New York 146 Zach's Insane Mafia World (OVER)

havingfitz · Post Post #450 (ISO) » Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:56 pm

Magua...I think you are town but that doesn't mean I have to agree with you. And just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them an idiot so please refrain from passing out ad homs...it detracts from your otherwise solid posting.

As Tammy mentioned...the fact you think red is scum but don't want to lynch him is ridiculous. If you think he's focking scum then he ain't a focking bodyguard and Alice is screwed either way. I'd rather get rid of a player whose play has been scummy and has a high probability of being the SK and avoid a two NK night. Do you not see how red is a better fit as the SK through his jailkeep (or two) instead of Tammy because Snake was a flake? FFS.....get rid of the player you think is scum.

If you [Magua] don't want to...fine....everyone else vote red please. BTW...I see the logic about red dying if Alice dies but I'd rather hit the SK now rather than after he's been allowed to make a kill BECAUSE HE FINALLY ISN'T BEING JAILKEPT! Just an opinion mind you.

BTW...for those pushing Tammy as SK because Snake was a flake...did anyone happen to notice that Snake was posting onsite (Mar 21st) while we were in N4 (Mar 20-23)? Hmmm? So much for that theory. FFS.

goodnight

Magua · Post Post #451 (ISO) » Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:22 pm

In post 450, havingfitz wrote:If you [Magua] don't want to...fine....everyone else vote red please. BTW...I see the logic about red dying if Alice dies but I'd rather hit the SK now rather than after he's been allowed to make a kill BECAUSE HE FINALLY ISN'T BEING JAILKEPT! Just an opinion mind you.

If you'd rather hit the SK now rather than later, why are you advocating a redFF lynch?

Do you think redFF-SK claimed bodyguard, knowing that it would mean he could not get to endgame alive?

Because here's what I believe: I believe that tomorrow, either redFF-town will be dead, or Alice-town will be dead and then we'll lynch redFF.
Your way simply ensures that Alice will be dead, regardless of whether redFF is town or not.

havingfitz wrote:BTW...for those pushing Tammy as SK because Snake was a flake...did anyone happen to notice that Snake was posting onsite (Mar 21st) while we were in N4 (Mar 20-23)? Hmmm? So much for that theory. FFS.

Nope, didn't notice! Let's go look!

Two posts, 11:34am and 11:35pm. Hmmmm.

Whelp, let's test a theory and ask the mod, shall we?

@Mod:

Do players receive a "It's Night X, Please Send In Any Applicable Actions"-ish PM?

Magua · Post Post #452 (ISO) » Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:23 pm

IIoA

Spoiler: D1 Vote Counts

Magua · Post Post #453 (ISO) » Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:24 pm

Spoiler: D2 Vote Counts

Magua · Post Post #454 (ISO) » Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:34 pm

havingfitz: Already disinclined to believe he's mafia from posts in this thread, further disinclined to believe it due to him and JasonT1981 both being on DeasVail at the start of D1, followd by him + I Am Innocent both being on Palisade for the end of D1.

Nobody Special - Mmmmm. Next to I Am Innocent at the start of D1 on Jon_h61, wouldn't put that past him, but the kicker would be that him being mafia would put I Am Innocent, JasonT1981, and him all together in one bunch on the Palisade lynch D2, and that seems improbable. (This also applies to Tammy, on the other side).

Jon_H61 is my best choice for Mafia out of the VTs.

Magna doesn't look so good in the vote counts as I would've expected. Will revisit tomorrow.

Alicewondering · Post Post #455 (ISO) » Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:44 pm

=____= redFF lynch is the worst idea ever, DY.

Rethinking my scumreads right now. Magua, do you still think we should lynch Tammy? It makes me uncomfortable the way NS leaped onto it, though NS's clear confusion makes me think he's town.

DeasVail · Post Post #456 (ISO) » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:32 pm

DY: I don't really know, probably more to annoy fitz than anything else.

I want to believe you're town. I really do, but I just can't.

Sorry.

Magua: I don't think that using fitz voting me along with jason is a good towntell because I think there was a decent wagon on me before that which I'm pretty sure had Alice, Lowell, NS, maybe someone else.

I'll lynch DY, Fitz or Jon today.

Zachrulez · Post Post #457 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:18 am

11th vote count of day 5:

Tammy - 4 (Magua, Alicewondering, MagnaofIllusion, Nobody Special)
Nobody Special - 3 (redFF, Jon_h61, Tammy)
redff - 2 (havingfitz, DarthYoshi)
DarthYoshi - 1 (DeasVail)

Not Voting: ()

With 10 alive it's 6 to lynch.

Day 5 will end no later than Friday, April 13th at 6pm CST

Zachrulez · Post Post #458 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:24 am

In post 451, Magua wrote:

havingfitz wrote:BTW...for those pushing Tammy as SK because Snake was a flake...did anyone happen to notice that Snake was posting onsite (Mar 21st) while we were in N4 (Mar 20-23)? Hmmm? So much for that theory. FFS.

Nope, didn't notice! Let's go look!

Two posts, 11:34am and 11:35pm. Hmmmm.

Whelp, let's test a theory and ask the mod, shall we?

@Mod:
Do players receive a "It's Night X, Please Send In Any Applicable Actions"-ish PM?

I've been trying to do this, but I'm not sure how consistently I've been executing it.

At any rate, Snakeplissken was prodded due to going over the posting time limit and the prod was acknowledged during the night cycle. Had he not responded to the prod, he would have been replaced.

Magua · Post Post #459 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:19 am

Ok. Well, that changes things in regards to how I feel about Tammy.

Also, her actually getting the cached pages and looking through them gives me the warm fuzzies.

We have two days to make this happen. I'll take Nobody Special as a consolation lynch if necessary, but of all the VTs I'd prefer to lynch Jon.

UNVOTE: Tammy
VOTE: Jon_H61

Nobody Special and Jon are pretty much the same in terms of contribution to the thread, but Jon's got a worse place in terms of his positioning on the vote counts.

I am not lynching redFF, DarthYoshi, DeasVail or havingfitz.

redFF needs to protect Alice no matter what happens.
Alice, if whoever we lynch flips Mafia, for the love of Christ track MagnaofIllusion (and don't typo). If we don't lynch Mafia, then whomever. (Since if we don't lynch Mafia, there's likely two, and if they know who's being tracked that person won't kill, etc)
Yoshi should investigate MagnaofIllusion, IMO.

MagnaofIllusion · Post Post #460 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:27 am

I see Magua has recovered files. Woohoo. I might be able to do a MoiPuter run after all.

Mod wrote: At any rate, Snakeplissken was prodded due to going over the posting time limit and the prod was acknowledged during the night cycle. Had he not responded to the prod, he would have been replaced.

Well unless you are willing to argue that Snake would have responded to a PM prod in the Night and not included a Kill this sort of puts a crimp in the “Snake as Serial Killer” argument.

UNVOTE: Tammy
VOTE: DarthYoshi

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Magua wrote: In the neighborhood, Magna is putting up resistance to the idea of me wanting him investigated by Yoshi. I'm not sure why, and it sorts of bugs me, but we're arguing it out.

Let’s be fair – I’m not ‘resisting’ the idea of being investigated. I’m questioning your assumptions in logic.

Magua wrote: Good mafia claim. Bad SK claim.

Agreed. However – if it comes to it at deadline will you lynch Red?

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Tammy wrote: There was already a mafia watcher, so DY couldn't be that. Any other alternatives?

We’ve been over this already. Roleblocker / Rolecop / Modified Framer are all possibilities.

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NS wrote:That's IF you believe DY's claim, which I don't.

Well if you don’t believe his FBI Agent claim then you either think he’s Mafia (in which case we probably don’t actually have a Serial Killer) with a fake-claim or the Serial Killer himself. In either case regardless of whether you disbelieve his claim his results are valid on their face.

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Darth wrote:Fitz's play is interesting. He's definitely stepped up his focus and attention to detail, but a lot more of his play seems to be focused on setup speculation, which I'm not sure is *actually* all that helpful. I mean, if there's a two-flip, there's a two-flip, and we can deal with it then. For the moment, why don't we simply focus on lynching scum?

If fitz is scum this is pretty clear distancing. No clear commitment to a position on his alignment, using weasel-words (interesting, ‘not sure is actually helpful’).

Darth wrote:I've basically suspected MOI all game. His D1 play was lurkertastic and felt much more like scum trying to pretend to scumhunt than actually being useful.

And I’ve suspect you all game for displaying ‘inside information’ tells and scummy faked scum-hunting (where you tried to link Town Kamrun and Deas to Jason while not pushing Jason and in fact Day 1 arguing against his lynch after his terribad claim).

jon_h61 · Post Post #461 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:37 am

@ Magua thanks for the posts, I'm going to try to make some sense out of them and post later.

Tammy · Post Post #462 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:14 am

In post 460, MagnaofIllusion wrote:

Magua wrote: In the neighborhood, Magna is putting up resistance to the idea of me wanting him investigated by Yoshi. I'm not sure why, and it sorts of bugs me, but we're arguing it out.

Let’s be fair – I’m not ‘resisting’ the idea of being investigated. I’m questioning your assumptions in logic.

Then there shouldn't be an issue. Is there someone you think should be investigated instead?

Tammy wrote: There was already a mafia watcher, so DY couldn't be that. Any other alternatives?

We’ve been over this already. Roleblocker / Rolecop / Modified Framer are all possibilities.[/quote]

Thanks. I wasn't asking the question because I actually needed the answer though. I was trying to determine his thought process.

Nobody Special · Post Post #463 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:35 am

Magua: If you think MoI should be investigated, why aren't you voting him instead? Is Jon really scummier than MoI? After all, MoI is still alive, and we know what that means.

Why are there no votes on MoI? Let's rectify that.

Vote: MagnaofIllusion

DarthYoshi · Post Post #464 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:44 am

In post 441, Magua wrote:

DarthYoshi wrote:I've got a better idea: we lynch red today and I investigate MOI tonight, then you get to know if both players are SK as opposed to just one.

I believe, with every single core of my body, that redFF is not the SK. If he's scum, he's mafia.

Why do I believe this? Because redFF is not living until endgame. His claim has guaranteed that he is not living until endgame. Why would an SK...even someone like redFF...make a claim that would guarantee that they lose? As scum, claiming bodyguard makes sense if the alternative is to be lynched. Hell, it's even great in multiscum because why would another scumteam/SK shoot you? But eventually you're going to die.

Good mafia claim. Bad SK claim.

Not lynching redFF.

Seriously, Yoshi. These are the basics. If he is town, it's obviously better to leave him alive. If he is mafia, he either has to *not kill Alice*, which is good, or, worst case, he kills Alice anyways and gets lynched tomorrow...in which case we lost nothing compared to lynching him today (in both cases both he and someone else get lynched, just with a different order). Absolute worst case scenario is that he is, in fact, the SK, and oh shit, he kills someone so there's two deaths tonight, in which case not only is it bloody obvious there's an SK, but we still don't lose a lynch because we're currently operating on an even number of people.

Really, if you think redFF is SK, I'm already not listening to you, and if you think he's Mafia, I want you to tell me who you think his partner is.

DarthYoshi wrote:Also, plz 'splain your townread on DV.

He's not SK because you say he's not, and I don't think he's Mafia because of his interactions with Jason.

So at what point do we cross that bridge re: lynching redFF? We're at an even number, and unless there is a two-flip on the horizon, that means we have a potential MyLo scenario. If we mislynch today, that means tomorrow is likely the day before MyLo, and at that point, I think we pretty much have to policy lynch redFF. Are you saying that Alice's result for tonight is worth keeping scum alive?

Re: DV--funny, I think he's mafia in part because of his interactions with Jason. So...again, plz 'splain.

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MOI's vote of me is incredibly anti-town. At the time of his vote, he moved from the leading wagon (Tammy) to a person with only ONE other vote (me) when the deadline was only three days away. It looks like an effort to divide the town than any genuine attempt to catch scum.

In any case, the unofficial tally means that there are only two votes left on Tammy--Magua's and Alice's, and the leading wagon (NS) has only three votes on it. Deadline is in a little over 48 hours from this post.

I will ONLY vote NS to avoid a no-lynch. I'll vote Tammy if no other viable counterwagon on MOI develops in the next day or two. And if we don't lynch scum today, red is absolutely, without a doubt, tomorrow's lynch.

Unvote. Vote: MOI.

Alicewondering · Post Post #465 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:00 am

Magua, because of whom Jon replaced, I'm inclined to lean towards Jon being town.

While I originally thought MOI was town, he has been pushing DY really hard and stretching in a way that I don't find townie anymore. \insert sheeping about DY's point above.

VOTE: MOI

MagnaofIllusion · Post Post #466 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:23 am

In post 464, DarthYoshi wrote:MOI's vote of me is incredibly anti-town. At the time of his vote, he moved from the leading wagon (Tammy) to a person with only ONE other vote (me) when the deadline was only three days away. It looks like an effort to divide the town than any genuine attempt to catch scum.

Oh so you mean the vote move to one of my Top scum suspects. Made right after Magua did the same thing - voting for a top suspect after Tammy's Serial Killer status was cleared up by the Mod.

But one peep here about Magua making an Anti-Town vote? Nope, not a peep. Cognitive Dissonance in full effect!

My vote is well placed.

Darth is scum.

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@Alice

- As you can see his reasoning is pretty damn terrible.

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Quite funny (and by that I means scummy) that suddenly in the course of a few hours a wagon on me has sprung up out of the blue so close to deadline with craptacular reasons supporting in.

DarthYoshi · Post Post #467 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:29 am

In post 466, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
In post 464, DarthYoshi wrote:MOI's vote of me is incredibly anti-town. At the time of his vote, he moved from the leading wagon (Tammy) to a person with only ONE other vote (me) when the deadline was only three days away. It looks like an effort to divide the town than any genuine attempt to catch scum.

Oh so you mean the vote move to one of my Top scum suspects. Made right after Magua did the same thing - voting for a top suspect after Tammy's Serial Killer status was cleared up by the Mod.

But one peep here about Magua making an Anti-Town vote? Nope, not a peep. Cognitive Dissonance in full effect!

My vote is well placed.

Darth is scum.

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@Alice
- As you can see his reasoning is pretty damn terrible.

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Quite funny (and by that I means scummy) that suddenly in the course of a few hours a wagon on me has sprung up out of the blue so close to deadline with craptacular reasons supporting in.

Magua indicated a willingness when he switched votes to join a different wagon to avoid a no-lynch. He gave reasons for his vote. You did neither.

That last bit from you also just reads like flailing scum. How is the quickness of your wagon scummy, exactly, from YOUR perspective? I've suspected you all game, I don't think your vote has ever been on NS (certainly not post-crash), and you've treated Alice as obvtown.

MagnaofIllusion · Post Post #468 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:37 am

In post 467, DarthYoshi wrote:Magua indicated a willingness when he switched votes to join a different wagon to avoid a no-lynch. He gave reasons for his vote. You did neither.

Yes, your assumption that I would not move my vote to avoid a No-lynch is both invalid and pointless in the course of directing why I am 'scum'. You made a incorrect assumption that benefited your stance and ran with it.

As to flailing scum - a typical rhetoric attack. I can point to you any number of flash wagons on Town that appeared right at deadline driven by scum. Your attempt to paint that observation as scummy is noted.

But for the record - if I was scum 'worried and flailing' I would have hopped on the next closest viable wagon. I'm not because I'm voting my top suspect and actually scum-hunting.

DeasVail · Post Post #469 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:38 am

Can we please lynch DY?

Tammy · Post Post #470 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:58 pm

In post 463, Nobody Special wrote:Magua: If you think MoI should be investigated, why aren't you voting him instead? Is Jon really scummier than MoI? After all, MoI is still alive, and we know what that means.

Why are there no votes on MoI? Let's rectify that.

Vote: MagnaofIllusion

I don't know? What do you think? Is Jon scummier? Do you have any reason to believe that MoI is scum that is independent of his still being alive? What exactly does his being alive have to do with anything?

Tammy · Post Post #471 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:06 pm

In post 464, DarthYoshi wrote:
MOI's vote of me is incredibly anti-town. At the time of his vote, he moved from the leading wagon (Tammy) to a person with only ONE other vote (me) when the deadline was
only three days away
. It looks like an effort to divide the town than any genuine attempt to catch scum.

In any case, the unofficial tally means that there are only two votes left on Tammy--Magua's and Alice's, and the leading wagon (NS) has only three votes on it. Deadline is in a little over 48 hours from this post.

I really need to figure out a way to get adjusted to site differences. Is three days away really cutting it too close to deadline to shift wagons?

Tammy · Post Post #472 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:08 pm

In post 466, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
In post 464, DarthYoshi wrote:MOI's vote of me is incredibly anti-town. At the time of his vote, he moved from the leading wagon (Tammy) to a person with only ONE other vote (me) when the deadline was only three days away. It looks like an effort to divide the town than any genuine attempt to catch scum.

Oh so you mean the vote move to one of my Top scum suspects. Made right after Magua did the same thing - voting for a top suspect after Tammy's Serial Killer status was cleared up by the Mod.

But one peep here about Magua making an Anti-Town vote? Nope, not a peep. Cognitive Dissonance in full effect!

Why are you concerned about pointing it out that someone else moved their vote too, but didn't get called out?

havingfitz · Post Post #473 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:21 pm

Why are people pushing a MOI lynch over our other options? If the reason is that he is still alive, I would disagree for two reasons: 1) His ego does not need any more fueling and more importantly 2) all the NK's up to this point have been PRs of greater interest than MOI.

MOI...who did you use your protects on again?

DY...who have you not investigated yet? Who is still a possibility for a potential SK (redredredredredredredredFF)?

I will support these lynches: redFF, DV, NS.

Alicewondering · Post Post #474 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:31 pm

UNVOTE:

I just realized that it doesn't make sense for MOI to be SK.

VOTE: DeasVail

I'm derping all over the place. PLEASE JOIN ME GUYS. I'll come back and explain if people have questions, but I have to go for now.