Weather Mafia II (GAME OVER)

[Benmage]

Am sick

[UberNinja]

What exactly IS the scum slip anyway? Because I said "they" instead of "I"? That was a typo.

[DrippingGoofball]

Scum slips are rubbish.

UberNinja is town, can we

please

lynch someone else?

Like, actual scum? Staeg, for instance, needs to dine on rope.

[Thestatusquo]

No, kondi, and I think thats pretty much a bizarre interpretation of what I said. Little faith in scum slips means I don't think saying the word they instead of I is indicative of alignment. Sometimes people just typo. Psychology as a whole is not progressed to the point where we can concretely explain how something like that happens, but it seems pretty weird to use a freudian interpretation that has been discredited in mainstream psychology for like 30 years.

In short: I do not think that someone saying something that could be perceived as coming from a scum perspective (they instead of I, not including oneself in the town) is any more likely to come from a scum player not paying attention as it is from a town player not paying attention. I think empirical evidence bares me out on this one as well. Like I have said, I have seen many more townies strung up for this kind of psycho babble hogwash than I have seen scum players.

Insofar as its really the only concrete charge I have seen leveled at UN, other than the fact that he is an annoying fuck, I am inclined to believe that it is more likely at least partially scum led taking advantage of some very easily manipulated townies, and I will place my votes accordingly.

[UberNinja]

<3 DGB and TSQ

[Amrun]

TSQ, what of his actions concerning bbm?

[Staeg]

TSQ, Tierce made a (couple of) post(s) regarding UN. They're better than the scumslip stuff.
UN, you DI say "I do not think that I'll actually get lynched," but after one vote, you're going "Okay so here's some reads since I'm obviously going to die". How come?

[Thestatusquo]

TSQ, what of his actions concerning bbm?

Please refresh me.

[Amrun]

He pretty systematically refused to vote for bbm (scum), but didn't ever raise a proper defense of him. Tierce quoted some actual examples. UN says he had a townread on BBM.

[Thestatusquo]

What makes you think that makes him more likely to be scum refusing to vote a buddy than town with a gut read?

[Amrun]

For me? Mostly gut, which isn't convincing, and a general history of bad pushes. All of his suspects are bad, and his reasons are bad, and I know he's capable of better. My gut says it's scum badpushing rather than town badpushing. In particular, I dislike his pushes on Staeg (he's totally sheeping, and poorly) and his push on Yosarian, who is obvtown to me. He doesn't seem to really believe either of them are scum and is pushing them perfunctorily.

[Thestatusquo]

I can respect that reasoning but surely you can understand why that isnt convincing to me personally.

[UberNinja]

You've seen my scum play before, haven't you Amrun?

Have I ever been at all reluctant to vote for my scum buddies? No.
So does Tierce's argument make any sense or hold any water? No.

Are you basing your "all of his suspects are bad and I know he's capable of better" on Mini 1296 where I called the scum on Day 2?
Because you should also remember how nobody listened to me, and lynched me instead? And then town went on to lose spectacularly.

kuribo is also on my wagon this game, and the reasons for voting me are JUST as horrible this game.

2+2=samesies.

[kuribo]

it's not just the scumslip

he didn't want to get on the BBM wagon
he didn't seem to know what his own role was
as he himself pointed out, he modified his behavior specifically when asked (i would say to draw less attention)
when questioned, his only defense was "scum fear me and town hate me"
he has been more than willing to call people basically confirmed towb
he said me vs. Fate was town vs. Town: this and the above are common scum tactics resulting in the fact that they can't paint everyone as scum

none of this is concrete evidence by itself, but put together, you don't even need the scumslip to see he is scum

I'm about to start the ass end of my fourth double shift in six days but in the meantime THE MOTHERFUCKING PROSECUTION RESTS

[kuribo]

oh and he's whining about being caught for the wrong reasons

[Thestatusquo]

it's not just the scumslip

he didn't want to get on the BBM wagon
he didn't seem to know what his own role was
as he himself pointed out, he modified his behavior specifically when asked (i would say to draw less attention)
when questioned, his only defense was "scum fear me and town hate me"
he has been more than willing to call people basically confirmed towb
he said me vs. Fate was town vs. Town: this and the above are common scum tactics resulting in the fact that they can't paint everyone as scum

none of this is concrete evidence by itself, but put together, you don't even need the scumslip to see he is scum

I'm about to start the ass end of my fourth double shift in six days but in the meantime THE MOTHERFUCKING PROSECUTION RESTS

How is any of this more likely to come from a scum player than a town player?

[Porochaz]

Well it appears a foregone conclusion that I'll be lynched.
So, here's my opinion on people (somewhat based on my wagon, somewhat not).

Porochaz - scummier than before...
hasdgfas - scummy all game
Shadoweh - town
DrippingGoofball - town
Amrun - not sure... leaning town
Thestatusquo - probably town
Yosarian2 - scummy
Untrod Tripod - I changed my mind. probably town
Katsuki - ??? much nothing to go on
Tierce - probably town
singersigner - not sure about, leaning scummier
Fate - probably town
kuribo - not sure about either, but worth lynching at lylo
Benmage - probably town
kondi2424 - town
Staeg - scummy

I would not lynch kondi, Shadoweh, or DrippingGoofball if you paid me.
I most prefer to lynch Staeg, Yosarian, cow, and Porochaz.

UN, you are hilarious!

[kuribo]

TSQ, do I really need to explain why scum would be likely to avoid bussing, to keep alower profile, to forget thwir own fakeclaim, to arbitrarily assign town reads, and to minimize the case against him?

I mean, your argument about llhow likely it is, could apply to most any case, but when added up: it shows a furthering of an anti town agenda

[singersigner]

@Amrun...why is "I know he's capable of being better than this" the standard you're holding him to? People have shitty games. Hell, I more often than not play like shit, but every now and then I have an awesome game...does than mean when I play like shit you can say "she must be scum because I know she's capable of being better than this"? That has nothing to do with what he's doing in the here and now until he is ACTIVELY BEING SCUMMY. Shit reads don't hold water.

Bringing me to my next point for you and Tierce...can you explain to me how Uber's shit read on BBmolla is scum protecting their buddy and not just a shit read? As I brought up with Yos in his Nuwen-defense-comment (later clarified), I felt I was pushing against a BBmolla lynch, too...what makes UberNinja different than me?
(or can someone tell me if I just didn't defend him as much as I thought? like seriously...he's the only person I remember actively defending D1...)

[UberNinja]

it's not just the scumslip

he didn't want to get on the BBM wagon
he didn't seem to know what his own role was
as he himself pointed out, he modified his behavior specifically when asked (i would say to draw less attention)
when questioned, his only defense was "scum fear me and town hate me"
he has been more than willing to call people basically confirmed towb
he said me vs. Fate was town vs. Town: this and the above are common scum tactics resulting in the fact that they can't paint everyone as scum

none of this is concrete evidence by itself, but put together, you don't even need the scumslip to see he is scum

I'm about to start the ass end of my fourth double shift in six days but in the meantime THE MOTHERFUCKING PROSECUTION RESTS

Wow kuribo, I'm impressed.

This is

almost

as good as your case against me in Mini 1296 where you replaced in and lost the whole fucking game for town by lynching ME, the only player who actually suspected the actual scum, and then went on to defend scum the entire game, and lynch townies who even dared to suspect them.

Oh wait, nope: You're a complete fucking tool, not to mention a pretentious asshole.

And the way you continue to talk about your irregular work schedule (including putting it in your sig) is proof of your need to feel a sense of self-worth and a continued appeal to the masses for some sense of approval. If you don't like that shit, find a better job asshole.

The "MOTHERFUCKING DEFENSE" rests.

[Glork]

Vote Count 2.11

UberNinja 8 (Porochaz, Amrun, Tierce, Untrod Tripod, kuribo, Staeg, kondi2424, hasdgfas)
Staeg 4 (DrippingGoofball, UberNinja, singersigner, shadoweh)
Amrun 2 (Fate, Katsuki)
Katsuki 2 (Yosarian2, Benmage)


Not Voting 1 (Thestatusquo)

With 17 alive, it will take 9 to lynch. Deadline is set for Friday, March 30, at 6:30pm EDT.

[UberNinja]

Fuck, that felt good to post.

Kuribo is an asshole who is wrong more often than not, and nobody tells him to his face what a cunt he is.

Anyway, someone hammer me now.

Fuck you, kuribo.

[Thestatusquo]

TSQ, do I really need to explain why scum would be likely to avoid bussing, to keep alower profile, to forget thwir own fakeclaim, to arbitrarily assign town reads, and to minimize the case against him?

I mean, your argument about llhow likely it is, could apply to most any case, but when added up: it shows a furthering of an anti town agenda

I think we've had this exact argument in another game. I am not arguing that there are not possible scum motivations for his actions, I am rather arguing that I don't necessarily see how those scum motivations are any more likely than possible town motivations.

[UberNinja]

Also, Amrun, if you're town, I expected better.

If you're scum though, <3 and I'll get you next time.

[UberNinja]

it's not just the scumslip

he didn't want to get on the BBM wagon
he didn't seem to know what his own role was
as he himself pointed out, he modified his behavior specifically when asked (i would say to draw less attention)
when questioned, his only defense was "scum fear me and town hate me"
he has been more than willing to call people basically confirmed towb
he said me vs. Fate was town vs. Town: this and the above are common scum tactics resulting in the fact that they can't paint everyone as scum

none of this is concrete evidence by itself, but put together, you don't even need the scumslip to see he is scum

I'm about to start the ass end of my fourth double shift in six days but in the meantime THE MOTHERFUCKING PROSECUTION RESTS

Wow kuribo, I'm impressed.

This is

almost

as good as your case against me in Mini 1296 where you replaced in and lost the whole fucking game for town by lynching ME, the only player who actually suspected the actual scum, and then went on to defend scum the entire game, and lynch townies who even dared to suspect them.

Oh wait, nope: You're a complete fucking tool, not to mention a pretentious asshole.

And the way you continue to talk about your irregular work schedule (including putting it in your sig) is proof of your need to feel a sense of self-worth and a continued appeal to the masses for some sense of approval. If you don't like that shit, find a better job asshole.

The "MOTHERFUCKING DEFENSE" rests.

And yes I realize this is hypocritical especially considering I was the one who asked the mod to ask kuribo to tone down the hateful language.

But I just don't care at this moment, sorry to the mod and other players for letting my anger get the best of me.