Good vs Evil, Law vs Chaos Reboot - Game Over, Good wins

[Zdenek]

What makes you think he lied about his alignment?

So that they aren't instantly lynched if the other town-scum pair leave the game first.

[Zdenek]

Really? Why the fuck would I lie about my ethical alignment, when I know for a fact that ethic-confirming roles exist? It's a completely unnecessary risk. Occam's Razor demands that if I be scum, I would be CE.

I think the best evidence yet (and that's saying a lot) against Zdenek is the specificity of his accusations.

What is this garbage?

I think you are lying about your role, so I don't actually think that you know about the existence of ethic-confirming roles, and that you are lying because that is probably the correct scum play.

[Zdenek]

Pine you still need to say how Empkng's play in this game differs from his play in his scum games.

[Mastermind of Sin]

What makes you think he lied about his alignment?

So that they aren't instantly lynched if the other town-scum pair leave the game first.

That was not the question. Enough with the irrelevant conclusions, answer the actual question.

[Zdenek]

What makes you think he lied about his alignment?

So that they aren't instantly lynched if the other town-scum pair leave the game first.

That was not the question. Enough with the irrelevant conclusions, answer the actual question.

I think that Pine is scum, so I think he lied about his alignment because that I what scum would do.
It's in no way an irrelevant conclusion.

[Mastermind of Sin]

So, what you're saying is that you concluded Pine is scum and then justified that conclusion by saying he lied about his alignment. You have no actual reason for thinking he lied about his alignment except for your

assumption

that he is scum and the fact that he claimed CG.

I bet it doesn't hurt your confirmation bias that the scum group you need to hunt is LE, either.

[Zdenek]

So, what you're saying is that you concluded Pine is scum and then justified that conclusion by saying he lied about his alignment. You have no actual reason for thinking he lied about his alignment except for your

assumption

that he is scum and the fact that he claimed CG.

I bet it doesn't hurt your confirmation bias that the scum group you need to hunt is LE, either.

No, that is not what I am saying. I am not arguing that he is scum because he lied about his alignment. I think that he is scum for other reasons and as a consequence of that I think that he lied about his alignment.

[Mastermind of Sin]

That still doesn't justify the conclusion that he lied about his alignment. You have no actual evidence for this sort of ancillary conclusion.

[BBmolla]

I'd like to take a moment to ask where the FUCK are these players?

04. PeregrineV
07. ooba
15. BBmolla
16. Shadoweh
18. Norman
19. Jackal711
20. Lord Mhork
25. Zar

Especially Jackal711, BBmolla, ooba, and Norman, who all have not posted more recently than Foxace -_-

Vote: BBmolla

I know he's been reading and posting in the Theme Park forum, so where the fuck is he in this game?

And no, don't think I'm letting this Tammy-Zdenek thing go.

^Nowhere in here is there anything where you state that you think I'm scum.

You voted me for lurking when you had scumreads on Tammy-Zdenek. You are scum.

[BBmolla]

BB= possible scum (major lurking=BB scum)

This is bullshit by the way.

[TiphaineDeath]

gee thanks.

[Shadoweh]

I passed out and had this weird dream where I replaced in as a hydra with Faraday and OH SHI-

Not sure if scum covering past idiot's blatant mislynching tactics or town figuring out common sense. Faraday is impossible to see as anything but town, apparently. At least he told me his secret scumtells when we modded Fantasy Camp together.

I just realized that Pine working the way he says he does makes him as much of a threat to the Chaotic mafia as the Lawful one. Checking up, the last mention Zdenek made of Pine was:

I'm mean, I'm town, Pine's town, there's scum on the wagon, but that's FoxAce, so who cares.

And his opinion of MoI:

Pine was somewhat scummy for sucking up to MoI, and then apparently being unavailable to post. He got several people to mention they they felt he was scummy, but not a lot of votes. He noticed this and claimed Chaotic-Lawful cop. I would not support a Pine lynch today.

I've also think that MoI is scum. Roughly, the reasons are that his attacks on me are either based on him not reading the thread or him willfully misrepresenting my posts. He has created a ridiculously high standard for what he will accept as a scum-tell, but thinks that attacking Tammy is scummy because to him she is obviously town, and his reasons for thinking that Tammy is town are not nearly strong enough for that sort of stance to make any sense, MoI's attacks on me are not the only ones that have been born out of a misrepresentation, see for instance his first vote on Briz since the game restarted.

MoS is also very likely scum because he is content to snipe from the sidelines.

I think that the three of them

- MoI
- Tammy
- MoS

make for a very likely scum team. I believe that MoI, being aware of his reputation for bussing has decided to instead defend his scum-buddy Tammy in this game. Tammy has stated in the thread that she thinks that sniping from the side-lines is scummy, but she fails to ever take a strong stance on MoS. Finally MoS jumped to MoI's defense when Feysal presented his case on MoI. There are a few other notable interactions between them: Tammy fence-sitting on MoI in 455, and MoI telling MoS to stop trying to bait suspicion,

@Mastin: We were only granted a 24 hour extension. As I type, we've only got 31 hours left. It's time to make a decision. As to why Zdenek, read MoI's case. I find it thoroughly convincing.

MoI's scum and his case was based on a failure to read the thread.

His stance on MoI as an investigation target being wrong makes no sense. He himself thought MoI was scummy going into the nightphase. He also thought Pine was town. It doesn't make sense to me for a townie to forget that they thought someone was scummy, and not understand why someone else would find them scummy enough to investigate. The change would make sense from someone making up his feelings as he's going along and sensing a weakness in the 'fake cop'.

I'll also point out that if Pine were fakeclaiming scum that was going to claim roleblocked he could have chosen

anyone

to lie about, there are a mass of scummy people to be suspicious of. Definitely someone more palpable then MoI.

The entire dialogue is off to me. I also see that Zdenek has already dropped his Pine vote but is more then happy to keep pushing him as a viable target in case enough minnows eat paint chips and want to go for it. If you really thought he was lying you wouldn't be afraid to lynch him as scum.

##Unvote
##Vote: Zdenek

[Shadoweh]

PS: Tiphaine is Norman and is therefore town. I could not care less if she vomitted liquid bullshit at this point. MoS comes off to me as the new Sane Man so I will be very depressed if he's actually scum. Mr. Molla's posts above mine are worse then lurking. You've stated you're okay with an AV lynch, why? What has MoS done that's scummy besides voting you? Why is Tammy-Zdenek town-town?

[Lord Mhork]

Shadoweh, why do you have to make sense? Gah! I don't know! Ah well, at least I'm fairly sure on AurorusVox. Pine can wait until later.

UNVOTE: Pine

VOTE: AurorusVox

[Shadoweh]

It's a terrible drawback. Why do you seem so plushy today?

[Lost Butterfly]

Shadoweh can you fake suspect me a little bit? I get the feeling I'm going to get nightkilled

[Lost Butterfly]

Zdenek's obvtown too.

I'm making a list (Mina's checking it twice), we're gonna find out who's naughty or nice (or lawful or chaotic).

[Lost Butterfly]

It doesn't make sense to me for a townie to forget that they thought someone was scummy, and not understand why someone else would find them scummy enough to investigate. The change would make sense from someone making up his feelings as he's going along and sensing a weakness in the 'fake cop'.

that seems pretty null to me? Don't think scum are more likely to forget.

Zdenek's a bit more robotic as scum, anyway. He gets more engaged as town and hisd argument with Tammy looked pretty townish. Multi scum makes it tricky but even so.

[Shadoweh]

As scum they wouldn't have suspicions to forget in the first place. :V

Disagreeing with me? FARADAY YOU ARE SO OBVSCUM.

[Lost Butterfly]

That's not how playing scum works. (At least not if you're semi competent). Especially in a game with another scum faction.

Should you be bantering with me when you suspect/ed my slot, though? I must admit I am perturbed

Mina

Shadoweh.

[Shadoweh]

Obviously I'm trying to lure you into a false sense of security so you make an epic scumslip.
Completely unrelated, why do you think there was only one kill last night?

No one else seemed to have noticed Zdenek dropped all his reads, so he must be doing something right.

[Lost Butterfly]

Zdenek's cool. Look at his avatar.

brb

[Lost Butterfly]

Double kill on MOI seems the most likely option.

[Shadoweh]

I'll think about it after he responds. Mhork's quip about how right I am without voting with me was a little weird. I need to sleep now which is totally not me switching computers.

[AurorusVox]

But regardless, I still have scumreads on:

Foxace

, Haze, greenknight, Lord Mhork, Tammy,

norman

TiphaineDeath, and trekker in that order. I'm going to put my balls on the table and say that's our scumteams plus one town who is yet to be determined.

Where the fuck are Haze and trekker?
CooLDoG scum = one of those is town

With that shite "lol associated reads that mean nothing" post I'm thinking it's not Norman
Hmm...

I'd say Tammy is town.

Mhork's last post was bizarre and leaves him up on that list.
greenknight looks town in his posts but I can't shake the feeling he's scum.
Need more Haze/trekker posts.