Open 358: Mayo Clinic ÔÇô Game Over

[DJPON3]

Scratch that, I just realised Lynching any of the vig claims is a bad idea...>__> cause with 2 left you Still don't know who's the real vig lol

"Oh, wait, shit, what am I doing! Don't lynch any one of us three! It's a bad idea, or something..."

[bionicchop2]

Bionic (and Haze for that matter). How do we know whisper is not the one fakeclaiming?

Did you not read the post directly above yours? The one where I voted Haze and said why I believe whisper isn't faking. Do you really think she took the time to map out a plan for 2 vigs when she knew there would be 3+ claims?

[Whiskers]

Even better plan, fitz: Lynch a vig. If correct (lynch fake), dance. If incorrect, vig & fake shoot each other. Dance.

Then, with a game of all docs+mafia, we just protect the next player on the list. Whomever is open to get killed means the doc

nvm, means the doc got cockblocked.
idfk, do whatever.

[DJPON3]

Whiskers, we want to avoid killing our vigs.

You so random.

[whispersilk]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: haze

There is no way whisper took the time to put together a plan she knew was never going to be used since she would be counterclaiming as mafia.

To be honest, the plan took 5 minutes. I didn't really think scum/SK would fake claim...but I was kinda hoping they would.

[whispersilk]

Bionic (and Haze for that matter). How do we know whisper is not the one fakeclaiming?

Since whisper seems rationale...whisper, is there any reason we should belive your claim over Bionic's and Haze's?

Other than I'm going to present a plan that will either force the fakie to kill where we say or risk outing themselves? Other than I was the one that suggested a massclaim as the only viable option save both vigs and to prevent 4 needless and non-informative kills overnight? Other than I totally kicked the last game's ass, and I'm kinda obsessed with proving that this new improved setup is still flawed?

No, not really.

As I think I mentioned earlier...even with a fakeclaim in the mix, if we focused on hitting the fakeclaiming vig we would have the same odds (1 in 3) as if we had not done any claiming and were just doing normal scumhunting.

Only difference is...if we try to hit the fakeclaimer and we're wrong, we have a hundred percent chance of losing a vig. At least if we were doing normal scumhunting a mislynch wouldn't necessarily cost us a vig. In fact...it would be better to do normal scumhunting outside of the fakeclaimers because while the odds are the same (1 in 3) that we would hit scum...the odds are 100% that it wouldn't be a vig.

So today will be a no lynch or a lynch outside of the 3 claimed vig's for me.

We are not going to take that chance, especially when we can now use that third vig to out benefit.

VOTE: no lynch

[Whiskers]

I don't understand how it forces the 3rd vig to do anything...
Like, you control the shot and if he doesn't, lynch him? Or...?

Anyway, VOTE: No lynch

[fatlikepig]

Don't hammer the no lynch yet, we still need the other players to claim to draw up the plan.

[whispersilk]

Before, we knew that there would be two scum shots, but we had no way of directing those shots other than giving them a pool of unprotected docs to aim at. And their kills would not really tell us much. NOW THO, we have one of those kills to direct, and we can use it to our benefit, and get info out of it. If the fakie is the SK, then he doesn't really care who he kills, as long as he's offing someone.

[whispersilk]

@mod: prods on the two awol players please, and a vote count.

[BBmolla]

Whisper what are we supposed to do Night Action wise?

[kdowns]

I am a Docter

Sorry I was stuffing my fat ass with food all day yesterday.

[whispersilk]

Whisper what are we supposed to do Night Action wise?

I'll post the new plan, we can look it over, make sure everyone understands what it all means and what they should be doing, and then I'll post all the night actions.

Just waiting on the last claim.

[daftnarwhal]

Bionic (and Haze for that matter). How do we know whisper is not the one fakeclaiming?

Did you not read the post directly above yours? The one where I voted Haze and said why I believe whisper isn't faking. Do you really think she took the time to map out a plan for 2 vigs when she knew there would be 3+ claims?

By her own admission, Whisper said it didn't take long to come up with the plan, and she kinda already had one in place. I don't think coming up with the plan clears her as town. Honestly, whether or not she is scum, she has manipulated town quite thoroughly. I think that is something to be wary of.

[whispersilk]

Hey, go check out the last game. I basically did the same thing, and half of them called me scum and blah blah blah, and I ended up putting myself in a position on night 1 that meant I was killed and was out the game. I knew I was going to die, and I made sure it happened so that the rest of the town would trust, and continue the plan after I was gone... and they did. If there was a way for me to do the same in this game without dying, I would.

But heh, I just changed my alternate plan because I came up with something even better, and if when I post it, you are not convinced I'm town, then you're silly.

[daftnarwhal]

Okay, great. I'm calling you scum for sure right now, I just think it is dangerous to be trusting someone so fully, especially when that person is the only one who really knows what we're doing. And you did "basically" the same thing. You already admitted the situation is different and assumed no anti-town role would claim vig. That seems like enough of a difference to change things a lot. Obviously, you've reacted to that with a new plan, but the fact you've already done something like this before changes the situation a lot. Nothing in your post makes me think that you're any more town than before.

[Whiskers]

...Let her put up her plan...


THEN judge.

[whispersilk]

When I said I basically did the same thing, I meant I came up with a plan and pretty much presented it to the town as the only way to go forward after they all massclaimed. They had no other option but to go with the plan because everyone was fighting over what to do.

I don't really care if you don't believe I'm town.

[Haze]

Deflection.

You basically avoided the issue of the massclaim altogether. Bionic's "I want a backup plan in case of a third vig claim" looks very much like a Vig concerned that outing himself would be hurtful for town.

Haha this makes me more sure. When Bionic flips scum Fatlikepig needs to be shot.

Bionic Pushin the case hard. Locked in scum.

Why? There's no fucking way Bionic was actually concerned about town in that post. THanks for pointing it out, Fatlikepig.

It's him slipping cause he

knows

that there's going to be the 3rd claim. HAH. And Fatlikepig is buttering it up.

Also It's no use now, even if I vote Bionic. I'll just get dismissed with some bullshit about OMGUS. HAH.

[Haze]

be honest, the plan took 5 minutes. I didn't really think scum/SK would fake claim...but I was kinda hoping the

hardcore buddying up to whisper here too.

[Quilford]

Oh, hi.

I'm a doctor.

Seems like we have three counterclaims. I think no lynch is the best idea in this situation. More later, hopefully.

[Quilford]

Also I really wouldn't be surprised if whispersilk was scum but I need to ISO Haze.

Definitely believe bionicchop's claim, though.

[Whiskers]

there's my fos.

[Haze]

On who, whisker?

Quil, why are you so sure of Bionic's claim?

[Haze]

Bionic (and Haze for that matter). How do we know whisper is not the one fakeclaiming?

Did you not read the post directly above yours? The one where I voted Haze and said why I believe whisper isn't faking. Do you really think she took the time to map out a plan for 2 vigs when she knew there would be 3+ claims?

wait I just realised what a fail #419 is. lol This is the buddying post. My bad.