Mini 1310: I Got My Eye On You Mafia (Game Over!)

[IceGuy]

VOTE: DeltaWave

[IceGuy]

The miller claim itself indicates that he is very likely town.

Why?

You shouldnt be relying on night actions anyways because if there are lots of cops there are definitely lots of crazy/insane/other types of cops.

Good point.

What would y'all think about everyone investigating the same person tonight and claiming the results the next day?

[IceGuy]

I didn't get a prod.

[IceGuy]

Nothing going on, waiting for replacements.

[IceGuy]

Korlash, you're playing to your title here.

[IceGuy]

Let me ask you then Iceman, do you disagree that the attacks on you coincided rather nicely with the decrease of pressure on V2V? Do you think the attacks on you were both valid and justified? Do you have any reason to feel those that attacked you are possible scum? I'm too lazy to crack the pages back open and look for myself what your reaction was so I'll just ask.

I have no recollection what happened there, and I can't access the file on Mediafire.

[IceGuy]

The fact ActionDan immediately attacks me with extreme fervor when I attacked Korlash is ... interesting.

[IceGuy]

I remember the v2v fakehammer (in enough detail I can reach conclusions about it), but not the attacks on me.

[IceGuy]

Funny... I mean, no disrespect, but normally attacks against one's self tend to be the easiest to at least remember the overall feel of it.

Yeah, I remember they were bullshit as usual.

[IceGuy]

Could you claim what your Miller role actually implies (everything you know from the role PM)?

[IceGuy]

I'll turn up as a mafia goon if I get investigated. That's the important part.

Anything else?

[IceGuy]

Could somebody make the rescued pages available again?

[IceGuy]

You know what?

I have enough of this.

Let's just fucking end this day already. I prefer a DW lynch (because I definitely don't want him around in LyLo), but I'd be OK with replacee lynch.

Tonight, we'll all investigate the same person. This roll will determine whom (number in player list):

Original Roll String: 1d13

1 13-Sided Dice: (13) = 13

A spare in case we lynch that one:

Original Roll String: 1d13

1 13-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

[IceGuy]

@IG: so Glass? With ActionDan as a backup? This is using the list VM had on page one.

Yes.

[IceGuy]

inability(not that harsh, but I can't think of any other word)

It's not inability. There can be reasons why you don't want to say everything.

Think he is stupid for claiming miller, but DW is a bit of a derp to start. One of those who is just useful enough to stop everypony from policy lynching him.

No, claiming miller on D1 is actually the optimal strategy.

Please claim your exact role including flavor.

[IceGuy]

I was already suspicious when he first claimed miller, his later claim confirmed my suspicions.

[IceGuy]

His exact claim.

[IceGuy]

Because you're rolefishing.

[IceGuy]

Still rolefishing.

[IceGuy]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: CSL

(L-1)

[IceGuy]

To end this day. We're running in circles.

[IceGuy]

Deadline is in (expired on 2012-04-05 15:06:38)

Why you should vote CSL, abridged.

[IceGuy]

No.

[IceGuy]

Tonight, we'll all investigate the same person. This roll will determine whom (number in player list):

Original Roll String: 1d13 (STATIC)

1 13-Sided Dice: (13) = 13

A spare in case we lynch that one:

Original Roll String: 1d13 (STATIC)

1 13-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

VOTE: malthusis

[IceGuy]

IceGuy was going to get negative attention no matter what because he's been playing like absolute shit.

I must confess I'm not really invested/content with this game, especially with the rollback.

Saying "Korlash is town" because of the result is naive. Clearing/lynching anybody because of a result is naive in this game, actually.

We've already seen two miller claims, at least one of them is genuine. There's probably a bunch of investigation-fucking roles like framer, miller, godfather, ninja, etc.

Also bolstering my IceGuy suspicion is KNOWING that he has a really good mind for theory and gamebreaking and that he STILL thinks his "everyone investigate the same person" thing is a good idea.

Just because you don't see the reason for it doesn't mean it wasn't a good idea.

If somebody is scum here, it's OmNom. He's been jumping all over wagons yesterday, never missing a chance to rolefish. I'm also sure at least one of DW/RD fakeclaimed miller, but with the flips I'm not confident any more that it's DW.

@Mod: please update OP with current player list and replacements. I've lost track of who replaced whom.

[IceGuy]

I wasn't rolefishing, I was just trying to get a lynch. I never even asked for a claim.

Not directly, no.

Also the fact you suddenly accuse me out of nowhere after I vote you is kinda suspicious (though it could be a coincidence).

Now you're backpedaling in the same post you're making outrageous claims?

[IceGuy]

Well, I could argue that because you think I'm scum, you want to lynch me. And because you want to lynch me, it means you want me to claim. Which means you are indirectly rolefishing too.
Isn't is funny how this works?

No.

Also since I'm supposedly scum, why haven't you voted me (or anyone else) yet?

Currently no point in doing so. I'm still waiting for everybody to check in.

[IceGuy]

What is the point in waiting for everyone to check in? I am scum aren't I? Is someone going to convince you otherwise?

You're probably scum, not 100% confirmed scum.

[IceGuy]

So DW and RD are the same slot, but had different claims?

Fuck that. Lynch it with fire.

VOTE: RainbowDash

[IceGuy]

I guess you haven't been looking lately. Read the 3rd post.

Yeah, I generally expect that information to be in the first post, especially if there is something in there that looks like it.

Shit's messed up and I can't edit it. Otherwise the title'd say Day 2 begins.

[IceGuy]

I got a guilty on OmNom and iStark is a vanilla townie. Amrun was visited tonight by BBMolla and/or a protective ability and RD went to see Lopsy and/or did nothing. I hid behind Korlash and JK'd ActionDan. Luckyjt does not carry a gun.

[IceGuy]

Amrun, I had already suspected you from the beginning of the day, when you posted this:

VOTE: IceGuy

I re-read overnight and decided I was wrong about Korlash. He's town; we just don't see eye to eye.

This is a fucking obvious cop breadcrumb if I've ever seen one - you can make this kind of thing much less obvious. Only when RD called you out in #458 you posted your result in #465 and claimed you forgot your claim, which I'd probably buy if you had claimed before the crash, but your claim was only a few days ago.

Now you're explaining your reason for not immediately fullclaiming, and it reads dodgy as fuck. You made a non-full claim to prevent counterclaiming? You just could've said something "yeah, I'm a cop, which is probably not surprising giving the flavor".

To me, this reads more like you claimed something vague so you can fill in the blanks as you go, went the easiest route when pressured to fullclaim (you can easily make up results as scum, and due to the theme a counterclaim wouldn't mean much). When Day 2 started, you forgot you had already fakeclaimed, and tried to set up an obvious breadcrumb so the claim you thought you'd prepared for later would look more believable.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Amrun

[IceGuy]

Not sure if I'm wrong on Amrun, or she's just good at bussing.

[IceGuy]

Of course it was an obvious cop breadcrumb. It was supposed to be obvious.

What's the point of an obvious cop breadcrumb when you can just claim the results?

I didn't want any premature counterclaims, which would probably come from town, AND I wanted to try and entice the scum into nightkilling me.

How would a non-full claim entice scum into nightkilling you when a full claim would?

And why did you want to entice scum into nightkilling you, seeing as you claim to be a Cop which is probably the most valuable investigative role?

[IceGuy]

Im town but I told you to lynch me. Lets go on with this lynch.
Now when I die and get confirmed as town can someone investigate Amrun just to be on the sure. Then we can confirm his investigation. If there is a doc I suggest to protect Amrun because if he is town, mafia will try to kill him tonight. Let them waste their kill. Last one on the wagon will most likely be scum. If someone tries lynching me for a dumb reason I suggest Amrun to investigate them if he is town, but do what you want with the investigation.

lynch luckyjt

[IceGuy]

Welp.

Amrun and OmNom seem to be something like conftown, but with unconfirmed sanities.

UNVOTE:

To be honest, I can't really say anything regarding Amrun's result. While it's sketchy as hell she apparently got a tracker/watcher result of some kind along with her cop investigation, and that result shows something that didn't actually happen AND she didn't claim it immediately, the mod confirmed her as town so she probably isn't lying.

[IceGuy]

Not sure if I'm wrong on Amrun, or she's just good at bussing.

Can this get explanied a little more?

Lucky was suspect, but Amrun's attacks on him seemed genuine.

[IceGuy]

You never answered why you suddenly dropped pushing my lynch despite how I apparently contradicted DW or something like that.

Because it seemed less likely on re-read, and there were other, more promising targets.

[IceGuy]

You never answered why you suddenly dropped pushing my lynch despite how I apparently contradicted DW or something like that.

Because it seemed less likely on re-read, and there were other, more promising targets.

Which at this point are?

Since Amrun and OOTM are mod-confirmed town, none at the moment.

[IceGuy]

IceGuy, our sanities are also confirmed.

How?

[IceGuy]

L-1 claim time

Is there somebody willing to hammer?

[IceGuy]

VT.

[IceGuy]

VT.

You sorta-counterclaimed a miller as VT?

If it was taken as a counterclaim, this was not my intention.

[IceGuy]

Now I'd be really, really interested in the explanation of the incident, and why Amrun was fakeclaiming.

I must say I'm a bit disappointed at the setup, first when I got my VT role PM and now when I see the entire setup. From how I interpreted the announcement, (almost) every town player would get some kind of (weak) investigation role, but actually it was just two (or three?) run-of-the-mill investigative roles on town's side, and no role to modify investigations on scum's side.

So, my apologies to Voidedmafia and the players for not playing very well, but especially after the crash I wasn't able to find a good approach to the game. My "everybody-investigates-the-same-person" suggestion as well as the RD "counterclaim" was an attempt to get NK'd as a supposed power role, as scum was going to figure out from a VT flip there are VTs.

[IceGuy]

Amrun:

It said something about IceGuy killing malthusis and his badge. I looked for Korlash's badge (but notably, seemed to have problems finding it?) and Korlash's apartment thing was messy.

I thought this was a fakeclaim of yours.

[IceGuy]

In other news, I think I know who RBAN28 is.

[IceGuy]

Read the flavor I got.

Yeah, now I'm aware of that.

After I flipped town cop, why would you still think this? lol

That's why I was so confused. You don't expect the mod to write such ambiguous flavor.

[IceGuy]

Yeah miller claimed which I didnt like since I think miller should NOT claim miller but thats a different thing entirely.

Why?