Open 366: Weak M.D. - Game Over

[Lord Mhork]

DeasVail, Alicewondering has been hovering under the radar the entire game! Would I have wasted my credit going after IceGuy if I were scum? Notice how Alicewondering has avoided giving any real strong opinions. He hasn't spearheaded a lynch. He's just sat there. Not only that, but he claimed to have my as a rather strong townread, yet didn't vote the logical last scum. That is scummy. Plus, him not voting you implies that he thought me as scummy, yet he only put a vote on me when it was clear that I wasn't going to vote you. His recent actions have all been major scumslips!!! I'll show you!

[DeasVail]

It will probably take a week for that to happen. No need to worry

[DeasVail]

^regarding my vote

[DeasVail]

Mhork: If Alice is scum, why don't you trust me to realise it?

[DeasVail]

Alice, regarding the backup of the original thread, is there a way to view it with names?

(It's not a big deal as I can do it by join dates. Just wondering)

[Lord Mhork]

One does not simply lie down and leave it up to Alice throwing together fake evidence. Everything today has been Alice scum. It's not that I don't trust you, it's that I need to fight whatever mud Alicewondering throws my way. I'm almost done.

[DeasVail]

I would expect you not to trust me.

[Lord Mhork]

Wait, also when IceGuy was lynched, why did you say that you thought it wasn't over, DV?

Here Alicewondering makes an attempt to throw suspicion on you from yesterday's end. He was going to use this as his weapon of choice to win me over.

Fascinating... Alicewondering, how are you feeling?

Such a vague question. Rephrase, please, so I can actually answer.

Wait, also when IceGuy was lynched, why did you say that you thought it wasn't over, DV?

^ This still applies, DV. Answers please.

Again, pushing his crutch.

Lord M, if you're town, unvote before DV quickhammers.

Clearly is not a nervous townie. Plus Alicewondering should have voted you if he/she/it were afraid of you quickhammering. Quickhammering implies you're scum, and thus I'm town. If I'm obvtown, he/she/it should vote you. They did not, showing fatal indecisiveness. QED

Alicewondering, I'm sorry. DeasVail is the townier between you two. Issue was killing pinkfloyd, methinks. I was all set to plow through his lynch...

Plus you didn't return my vote

Obv-Scum

Lord M, why would I vote at all on you? I think you are town (though recent posts are giving me pause), and voting you only gives scum opportunity to quickhammer.

Thinks I'm, therefore you must still be scum. He/she/it does not vote you, though, because he/she/it doesn't know which of us would be easier to convince to vote the other. He still says quickhammer, which shows conviction that you are scum. This simply does not make sense.

DV, answer my question.

Still trying to convince me that you are scummy based on yesterday, despite the fact that you are still confirmed town. Scum typically don't like to change there plans, for I'm sure that Alicewondering prepared this great speech as to how you are obvscum.

DeasVail, look at Alicewondering's reaction to my vote. There's no urgency, no passion, no will to fight what he thinks is the end. He's caught scum.

PEdit:
So you think DeasVail is scum? Why aren't you voting him then? You're scum caught in a bind here.

(though recent posts are giving me pause)

Busy WTFing because I no longer trust my read on you. Stop fabricating crap. What did you want in a reaction to your vote? Multiple exclamation marks? There is no need to hastily vote in Lylo. I've lost too many games like that.

Pedit: I can't believe I was so wrong about you. VOTE: Lord Mhork. Die scum, and stop trying to manipulate DV.

Have I mentioned how fake this post is? He no longer trusts his read in me, even though my alignment should have been clear the moment you didn't hammer. The he shows indignation--how dare I vote for him?! Voting hastily is not part of his solid plan! Finally, he throws in an obviously forced 'die scum die, stop manipulating DeasVail!' Look how that's tacked on as a PEdit! Again, my alignment should have been obvious to him if he were town.

Alice :O I thought

I

was town!

What happened?

POE, because of your last post yesterday.

Still has to mention why he thought you were scummy, in case he could talk me down from him.

Any questions here, DeasVail? Seems fairly straightforward to me...

PEdit:
Damn right I trust you. You're confirmed town. I'd be more wary of Alicewondering, who's still holding you at arm's length because he/she/it still can't decide if you'd be an easier lynch than I would.

[DeasVail]

Hmm, I agree with the fake part. I'm not sure what to make of the *not realising I'm conftown* part yet.

[Alicewondering]

Also, check out where Alicewondering says there's no reason to vote hastily. I didn't vote hastily, Alicewondering is just panicking because he didn't have time to set up manipulation. He was clearly going to turn me on you to swing in a glorious win. You saw all that "Answer my question, DeasVail " stuff, yeah?

Notice how your case is filled with all sorts of speculation. I refer to voting hastily in response to myself. I don't want to vote hastily.

Fascinating... Alicewondering, how are you feeling?

What was Lord M hoping to gain out this question? I speculate that he wanted to gauge my reads to figure out which one of us he needed to convince first.

FASCINATING that he took a look at this

I'm pretty sure I'll be voting Alice here.

I'll work out questions I want to ask and have a bit of a read-through soon though.

and voted me, despite having me as a townread almost the entire game. Does not seem like a town train of thought.

Yeah, Alicewondering, I think we got you...

I don't like LyLo, gah!

VOTE: Alicewondering

Also, you want to talk about fake, Lord M? Look in the mirror--I see that buddying with plural pronouns. Purpose of the bolded? I don't know, but I don't have a good gut feeling about it.

One example of one of the many misreps Lord M has undertaken today:

Last two posts. "Lord Mhork, you're scum!" "DeasVail, you're scum because of yesterday :nods:"

I was addressing DV's question, explaining why I initially thought him to be scum. Obviously, this completely changed with Lord M's posting. I get the feeling that his whole case on me is somewhat of a joke.

DeasVail, Alicewondering has been hovering under the radar the entire game!

If now where a time to lynch all liars, this would be it. ARE YOU KIDDING ME LORD M? YOU CONSTANTLY DECLARED ME A TOWNREAD. There is no way that I was under your radar all the times you listed me as town.

Notice how Alicewondering has avoided giving any real strong opinions. He hasn't spearheaded a lynch. He's just sat there. Not only that, but he claimed to have my as a rather strong townread, yet didn't vote the logical last scum. That is scummy. Plus, him not voting you implies that he thought me as scummy, yet he only put a vote on me when it was clear that I wasn't going to vote you. His recent actions have all been major scumslips!!! I'll show you!

That is also false. I suppose you've forgotten about how I accused Umbrage/Sorgster quite extensively of being scum? I was certainly pushing my case on them, particularly Sorgster. Spearheading a lynch doesn't make you town. You don't get town credit for pursuing the other counterwagon when your head is on the chopping block, Lord M.

Lord M, I've explained MULTIPLE times that I do not want to vote hastily in Lylo. I've obviously been wrong before, and voting without carefully considering everything, or at least hearing DV's response to my question, would have been stupid, because I had been feeling good about DV up to the his last post on D3. I put a vote on you when I saw DV did not quickhammer.

I've actually never seen this much misrepping in my life. This is quite clearly a fabricated effort to snatch away an easy town victory.

It will probably take a week for that to happen. No need to worry

That is very good to hear.

Alice, regarding the backup of the original thread, is there a way to view it with names?

(It's not a big deal as I can do it by join dates. Just wondering)

Unfortunately, there is not. ): Sorry. I know it's annoying to read.

Pedit:

Here Alicewondering makes an attempt to throw suspicion on you from yesterday's end. He was going to use this as his weapon of choice to win me over.

Wrong again. I wanted DV's answer so I could make a final decision on who I thought was scum.

Hmm, I agree with the fake part. I'm not sure what to make of the *not realising I'm conftown* part yet.

It basically has to do with you posting before I finished typing my post. I didn't read your post till a bit later. Check the time stamps. All those posts basically happened at the same time, and I was in a hurry to post before the game was lost. Post 39 is when I finally saw your post.

[Lord Mhork]

Two townreads at this LyLo, Alicewondering, but DeasVail was the much,

much

stronger one. Sorry, pal...

[DeasVail]

LM, at the very start of the day, can you explain what made you sure (i.e. What made Alice scum? or what made me town?)

[Lord Mhork]

Well, there was no way in

hell

I thought you scum, DeasVail. You have, by and large, been my biggest townread for the entire game. Again, I came here preparing to fight tooth and nail to get pinkfloyd that noose. When he turned up dead, that left Alicewondering, who had been nagging at the back of my mind. I really did not like his response to my very vague question, so I took a leap of faith and it turned out very correct. I love Alicewondering's panicked response.

[Alicewondering]

Dude, your buddying is painfully obvious. And stop lying. You listed me as a townread almost the whole game. There's no way you would have done that if I were nagging at the back of your mind.

[Lord Mhork]

What do you mean buddying, Alicewondering? What does that have to do with anything? Buddying relies on forming a connection so that he'd get lynched if I were to flip scum. You're just flailing and throwing buzz words.

And yes, yes I would list you as a town read if you were nagging. A strong one at that. You see, pinkfloyd was the obvscum one, when he flipped town, you became the new obvscum.

[Alicewondering]

Not necessarily. Buddying DV to make friends so that he'll sheep you. And you are misrepping.

Okay, Lord M, but that's not my point. My point is that you've lied and misrepped MULTIPLE times. I'm trying to make a legitimate case on you. All you're doing is making stuff up and speculating because you're scum.

[Alicewondering]

Also, to use your logic, if I were obvscum, why didn't I get your vote?

[Lord Mhork]

Um... You kinda did get my vote... That's sort of why we're at the point we're at.

And what I'm doing isn't buddying. It's simply psychology and game theory. I don't have to convince you that you're scum--you know that. I do, however, have to convince DeasVail. One cannot simply build a case on logos; one needs pathos and ethos as well. I've been establishing a much stronger ethos and pathos than you have.

Note that this obsession with logos is another scum tell. Townies are typically more disposed to emotion because uncertainty breeds

feelings

. Scum, on the other hand, know everything and, as such, are more disposed to use logic, as they know things.

[Alicewondering]

No, I meant in your first post.

I've been establishing a much stronger ethos and pathos than you have.

This is totally irrelevant.

[Lord Mhork]

Perhaps it is. I'm giving you tips for your future scum games, though. I thought we were simply discussing game theory while DeasVail makes his final decision. An argument cannot be fully based in logos. If it is, it is painfully forced and fake. Your posting is too controlled, to monitored, to be coming from a townie.

[DeasVail]

Iso of inte:

Interestingly calls out Alice for buddying. I feel that this should really indicate something, but I'm unable to go either way.

And Tebow asks inte if he thinks it is scummy or not.

Inte replies that it "might be and it might not be"

...

Overall just from the inte ISO I'm thinking Mhork is more likely scum than Alice.

[Lord Mhork]

O.o

DeasVail, you owe me good town play from Newbie 1180, pal. Talk to me. What keeps giving you this ungodly town read on Alicewondering? Please, I don't want to lose this because you go off on your own tangent. We have weeks. Let's not make a rash decision here, yeah?

[DeasVail]

Who said anything about a rash decision?

[Lord Mhork]

Sorry, it's a terrifying feeling when you have the scum nailed, yet they're on the verge of getting slipping their way into the win. Look at how Alicewondering has faded into the background. He/she/it isn't saying anything because you are playing right into them. Town would be much more invested here, I'm telling you.

[Alicewondering]

Not sure when logic suddenly became a scumtell.

Sorry, it's a terrifying feeling when you have the scum nailed, yet they're on the verge of getting slipping their way into the win. Look at how Alicewondering has faded into the background. He/she/it isn't saying anything because you are playing right into them. Town would be much more invested here, I'm telling you.

... or I dozed off and decided to take a shower to wake me up. Hey, nice try at WIFOM though. Besides, there's not much more to say. I'll answer questions that DV asks me, but if I don't have anything new to say, I won't bother spamming the thread.