Weather Mafia II (GAME OVER)

[singersigner]

I don't know what you want me to counterclaim/vote for. There's no guilty on me, so...

Unless you mean MattP's claim I'm mafia, which he was pushing for most of D1. He's either following up on that or preparing himself for a soft claim, meaning he's mafia. Though I tend not to take anything he says seriously, so I'm inclined to believe hea just following up with the only read he thinks he can get people to push today. None of his other ones took.

I honestly haven't read up on anything. But I'd like to know what out replacements have to say-especially those who replaced over night.

[Tierce]

Weather Mafia II - Day 1, single page

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@

singer

- Why is DGB town?

[kuribo]

hmmmm

singer was drunk when BB Self hammered. at the time, singer said:

Really I ahte you a lot for self-hammering cuz you fucking leave that to fucking [people who stqay a-fucking0aoucldable to their fucking votes.

[Tierce]

hmmmm

singer was drunk when BB Self hammered. at the time, singer said:

Really I ahte you a lot for self-hammering cuz you fucking leave that to fucking [people who stqay a-fucking0aoucldable to their fucking votes.

And?

[Staeg]

Weather Mafia II - Day 1, single page

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@

singer

- Why is DGB town?

thank
you

[kuribo]

hmmmm

singer was drunk when BB Self hammered. at the time, singer said:

Really I ahte you a lot for self-hammering cuz you fucking leave that to fucking [people who stqay a-fucking0aoucldable to their fucking votes.

And?

and i haven't decided if her frustration came from the perspective of a scum-buddy or the perspective of a townie that was hoping for more information based on the hammer vote


ie "i hate you for giving up and leaving me here to deal with your mess"
or
"i hate you for denying the town more information"

[Glork]

Vote Count 2.2

singersigner 4 (Shadoweh, UberNinja, Benmage, MattP)
Shadoweh 1 (Untrod Tripod)
Amrun 1 (Fate)


Not Voting 11 (Porochaz, hasdgfas, DrippingGoofball, Amrun, Thestatusquo, Yosarian2, Katsuki, Tierce, singersigner, kuribo, Staeg)

With 17 alive, it will take 9 to lynch. Deadline is set for Friday, March 30, at 6:30pm EDT.

[Benmage]

unvote vote hadgscow

I don't want to vote someone I think could only flip from one of thsuccess yet... Greatly reduces our odds of success.

[Benmage]

Wow phones rock.

That should read, from one scum team *

[Untrod Tripod]

Pretentious baiting. I couldn't have known it was a counterwagon before the flip. I thought you were scummy, BB wasn't, and I tried to get you lynched.

I understand what you mean now about Singer. At the very least you aren't scum with BBmolla. The chances of three scum wagons is also unlikely. I am saying you should tone down the attitude because blind anger is a scum tool.

Ok I'm done with you unless something really compelling happens. I know your join date is like five minutes ago and I know you have an anime avatar, but anger is a scum tool? Tone down the attitude? If you can't deal with my miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiild displays of annoyance then you need to just replace out of this game because kuribo and Fate will definitely offend your delicate sensibilities irreparably. Also free friendly advice: avoid throwing around broad generalizations like "anger is a scum tool" if you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

And if you think he's scum, then why do you want him to tone down something that you think is a scum tell?

Personally, I like it when scum drop scumtells.

UT is probably town

[Yosarian2]

Hey, I'm here.

Hmm. It's a shame that Nuwen replaced out, after the day ended yesterday I really wanted to question her for her massive defense of BBmolla.

Staeg, if you've had a chance to read the game yet, do you have any comments about your predecessor's over-the-top defense of scum?

On other notes:

I agree with UT that Shadoweh looks like a possible buddy of BBmolla based on voting patterns yesterday.

I also still think Katsuki is likely to be scum, of either kind, but especally likely to be scum with BBmolla. Yesterday Katsuki was one of my top suspects because of generally useless play and what looked to me like a really bad voting history with general quite poor justification for the poor votes. Kats looks much worse now that BB has flipped scum; it looks like at every point, Kats was trying to lynch someone else over BB, basically anyone else. First, Kats was trying to lynch me over BB (hitching his vote on the wagon driven by the double-voter without Kats giving any good reasons for the vote, like I pointed out yesterday).

Glork wrote:Vote Count 1.22
Yosarian2 5 (UberNinja, UberNinja, Katsuki, MattP, Fate)
BBmolla 4 (Amrun, Thestatusquo, Tierce, Untrod Tripod)
Katsuki 3 (BBmolla, Yosarian2, Staeg)
hasdgfas 2 (Shadoweh, singersigner)
UberNinja 2 (Porochaz, kuribo)
Tierce 1 (hasdgfas)
singersigner 1 (snifit)
Amrun 1 (Benmage)

Not Voting 1 (DrippingGoofball)

Then, when that wagon failed, Kat moved to the Amrun wagon when that was the biggest non-BB non-Kat wagon:

Glork wrote:Vote Count 1.23
BBmolla 4 (Amrun, Thestatusquo, Tierce, Untrod Tripod)
Katsuki 3 (BBmolla, Yosarian2, Staeg)
Amrun 3 (Benmage, Fate, Katsuki)
hasdgfas 2 (Shadoweh, singersigner)
UberNinja 2 (Porochaz, kuribo)
Staeg 2 (UberNinja, UberNinja)
Yosarian2 1 (MattP)
Tierce 1 (hasdgfas)
singersigner 1 (snifit)

Not Voting 1 (DrippingGoofball)

And then moved to a different large BB-coutnerwagon after that, the singersinger.

BBmolla 6 (Amrun, Thestatusquo, Tierce, Untrod Tripod, MattP, kuribo)
Untrod Tripod 5 (Shadoweh, UberNinja, UberNinja, BBmolla, Staeg)
singersigner 4 (snifit, Benmage, Fate, Katsuki)
Katsuki 1 (Yosarian2)
UberNinja 1 (Porochaz)
Tierce 1 (hasdgfas)

Not Voting 2 (DrippingGoofball, singersigner)

And stayed on it for the rest of the day.

In that last vote-count especally, both Kats and Shadoweh look bad; if Kats is scum with BB, then it's quite possible Shadoweh is also scum, and they just wanted to avoid been seen on the same wagon together.

Vote:Katsuki

Fos:shadoweh

[Tierce]

In that last vote-count especally, both Kats and Shadoweh look bad; if Kats is scum with BB, then it's quite possible Shadoweh is also scum, and they just wanted to avoid been seen on the same wagon together.

Balancing multiscum is hard.
Balancing uneven multiscum is worse.

Are you suggesting a

BBmolla

/

Katsuki

/

Shadoweh

team, with

Reck

/

???

on the other side? If it's

BBmolla

/

Katsuki

/

Shadoweh

+

Reck

/

???

/

???

, we started off with

14

:

3

:

3

. That seems a bit brutal. On the other hand, if

Henchman

=

Goon

, so far we have low-powered scum and quite a bit of assumed-town power--dayvig, limited doublevoter, conftown limited doc; a higher number of scumroles might account for this apparent townpower. Prozac Basic Theme was 20 players 14:3:3, so it wouldn't be new.

I guess I just don't want to think we may have to lynch scum 4 more times if there are no crosskills. >.>

[Yosarian2]

How good we are at balancing 20 player multiscum games is an open question. Let me just say that 14:3:3 is a pretty common setup for a 20 player game. 16:2:2 or something wouldn't surprise me either.

[Benmage]

16-2-2... are you fucking kidding me.... No way.

Towns powerful. Multiscum can kill eachother.

Its 3-3 or 4-4 even. NOT 2-2. 12-4-4 isn't impossible. 16-2-2 is.

[Benmage]

Unvote vote Yos2

In old mini's 8-2-2 was balanced. 16-2-2

[Staeg]

I don't think you can balance 12-4-4 or 16-2-2.

[Benmage]

Its pointless to go into now anyways. 12-4-4 is possible. I don't feel like going into it. 16-2-2 is impossible, thats my only point.

[Benmage]

Bah

unvote vote Katsuki

[kuribo]

Last multiball I played in, there were 3 scum apiece for 2 scumteams, a lyncher, and a serial killer.

[Staeg]

Last multiball I played in, there were 3 scum apiece for 2 scumteams, a lyncher, and a serial killer.

And there was no vig.
How many people were there, in that game?

Btw, I'm up to post... 463, I think? And this is mostly what I have so far:
BM is preeeetty scummy
SK's slight-scum
FS22's alignment=cow's alignment and leaning town
Kats is probtown
Amrun's town
Singer's scum
UN's leaning blue-scum, but no way in hell red-scum (also, fun fact, BBmolla = blue scum and reck = red scum)
Prozac's not bluescum
UT's slightly scummy

[Benmage]

^In theme'd game balance is out the window with so many swingy roles. Though I have more faith in Glork.

Anyways Kats is the play. His play matches his scum lurker play. He's clearly scum with BBmolla. The distancing is obvious there. His buddying of Reck is pretty on point with his scumplay. I had wanted to hunt for people independent of links to a single scumteam. But whateves its still a little too early in the game. I want more flips.

[Benmage]

BM is preeeetty scummy

I'll want more depth whenever you get the time.

[Staeg]

Uhh... I'm on a phone and can't even say post numbers, so that'll happen tomorrow or tuesday.

[Staeg]

Okay, I'd say that BM isn't reck's busdy after his fight sith him, but I saw reck as fairly town in that figt, so, well

[Staeg]

Okay, so you killed reck. Welp.