Weather Mafia II (GAME OVER)

Shadoweh · Post Post #1125 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:13 pm

Actually the person I'm voting was off both scum wagons when they went to lynch. So technically no.

kuribo · Post Post #1126 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:53 pm

So you're of the opinion that he'd refuse to bus one buddy, and refuse to lynch someone from the other scumteam?

It's plausible, if he were bluescum that he'd hem and haw about voting BBMolla, and not want to lynch Fate because scumteams like to have Fate around. But I don't see Last Blue Scum Standing not voting Fate when there's an obvious guilty: If Fate flipped redscum, that's better for Blue Team because it evens the odds. If Fate flipped town, Benmage was lying and would be strung up himself.

It's plausible, too, if he were redscum that he simply didn't believe BBMolla was scum and wanted to hedge his bets--- not wanting to be on an early wagon after Reck died, then being unwilling to bus Fate.

Honestly, I haven't paid much attention to Tripod this game, and I'd actually have to go back and read him.

Now, YOU, on the other hand: Fate spent alot of time calling you, me, and Amrun scum. Well, actually only the last two. See, he made passing references to you being scum. But you know what he didn't do? He didn't vote you. Not when the chips were down, not when it mattered. And not at all since the reboot. He went after me and Amrun mostly (Amrun hardest) while taking little potshots at you. Does this mean he was bussing either of you? I have no idea, I can't read Fate for shit anyway, and he knows it.

Although, here's a homework assignment. What's missing from this?

In post 884, Fate wrote:Porochaz
Shadoweh (replaces farside22 D1)
DrippingGoofball (replaces Blackberry N1)
Amrun
Thestatusquo
Untrod Tripod
Tierce
Fate (replaces SaintKerrigan D1)
kuribo
Benmage

Kuribo says he can coroner people, he should def check YOSARIAN to see if he was scum, otherwise this games pretty easy by PoE:

Town
Tierce
Kuribo
Benmage
Shea
DGB

Not Town
Shadoweh
Amrun
Porochaz (has posted anything ever?)

Amrun · Post Post #1127 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:57 pm

Thoughts on my Tierce case, kuribo?

Shadoweh · Post Post #1128 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:05 pm

I have no idea what that Fate post is suposed to imply.

UT was more then willing to hammer the Not Him BBMolla wagon. He just happened not to be on Molla when he hammered himself.
I'm aware of what Fate was doing. I called him out on it on Lynch Staeg day. and then staeg was lynched

kuribo · Post Post #1129 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:05 pm

Amrun, ehhhh, it's too early in the morning for long, drawn out cases. When I get a few minutes at work later, I'll look over it some more.

I don't think you're scum with Fate. He spent WAY too much time trying to get you lynched for me to think Fatebus.

Personally, now that we know kondi was town, I think we should figure out why Fate killed him. I re-read kondi when I decided to mess with his dead body, and he only had a handful of posts--- none of which gave any insight. I didn't go back and read MattP, though. Fate doesn't kill people at random, I don't think.

kuribo · Post Post #1130 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:06 pm

In post 1128, Shadoweh wrote:I have no idea what that Fate post is suposed to imply.

jesus christ, shadoweh, i'm doing your legwork for you

LOOK VERY CAREFULLY AT THE LIST OF PLAYERS STILL LIVING, AND LOOK VERY CAREFULLY AT HIS LIST OF READS IN THE VERY SAME POST

DO YOU SEE ANYONE THAT HE NEGLECTED TO MENTION AS TOWN OR SCUM

Glork · Post Post #1131 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:16 pm

Vote Count 5.1

Tierce 1 (Amrun)
Amrun 1 (Thestatusquo)
Untrod Tripod 1 (Shadoweh)

Not voting: 6 (Porochaz, DrippingGoofball, Untrod Tripod, Tierce, kuribo, Benmage)

9 alive, 5 to lynch. Deadline is Thursday, April 26, 12:15am EDT.

Shadoweh · Post Post #1132 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:25 pm

>_> Why do you expect me to notice things at 7am?

kuribo · Post Post #1133 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:30 pm

because you're voting for the person that Fate conspicuously forgot to give a read on?

draw your own conclusions. i'll be popping in and out of the thread from work

Tierce · Post Post #1134 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:43 pm

Vote Count 1.6 wrote:
Yosarian2
3 (
Katsuki
,
Fate
,
BBmolla
)

kondi2424
3 (
singersigner
, Untrod Tripod,
xRECKONERx
)

Fate
2 (Amrun,
kondi2424
)

hasdgfas
2 (Thestatusquo,
Staeg
)
Benmage 2 (Porochaz,
Yosarian2
)
Untrod Tripod 2 (Benmage, Shadoweh)
Amrun 1 (
hasdgfas
)

singersigner
1 (Tierce)

Katsuki
1 (
snifit
)

Not Voting 3 (
DrippingGoofball
,
UberNinja
, kuribo)

This votecount is bugging me for some reason, but I can't put my finger down on the what. The votes are too early to have any decisive influence.

Vote Count 1.7 wrote:
Yosarian2
3 (
Katsuki
,
Fate
,
BBmolla
)

Fate
3 (Amrun,
kondi2424
,
xRECKONERx
)

hasdgfas
3 (Thestatusquo,
Staeg
, Shadoweh)

kondi2424
3 (
singersigner
, kuribo, Untrod Tripod)
Benmage 2 (Porochaz,
Yosarian2
)

Katsuki
2 (
snifit
, Benmage)

Staeg
2 (
UberNinja
,
UberNinja
)
Amrun 1 (
hasdgfas
)

singersigner
1 (Tierce)

Not Voting 1 (
DrippingGoofball
)

Amrun not redscum. Early, yes, but Reck and Amrun doublebussing SK? Not likely. Plausible redscum here would be Thestatusquo, Shadoweh (farside), kuribo, Untrod Tripod, Porochaz. That doesn't exactly narrow the field. Bluescum would be anywhere, they are already pushing Yos hard and have no need to push a wagon to fruition as long as it isn't Kats.

Vote Count 1.9 wrote:
Yosarian2
3 (
Fate
,
BBmolla
, Benmage)

UberNinja
2 (Untrod Tripod,
Katsuki
)

hasdgfas
2 (
Staeg
, Shadoweh)

kondi2424
2 (
singersigner
, kuribo)

Staeg
2 (
UberNinja
,
UberNinja
)

Fate
1 (
kondi2424
)

Katsuki
1 (
snifit
)
Amrun 1 (
hasdgfas
)

singersigner
1 (Tierce)
Shadoweh 1 (Thestatusquo)

BBmolla
1 (Amrun)

Not Voting 3 (
DrippingGoofball
, Porochaz,
Yosarian2
)

This is an interesting situation, after Reck died. We have the redteam reduced to two elements (?), but hell if I know.
One bluescum each on the 'larger' wagons, the other could still be anywhere.

Vote Count 1.22 wrote:
Yosarian2
5 (
UberNinja
,
UberNinja
,
Katsuki
,
kondi2424
,
Fate
)

BBmolla
4 (Amrun, Thestatusquo, Tierce, Untrod Tripod)

Katsuki
3 (
BBmolla
,
Yosarian2
,
Staeg
)

hasdgfas
2 (Shadoweh,
singersigner
)

UberNinja
2 (Porochaz, kuribo)
Tierce 1 (
hasdgfas
)

singersigner
1 (
snifit
)
Amrun 1 (Benmage)

Not Voting 1 (
DrippingGoofball
)

Much later. Here is when things start to get interesting.

It's unlikely there is bluescum on the BB wagon. I had baited him into voting a lurker, who turned out to be his scumbuddy (Kats). But since Shadoweh is not bluescum, the possibilities for bluescum are very reduced. It's either Porochaz (...I'll hate myself if so) or kuribo.
Likely redscum on the BB wagon, capitalizing on the growing opportunities to lynch what, for them is town/notredscum. UT, Shea, Amrun possible redscum.
Maybe redscum is off the main wagons--Shadoweh, Poro, kuribo.

Vote Count 1.23 wrote:
BBmolla
4 (Amrun, Thestatusquo, Tierce, Untrod Tripod)

Katsuki
3 (
BBmolla
,
Yosarian2
,
Staeg
)
Amrun 3 (Benmage,
Fate
,
Katsuki
)

hasdgfas
2 (Shadoweh,
singersigner
)

UberNinja
2 (Porochaz, kuribo)

Staeg
2 (
UberNinja
,
UberNinja
)

Yosarian2
1 (
kondi2424
)
Tierce 1 (
hasdgfas
)

singersigner
1 (
snifit
)

Not Voting 1 (
DrippingGoofball
)

The bluescum is not on the BB wagon. Again, it's Poro or kuribo. Shea, UT, and a very distant Amrun as redscum.

Vote Count 1.24 wrote:
BBmolla
6 (Amrun, Thestatusquo, Tierce, Untrod Tripod,
kondi2424
, kuribo)
Untrod Tripod 5 (Shadoweh,
UberNinja
,
UberNinja
,
BBmolla
,
Staeg
)

singersigner
4 (
snifit
, Benmage,
Fate
,
Katsuki
)

Katsuki
1 (
Yosarian2
)

UberNinja
1 (Porochaz)
Tierce 1 (
hasdgfas
)

Not Voting 2 (
DrippingGoofball
,
singersigner
)

Counterwagon ho! UT is not bluescum, but oddly enough there is no bluescum on the resulting wagon except BB. Here we have kuribo hopping on the BB wagon, and the way he hops off later to go after UN is really odd. Poro is still potential bluescum, and we have one of {Amrun, Shea, UT} v. Shadoweh as redscum.

Vote Count 1.26 wrote:
BBmolla
7 (Amrun, Thestatusquo, Tierce,
kondi2424
, kuribo, Benmage,
Fate
)
Untrod Tripod 5 (Shadoweh,
UberNinja
,
UberNinja
,
BBmolla
)

singersigner
2 (
snifit
,
Katsuki
)
Amrun 2 (Untrod Tripod,
Staeg
)

Katsuki
1 (
Yosarian2
)

UberNinja
1 (Porochaz)
Tierce 1 (
hasdgfas
)

Not Voting 2 (
DrippingGoofball
,
singersigner
)

kuribo has hopped back on the BBwagon, and did it really reluctantly.

Tierce · Post Post #1135 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:43 pm

Vote Count 2.6 wrote:Amrun 6 (
Fate
, Tierce,
singersigner
, Untrod Tripod, kuribo,
Staeg
)

Katsuki
3 (
Yosarian2
, Benmage, Shadoweh)

Staeg
2 (
DrippingGoofball
,
UberNinja
)

singersigner
1 (
kondi2424
)
kuribo 1 (Amrun)

Not Voting 4 (Porochaz,
hasdgfas
, Thestatusquo,
Katsuki
)

Amrun isn't scum, and UT isn't bluescum--but there is kuribo in the main wagon. If bluescum is voting, it's kuribo. If not, Poro--again.
Shadoweh still potential redscum, as is UT.

Vote Count 2.10 wrote:
UberNinja
5 (Porochaz, Amrun, Tierce, Untrod Tripod, kuribo)

Staeg
4 (
DrippingGoofball
,
UberNinja
,
singersigner
, Shadoweh)
Amrun 3 (
Fate
,
Staeg
,
Katsuki
)

Katsuki
2 (
Yosarian2
, Benmage)

singersigner
1 (
kondi2424
)

Not Voting 2 (
hasdgfas
, Thestatusquo)

Confusing wagons. Shadoweh as lone redscum on Staeg? There is bluescum on the UberNinja wagon, because Shea is not bluescum and neither is Shadoweh. Again, back to kuribo/Poro as bluescum. No further clues on redscum--but Shea is unlikely redscum.
Amrun town. Scum can't really afford to bus here.

Final D2 Vote Count (at day's end, modkill) wrote:
UberNinja
8 (Porochaz, Amrun, Tierce, Untrod Tripod, kuribo,
Staeg
,
kondi2424
,
hasdgfas
)

Staeg
5 (
DrippingGoofball
,
UberNinja
,
singersigner
, Shadoweh, Benmage)
Amrun 2 (
Fate
,
Katsuki
)

Katsuki
2 (
Yosarian2
)
kuribo 1 (Thestatusquo)

Pretty much the same as above, only flips + Benmage have significantly moved. Shea is not scum.

Vote Count 3.5 wrote:
Staeg
6 [LYNCH] (
DrippingGoofball
,
Fate
,
kondi2424
, Untrod Tripod, kuribo, Tierce)
kuribo 1 (Amrun)
Porochaz 1 (
Yosarian2
)
Shadoweh 1 (
Staeg
)
Amrun 1 (Thestatusquo)

Not Voting: 2 (Benmage, Porochaz, Shadoweh)

Unlikely that both kuribo and UT are town.

Vote Count 4.2 wrote:
Fate
6 [LYNCH] (Benmage, Amrun, kuribo, Thestatusquo,
DrippingGoofball
, Tierce)
Amrun 1 (
Fate
)

Not Voting: 3 (Porochaz, Untrod Tripod, Shadoweh)

Redscum likely in Shadoweh, UT, Poro. They haven't been bussing--Amrun is not scum, and most people unconfirmed have been voting for flipped town.

Tierce · Post Post #1136 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:43 pm

Now to compile all this.

kuribo · Post Post #1137 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:44 pm

Tierce, if you're going to color one of my coroner results (hascow) green, you may as well do it for the other (kondi)

Tierce · Post Post #1138 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:50 pm

Actually, kuribo votes BB by 1.17 and on 1.22 he has hopped off to UN. With the Yos wagon gtowing, this is a safe spot to hop off if he was bussing a buddy. On 1.24 he votes him again, and goes through with the lynch.

The bluescum is in {Poro, kuribo}. Getting to red scum.

Tierce · Post Post #1139 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:51 pm

In post 1137, kuribo wrote:Tierce, if you're going to color one of my coroner results (hascow) green, you may as well do it for the other (kondi)

Irrelevant, I'm considering all of them town--if one of them is scum, we're better off than 7:1:1 so I'm not even bothering to think they might be scum.

Tierce · Post Post #1140 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:57 pm

In post 1135, Tierce wrote:
Vote Count 2.10 wrote:
UberNinja
5 (Porochaz, Amrun, Tierce, Untrod Tripod, kuribo)

Staeg
4 (
DrippingGoofball
,
UberNinja
,
singersigner
, Shadoweh)
Amrun 3 (
Fate
,
Staeg
,
Katsuki
)

Katsuki
2 (
Yosarian2
, Benmage)

singersigner
1 (
kondi2424
)

Not Voting 2 (
hasdgfas
, Thestatusquo)

Confusing wagons. Shadoweh as lone redscum on Staeg? There is bluescum on the UberNinja wagon, because Shea is not bluescum and neither is Shadoweh. Again, back to kuribo/Poro as bluescum. No further clues on redscum--but Shea is unlikely redscum.
Amrun town. Scum can't really afford to bus here.

This vote count is more important the more I look at it.

Shea is not bluescum. Nor is Shadoweh. Nor is UT, counterwagon to BB. Neither am I, and Amrun is unlikely to be. It leaves kuribo and Poro, no doubt.

Tierce · Post Post #1141 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:00 am

Poro, kuribo as bluescum.
UT, Shadoweh, Poro? as redscum.
kuribo and UT are unlikely to both be town.

I miss Nuwen.

Tierce · Post Post #1142 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:27 am

In post 1090, Amrun wrote:Here are the basic facts of the case:

-You pushed the idea that we should hunt for bluescum over redscum. (See post 764 for proof.)

Yes, I did, when there were two dead bluescum and one dead redscum. It was easier to hunt via blue connections due to two flips and the fact that Reck flipped very early; more important than that, I wanted to remove one nightkill. I did not stop hunting for scum in general, but if I were sure someone was bluescum, I'd still lynch them over redscum if we were

2

:

1

. This is not a scummy decision. Scum is scum is scum, but lynching

scum

was more beneficial in those conditions than lynching

other

. You may have a different logic, but that does not mean that my preference to hunt bluescum when they were whittled down to 1(?) member is a scummy behavior.

In post 1090, Amrun wrote:-You stalled the Fate wagon and even when the issue was cleared up, still did not vote Fate until the hammer. (Fact.)

Yes, I did stall the wagon. From the very beginning, I was looking for more information from Glork because the flip votecount was borked, and when that was cleared, I wanted to reread the thread and see if we could trust Benmage. I did not realize Fate had lied until it was pointed out. My word against the world, etc--but come on, look at the timestamps, is it so unreasonable it did not hit me?
Post #1020 » 8 Apr 2012

19:20:12

(Mine)
Post #1023 » 8 Apr 2012 19:21:33 (Mine)
Post #1024 » 8 Apr 2012 19:21:46 (Benmage showing that Fate lied)
Post #1025 » 8 Apr 2012 19:22:29 (You showing that Fate lied)
Post #1027 » 8 Apr 2012

19:24:00

(Mine, hammer)

There's less than four minutes. Come on, Amrun. This is not staged. Look at UT's reaction, on the other hand. THAT smells of someone reluctant to bus.

In post 1090, Amrun wrote:-The way you handled the Fate wagon and eventually hammered in an overblown way seems like textbook bus to me. (Opinion.)

We were all going CAPSLOCK ULTRASPEED at the time. I didn't even get time to get another post after my post-hammer post before Glork closed the thread. You keep describing my writing as fake and forced, I can't really do much about it. I do remember you describing my interaction with BB as FAKE AS HELL and think I'm condescending to you, so I chalk it down to how you perceive my writing style. *shrug*

In post 1090, Amrun wrote:There are a couple of auxiliary points, such as your pre-emptive defense of Fate's logic and Fate treating you differently than he treated both me and TSQ over the same issue, but the above three points are the backbone of the case and easily verifiable.

ISO Fate and Ctrl+F. He had been buddying me for quite a while.

I wasn't defending Fate over WiHIII, I was scumhunting

you

and did not understand why a finished (yes, incomplete) game was causing you to have such a reaction to his words.

Amrun · Post Post #1143 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:35 am

You hammered quickly after it was pointed out Fate lied; that's not what I'm arguing at ALL. You said you were waiting for Glork. Glork came and went, and still, no vote on the wagon. No vote on the wagon until Fate really and truly shot himself in the foot and there was no excuse not to vote him anymore.

Tierce · Post Post #1144 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:39 am

In post 0, Glork wrote:
Poro
chaz

Shadoweh

DrippingGoofball

Amrun

Thestatusquo

Untrod Tripod

Tierce

kuribo

Benmage

We have four people that are all but confirmed town via actions and/or wagons (five including me, but etc.). Lynching/doc'ing/roleblocking appropriately to keep this group alive should make us win.

PEdit: ...because I wanted to reread, as I had said the very beginning of the day. I did not know whether we could trust Benmage and wanted to check interactions. Do not fault me for that--this is what I do as town, obsess over every detail until I'm sure I got things right.

Amrun · Post Post #1145 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:44 am

And I just have to take your word on that.

You kept moving the bar and adding more reasons why you wouldn't vote Fate. You swore you were going to vote Fate as soon as Glork came back with an answer, but when he did, you decided you had to reread before voting (even though it was BLATANT by that point that Fate was scum; he had claimed a THIRD vig, lied, backtracked, etc.)

That's an incredibly strong associative tell.

Tierce · Post Post #1146 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:52 am

You keep distorting my words so much I'm all but sure you're not bothering to read back even a few pages, and that makes me extremely uncomfortable because I'm almost sure you are town. Why are you doing this? Please read my posts.

I did not add any reasons to not vote Fate. I was scumhunting.

I never "swore" I would vote Fate. I was saying that I would not vote anyone until Glork came back with an explanation. He did, and I was going through stuff and looking for other scumreads, because I don't blindly follow someone who is not confirmed.

I voted him when I noticed he had lied and contradicted himself and the setup. I really don't get your point.

Fate · Post Post #1147 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:19 am

HehehehH

HEHehHEHEAH

HAHEHEAHAEHHHEAHEHAHEHAH

Benmage · Post Post #1148 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:07 am

*flex*

Alrighty than. GOOD NEWS. I've caught another scum.

Vote Porochaz.

vote Porochaz

(is large and bold not count?)

Let me reads these 5 pages you've already produced.

I'm also thinking massclaim time?

Benmage · Post Post #1149 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:17 am

Gosh noones here to care