Someone who has something to hide, and makes it blatantly obvious that they are hiding something, is scum.

Town hide things all the time. Also scum wouldn't blatantly hide something. The only thing I'm hiding is if they are town/scum. The people on that list are my strongest reads, one way or the other.

Scum will pick me off if I'm right, or try and and frame me if I'm wrong. All I'm doing is making them think.

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No surprise at the redFF vote

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Anyone voting me for that list needs to step back and use their brains and really think about it.

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Self-voter ¬_¬

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You really think if me and david were scum together we'd be happy at being the only two wagons? If it was the case, that would be epic bussing.

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Self affirming townie scum... I hate those guys.

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"I'm VT - Hey mod, can my ability hit anyone or my wagon?" - derp

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Everyone is being very vague this game.. its interesting.

David needs to be lynched, he's basically hit self-destruct and town don't do that.

Seeing as everyone is bitching about my list, I'll turn it into the scums shopping list.
TRM and Hiraki are town, the rest are probsscum. Sorgster is VI/Newbtown.
redFF is also on the list now.

You label everyone in the game except for 3 people as "probscum". Scummy. The argument about you and David not being scum together is WIFOM as hell, also looking back lynching david instead of you was a great move for the mafia. The "scum will pick me off if i'm right" is incredibly scummy.

Also, uprising is town, if she was scum she'd be all over this like a rash.

Yeah but it'll help for after I flip to see who associates who with me....

Hiraki, you better hit scum dude... UNVOTE: Vifam VOTE: redFF

Sheeping Hiraki is not pro-town.

That's my case, I picked the crappiest of his posts. He seems pretty scum to me.

Steve

[StevieT92]

I can get behind a SodaSpirit wagon.

unvote, vote: AntB

@AntB you are right that i misrepresented you on that one point, I read it out of context. As far as the rest of the case goes, I realized while reading it that it was not the strongest, however there is some stuff there that is suspicious.

[StevieT92]

I can get behind a SodaSpirit wagon.

unvote, vote: AntB

you can get behind a SodaSpirit wagon when it's obvious that AntB and Soda are not on the same scumteam?

1. I didn't notice that read. 2. It doesn't matter, the important thing is that we lynch scum today. Period. We need to get this game going in the right direction, we'll worry about the implications tomorrow.

[StevieT92]

Mod, can you prod Vifam please? He's posting in the other game that we are in but not this one.

[StevieT92]

oh, i missed his post. I be an retarded

[StevieT92]

Ebwop: Also, since soda is a replacement how could this conversation have been in the qt if we were both scum?

i like how you just made a good point for your own lynch

[StevieT92]

yea sorgster brings up a point. if we were both scum we couldn't communicate during the day. Come on Uprising, you can do better than that..

that is NOT what he was saying

[StevieT92]

^the above sentiment describes me as well

unvote, vote: stringer bell

we better hit scum today

[StevieT92]

unvote, vote: sodaspirit17

[StevieT92]

Cool now what's your reason for that senseless vote.

because your exchange with hiraki shows that you are clearly scum.

[StevieT92]

trekker is just scumhunting and good at it unlike 90% of this game (including me unfortunately). and that looks scummy to me that you think he softclaimed

[StevieT92]

@sodaspirit .. please full claim .. saying "doc i need protection" doesn't clear you at all, and the scum are already on to you. So please just full claim, so that if you're town we can move onto greener pastures, namely uprising

[StevieT92]

unvote, vote: stringer bell

[StevieT92]

unvote, vot: sodaspirit

. open and shut baby.

[StevieT92]

unvote, vote: Stringer Bell

... we have very little chance of winning this game, let's hope this is the right target.

[StevieT92]

unvote, vote: theawesomeall

i don't like how he claimed vig unprompted, seems like a scum play to me.

[StevieT92]

Basically once we're in lylo you just quickhammer, whoever wins beyond that doesn't bother you as long as you live.

I was sure I dropped a vote earlier... Well I'm set to hammer, any objections?

yes, hiraki asked not to quicklynch him so he can post some analysis. wait for him to do so.

[StevieT92]

vote: eep

[StevieT92]

i think its IRL issues with vifam, he hasn't been posting much in my other game.

[StevieT92]

i disagree ... we don't need to give the scum any help on who to shoot at this point, and i don't see us necessarily catching scum right away

[StevieT92]

@battousi sorgster sucks at this game, but he is town. also @eep nice omgus, good job confirming that you are in fact scum.

lets lynch eep everybody!

[StevieT92]

not every counter-vote is an omgus.

ur right - but look at your reason for voting me. You're voting me because I think massclaiming is a bad idea. There's nothing scummy about that in the least. so if you are voting for me for a bullshit reason that is clearly an omgus. now die scum.

@trekker what are your thoughts on eep?

[StevieT92]

Why don't I want to massclaim? Because scum can blend in easily in a game with so many VTs, and giving them a list of who to shoot isn't exactly going to help our chances.

[StevieT92]

you should be posting votes for eep.

[StevieT92]

i'm laughing my ass off at sorgster's reads.

[StevieT92]

@vifam man up and vote for eep. he's obvscum.

[StevieT92]

i'm laughing my ass off at sorgster's reads.

I would be interested in knowning why.

Because you just listed some of the more townie players in the game? This makes me think you're more likely to be scum, don't wanna list any of your scumbuddies?

[StevieT92]

i'm laughing my ass off at sorgster's reads.

I would be interested in knowning why.

Because you just listed some of the more townie players in the game? This makes me think you're more likely to be scum, don't wanna list any of your scumbuddies?

I just re-read, and i'm an idiot. I woulda sworn he listed different people..I thought he had vifam and trekker on the list. I have Stringer bell and AntB as my other scum.

[StevieT92]

I am a vanilla townie

[StevieT92]

I'm a

Town Rolecop.

claim results. now.

[StevieT92]

unvote, vote: stringer bell

[StevieT92]

He's obv scum sorgster.

[StevieT92]

STRINGER BELL IS BY FAR THE LYNCH TODAY, IF HE FLIPS TOWN THEN OUR MAIN SCUM CANDIDATE IS CONFIRMED, OTHERWISE HE IS TOMORROW. LOOK AT HIS FAKE TARGETS, ALL VT'S AND MOSTLY DEAD - THAT IS DEFINITELY BULLSHIT. A VOTE FOR ANYONE BESIDES STRINGER BELL IS TANTAMOUNT TO A SCUM CLAIM.

[StevieT92]

OUR DEADLINE IS SOOON! DO NOT LET THE SCUM DRIVE A DIFFERENT LYNCH. VOTE STRINGER NOW EVERYBODY OR WE'RE GONNA FUCKIN LOSE

[StevieT92]

vote: eep

[StevieT92]

Stevie, it's between me or battousai. Get off eep, please.

but he's certainly scum. and i'm thinking about u vs. batt don't worry, i will weigh in on that soon.

[StevieT92]

unvote, vote: Battousai

I'm more likely to believe uprising than Batt for a lot of reasons. Batt's claim was kinda fishy to begin with, and I've been getting a moderate scumread off Batt the whole game. Uprising hasn't been completely town to me, but she is certainly less scummy than Batt.

@Eep you make me laugh a lot.

[StevieT92]

hi

hi, claim your results before I start thinking you're the fourth member of the Batt - Eep - SB scumteam.

[StevieT92]

unvote

[StevieT92]

vote: Battousi

[StevieT92]

LMAO eep you never fail to crack me up trying to make a case on me. what uprising said was a valid town point.

[StevieT92]

Only way for stevie to be scum is for trekker to be scum.

nope. rolecop only gets pr info, not alignment. mafia goons would come up as vanilla townies.

otherwise that role would be incredibly overpowered.

that is simply not true. again i laugh at your attempts to discredit me .. just because I know you are scum, you can make it a little less obvious.

[StevieT92]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[StevieT92]

vote: trekker

caught in a lie

[StevieT92]

I'm willing to bet the game that's there's not a mafia framer which is the only possible way Trekker is town..more likely that he's just scum. I mean shit, if town is able to roll off 4 str8 scum lynches to win the game that would be incredible, we're gonna have to take some risks if we have a shot.

[StevieT92]

vote:eep

I don't see the reason to No lynch. Besides the fact that I know who the scum is (its eep)..you're probably going to be killed tonight, as you look the most townie out of anyone left. Then it's down to me, AntB, and eep. So the entire town is resting on AntB's shoulders to decide who is town and who is scum. That's not exactly a situation I am confident in to win.

Who do you think is scum? And if you don't buy my case look at Strginer Bell and trekker's interactions with scum. Also trekker's tunneling on AntB makes me think antb is more likely to be town.

[StevieT92]

ebwop: stringer bell and trekker's interactions with eep.

also if you can't tell pine the previous post is addressed to you.

[StevieT92]

although thinking about it, if I end up in the 3-way... I'm probably going to be boned.

exactly, why don't we just lynch eep and have an early victory parade. what do we gain by no lynching? nothing at all, we're not gonna get any more info since we already mass claimed.

[StevieT92]

@eep I do not need to defend myself. If pine and AntB are confused as to my town credibility, they can look at Day 5. That simply is not a scum play.

[StevieT92]

don't care ... because i know from 70 pages eep will be able to cherry pick quotes to make me look scummy

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Re-read, and trekker was tunneling on Stringer Bell, not AntB. That is my mistake. AntB was tunneled on a lot in this game but it was not by Trekker and he could be the last scum instead of eep. Eep what do you think about antb?

In my re-read I also found this little gem for you guys:

eep and Stringer Bell are partners.

Trekker is a known busser on Stringer Bell, and his other main scum suspect was eep. This isn't a lock but it certainly is something to think about.

[StevieT92]

im also gonna

unvote

for now

[StevieT92]

1148 is enough to make me do this:

Unvote
Vote: Stevie

I find it hard to believe he was bussing both of his partners. Typically, you bus one to establish credibility and ride that to several mislynches.

I had thought about that actually...and it certainly has made me think that eep could be town..hence why I'm considering antb more heavily.

[StevieT92]

and this game has crawled to a halt again. sigh

[StevieT92]

pine is definitely town.. is the fact that antb doesn't see that a scumtell?

[StevieT92]

Lolno. Skepticism in the face of overwhelming public opinion and near-proof is a Towntell. Scum right now needs to lynch someone, anyone. There's about zero chance it's me. Antscum would definitely stayed away from suspicion of me and been on Stevie like white on rice. It's Stevie.

you're misreading - antb is happy not to take a stand imho and play the "im suspicious of everyone" card, and sit back and let us decide who to mislynch.

vote:AntB

[StevieT92]

ONCE EEP VOTES ME, ANTB WILL BE ABLE TO WIN THE GAME YOU IDIOT! DONT LET THE SCUM LURK TO VICTORY. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[StevieT92]

seriously look at day 5. we were in mylo possibly and the town was incredibly divided on who to lynch. I drew attention to Stringer Bell's blatant scumminess in his claim. WHY WOULD I DO THAT AT THAT POINT WHERE I COULD INSTANTLY WIN JUST TO TRY AND APPEAR TOWNIE 3 DAYS AND 3 OF MY BUDDIES LYNCHES LATER? IM NOT THE FUCKING SCUM YOU IDIOT.

[StevieT92]

He's been around since the opening was made. If he'd jumped onto Stevie with little caution, I might be looking at him. Same if you had. But neither of you did, so I believe that to be an affirmation that I'm correct.

THIS IS IDIOTIC BECAUSE SCUM WILL ALWAYS WAIT TO HAMMER.

[StevieT92]

SHUT THE FUCK UP IF I GET LYNCHED AND LOSE THIS GAME AFTER PULLING OUT 3 SCUM LYNCHES I WILL NEVER FUCKING FORGIVE MYSELF. AND I DONT CARE IF U BELIEVE ME OR NOT. FUCKING ISO ME GODDDAMNIT. FUCKING. ISO. ME. IM. NOT. THE. FUCKING. SCUM.

[StevieT92]

PINE I SEE YOU POSTING IN OTHER GAMES GET YOUR ASS IN HERE

[StevieT92]

vote for antb.

[StevieT92]

also in case anyone was wondering pine is now confirmed town for not hammering antb.

[StevieT92]

FUCKING ISO ME AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[StevieT92]

DUDE I KNOW ANTB IS SCUM... I DONT NEED TO FURTHER SHIT. ISO ME SO YOU CAN FUCKIN BELIEVE THAT IM NOT SCUM .. OR LISTEN TO EEP DUMBASS

[StevieT92]

the point u brought up about trekker bussing stringer bell to mislynch eep made a lot of sense with me. also i've liked eep's posting today, i'm getting a town vibe off of her now that i wasn't really getting before. also antb has been scummy the whole game and his posting today is INCREDIBLY scummy. that's why i changed my mind. am I allowed to do that? or do you think that is scummy too just like everything else i do

[StevieT92]

Cool, let's hope we are right.

[StevieT92]

I am in fact a townie lol..let's hope eep hasn't fooled us.

[StevieT92]

god. damnit.

[StevieT92]

sucks that I had the scum team figured out, and that we could've clutched it out.

I also have to blame the first few lynchees for this loss, what the hell guys. That was a sad showing as townies.

Also I was against the mass claim but I didn't think the scum were going to bungle it as hard as they did. If they would've all claimed VT like I thought they would they would've won much earlier. I don't think we would've EVER lynched trekker without him being caught in that lie.

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Also I have to tip my hat to eep, she did a VERY good job on the last day.