@Greenknight
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Strawman argument was in reference to the specific statement “Basically he doesn't get any townpoints for claiming and I view pine as mildly suspicious currently.”
You’d need to point me to the post where I indicated that Pine WAS getting Town points for his claim. Again, in
Post 784 you made the bit where you inferred it was scummy for him to be claiming a role that was speculated. I find that sort of soft assertion as suspect.
@Shadoweh
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Why did your scum-read on Zdenek ever go away.
@Feysal
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So your point is that it is completely obvious who the heads of the Hydra are to anyone with a working cranium yet are questioning why we have a funny sig? Is that what I am seeing here?
@Lord M
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See now I think you are just trolling with this response. If so good work because you already surpassed Norman in skill and effectiveness. You don’t know when the Lemon wagon originated? You can’t ISO the Mod for Vote Counts and find it yourself? Do you need to be handed everything on a silver platter?
And saying your statements are ‘Empty Townie posts’ is hardly name calling. I’m saying your posts are crafted to look like they come from Townie McTownpants (taking easy and soft positions like “Let’s be nice to each other”) but don’t actually help Town out. That’s something scum are interested in doing, not Town.
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I’m so hurt that
Haze dislikes my posting style. Your inability to type the words [p@st=866][/post] or direct quote is noted as attempts to make it more difficult to analyse your response.
Haze wrote:2. Like I said, this catch is pure coincidence and circumstancial. It's an honest mistake and obviously you're not going to be convinced since you're so shut up in your tiny pinhole vision. Your honour, this is the highest I can put it to you.
And I’ve said that I don’t believe you and think you are scum. That’s the downside when your play reads as scum to me.
Haze wrote:3. No, it's easy to fall under the radar in this game. Scum would be better off making semi-frequent posts rather than be like me and geniunely be away.
Basically what you have been doing since you first popped up after I called you out.
Haze wrote:4. Again. This is circumstancial. I didn't post in the thread when Seacore first sent me the link. A couple of days later I saw my to do list (which includes mafia games to read) and I decided to make my first post because I totally forgot about this (ie not in my Egosearch.) I hadn't even read your posts at that point. So yes, it was coincidence.
So you got a link to the new thread and chose to not bother to bookmark it (which is far superior to Egosearch in keeping up with games)?
Haze wrote:5. Looked like a wagon was going to build, as per mosts games I'm in with Norman in Day 1 before he replaces.
Oh, so you posted that there was a bandwagon on Page 2 because it looked like one would form, regardless of the fact that it didn’t. Lulz, no.
Haze wrote:6. Like I said, scum can formulate perfectly reasonable and logical arguments. Especially in a game this big with this many mislynch targets.p
In fact I tend to sound more credible as mafia because I put more effort into my posts and edit and re-edit them before I post.
It's not a read. Also for the record, your arguemnts are emotional and tunnelly.
And the fact that Scum can make logical arguments doesn’t refute the premise that Town are overwhelmingly better of as a whole if they do so themselves. Scum making logical arguments are much more likely to be caught out in bad logic and are more suspectible to giving out relational tells.
The bolded make exactly zero sense so I’m not sure what you are getting at with it.
You clearly don’t have any clue what Tunneling is if you are trying to say that we are tunnelling you.
Haze wrote:7. I didn't even call jackal for Lurking. Read. Read. Says Sheeping. Me not voting Pine was avoiding creating this cognitive dissonance, big man. I think you/Shadoweh tried calling me out for that.
Way to dodge the questions! Here is what I originally posted (so everyone can see that you are indeed dodging)
1. Care to point out why he ‘doesn’t make much sense’ instead of just making generalized fluff?
2. The irony of you calling out what is effectively one of our biggest lurkers while knocking me for calling out lurkers is not lost on me. In the fact that it’s a sign of Cognitive Dissonance.
1. You again didn’t bother to point out a single post and demonstrate why Jackal isn’t making sense.
2. Your ‘I didn’t call him out for lurking” actually makes you look even more scummy. Because in 3 above you say “Scum would be better off making semi-frequent posts”. So you are asserting that Jackal is behaving as scum logically would but then YOU DON’T EVEN CALL HIM SCUM FOR IT. Instead you throw down some generalized bullshit that you refuse to actually support.
Haze you can definitely swim in the scum pool!
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@Town
– I’d like you, before reading this (if you are going to do so) to first review
Post 866 and
Post 878. Notice all the things I showed that Zdenek blatantly does not address – his snipping selective quotes completely out of context to make his accusations and ignoring the refuting of his points with direct examples.
Zdenek wrote:
My argument against Tammy is not a meta argument. It's a she's making posts that have possible scum intent: avoiding taking stances is scummy, trying to get people to focus on others rather than doing it yourself is scummy and defending people by questioning other people's attacks on them is (somewhat) scummy. The scum intent is clear - playing like this avoids conflict while creating conflict between other players, and defending people from others attacks is buddying with the person being attacked and if the person being attacked is lynched and flips town, it increases the players credibility in the thread. Now, I am providing evidence that these are actually things that scum do, and I chose Darth Yoshi's play in that game because it bears such a close resemblance.
Well let’s be frank then – you’ve failed to make an argument that what are accusing Tammy of is more likely to come from scum. You can find pretty much any behavior in forums Mafia and find examples of Scum players doing that.
1. You’ve failed to address the fact that I showed that Tammy was taking stances and that your examples were taken out of context in a scummy fashion.
2. You’ve failed to address how I showed that Tammy was not ‘trying to get people to focus on others rather than doing it yourself”.
3. You’ve failed to show how her attacking people for suspect attacks on others is scummy or even inaccurate.
4. You’ve failed to show how she is buddying anyone.
The Town intent is also clear – to scum-hunt people making scummy attacks, scum hunt a number of players at once (very Town play).
Zdenek wrote:I was pretty specific about it being that meta argument and not meta in general, and moreover, my argument against Tammy's not a meta argument. Keep grasping MoI.
Directly linking to scum play in another game is a meta argument at it’s core (bad or good) whether you want to frame it as such or not.
Zdenek wrote:I don't care about doing that, and frankly no one does it. If you want to start holding everyone to that standard fine, but I've said what I see Tammy doing. The fact that there is scum motivation to play this way is clear, and now I've provided evidence that scum do in fact play like this.
You’ve proven 1 example of scum acting in that fashion. That doesn’t prove scum motivation reliable enough to be considered a viable scum-tell IMO.
Zdenek wrote:Personally, I don't think this is a tell, but I can see how people could come to the conclusion that is.
So it isn’t a valid tell but you wouldn’t say using it as a tell is scummy then. How’s that post feel?
Zdenek wrote:It doesn't, but rather than acknowledging her agreement with that, she decided to attack that entire argument with the blanket of it being terrible.
Please link me to this because I don’t recall seeing that behavior.
Zdenek wrote:It is a scum-tell and you're wrong.
You, so you go to “NO U!” Noted.
Zdenek wrote:I don't have to find everything that Tammy's done scummy to find some of the things that she's done scummy, and I've already said that she's started look a bit better in my eyes, but there is no chance that I am going to say that these things that she's done are not scummy.
Bullshit. You said she wasn’t taking stances. That’s a binary statement. Either she is or she isn’t. I showed how your examples were cherry-picked and not accurate. You don’t get to say “This one line shows she’s not taking stances” when I showed you how she was taking solid stances IN THE SAME POST YOU QUOTED FROM.
Now you are backtracking and trying to say “I didn’t say all her posts were scummy or that she wasn’t taking stances in all her posts, just these bits I cherry-picked to form my argument”. Scummy as hell!
Zdenek wrote:Not a town-tell.
Should I respond with a “NO, U” to this.
Zdenek wrote:It's certainly not the case that they all do.
Again, “NO U”.
Zdenek wrote:That's cute, but it's a shitty reason for you to think that she's town.
At this point I’ll just say that your opinion on what a valid tell or ‘shitty’ reason means very little to me given I think you are scum. Dislike that? Oh well.
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