Weather Mafia II (GAME OVER)

[kuribo]

kuribo -- (???), Organic, Coroner

no one ever asked, but my rolename is Al Robbins (the bearded guy from CSI)

[DrippingGoofball]

I have no information. If I did, it would be posthumous anyway.

I'm looking at Tierce's color votecounts right now.

[DrippingGoofball]

i would imagine part of it is the fact that Ben implied he was bulletproof

WAIT

Both TSQ and Benmage claim BP?

At least one is scum, then.

[DrippingGoofball]

Most significant VC is Day 2, end of day.

redscum-Fate and bluescum-Katsuki are voting Amrun.

ONE BLUE & 1 RED HERE 25%
Amrun 50
Tierce 50
Untrod Tripod 50
kuribo 50

ONE IS SCUM HERE, COLOR IS UNCERTAIN
Shadoweh 50
Benmage 50

ONE BLUE & 1 RED HERE
Amrun 30
Thestatusquo 30
Tierce 30
kondi2424 30
kuribo 30
Benmage 30

In other words I can't predict scum color so I'll aggregate.

80 Amrun
80 Tierce
80 kuribo
80 Benmage
50 UT
50 Shadoweh
30 TSQ
30 kondi

I wouldn't mind lynching Benmage.

[kuribo]

i would imagine part of it is the fact that Ben implied he was bulletproof

WAIT

Both TSQ and Benmage claim BP?

At least one is scum, then.

he didn't claim outright, he didn't claim anything really


he simply said on D1 for docs not to protect him because he "had it covered"

[kuribo]

also DGB, i can 100% assure that kondi was town

and a pineapple

[Amrun]

Tierce, I'm inorganic. I'm a robot.

[Benmage]

Tierce how am I not amongst "unlikely" blue? I led the vote against Kats. And the way I voted BBmolla seems hard to fabricate as scum.

[Benmage]

I see no reason not to reveal this I suppose.

Megaman Joat. How is Megaman a tracker

Anyways my abilities were Vig, BP, RB.

It was guts man for vig
ice man for rb
and i think rockman for bp

I used rockman the night before we lynched Fate, So N3.... I thought Fate was gonna try and NK me, and I had him pegged as scum (hence the faketrack)

I was thinking of using it N1, as I was alluding too.. but then thought to outguess scum a bit and I thought it could be real powerful late game. (but got paranoid with fate)

[Tierce]

Funnily enough, Cobalt's Law would say I'm scum in just about every town game.

Fixing claims list, brb.

[Tierce]

Claims:
Shadoweh -- Frederick Barbarossa, Organic, Town Villager
DrippingGoofball -- The Darkness, (???), Conditional Hider
Amrun -- Eve, Machine, Organic Cop
Thestatusquo -- Psyduck, (Organic?), Variable Un-nightkillable
Untrod Tripod -- C3PO, Machine, Seeking Neighborizer
Tierce -- Clock, Machine, Town Villager
kuribo -- Al Robbins, Organic, Coroner
Benmage -- Mega Man, Cyborg, JoAT [day vigilante, bulletproof, roleblocker]


We have a robot that flipped Machine (Kats was BioHazard) and Metal Sonic also flipped Machine, so I'm assuming that the current robot claims are Machines--it's not like they have an organic component.

Amrun's D2 reaction to the two organic flips and her behavior toward kuribo's Organic/Human claim make sense from a "I thought I was a regular town cop" perspective.

Amrun, ask Glork what you would get on a Cyborg investigation--they are cybernetic with organic parts, after all. And... why am I scum again? I fail to see why that specific line of mine should change your mind, but your behavior afterwards implies you don't think I'm scum anymore, and yet keep voting me (you saw my vote count). Random placeholder vote, or what?

[Amrun]

Can you clarify your last paragraph, because I am confused.

Asking Glork.

[Tierce]

All I can do is point to my ISO and say that I don't think scum would behave that way (that is, that my behavior is something scum wouldn't do), and that this is very different from the finished games that have Tiercescum

I wasn't asking for proof. I was asking for this.

The way you've interacted with me after the above makes it look like you don't think I'm scum, yet you are still voting me. What is it?

[Amrun]

I'm FENCESITTING (tm).

I really think the case I put forth on you describes classic scum behavior, but it disagrees with my gut. But I have reasons not to vote everyone else.

[Tierce]

Oh okay. Carry on, then. I can't quite argue against FENCESITTING (tm).


Benmage, you are still the player with fewer mechanical aspects indicating you're not likely to be BB/Katsuki's buddy. I'd like to say that using the BP ability (if you used it, anyway) N3 says you couldn't kill that night (unless you can kill and use an ability if you are the last scum standing, which some mods allow), but if you did use BP and two other people were shot, the fake guilty on Fate makes NO SENSE, because anyone could have shot kondi and Yos. Declaring you were paranoid about Fate is irrelevant here--if you used BP and there were two other kills, why claim a guilty on

anyone

?

Declaring a guilty on Fate on D4 makes no sense, and the way you did it was far more pressuring than the claimed N4 roleblock on Poro and the consequent "I roleblocked Poro and there was no kill, so Poro is scum". I think you had an actual guilty on Fate, but knew Poro would flip town--and that makes you bluescum Cop, matching Reck's role.

Somewhat tempted to say the Reck shot was a factional ability, and that it replaced bluescum's N1 shot.

So:

Benmage/BB/Katsuki

, with a daykill factional ability that replaces the following night's kill.
Katsuki - Annihilator, who obscures the alignment of the target (Katsuki shot Yosarian2, was redirected to Cow via Cow's ability).
Benmage - Cop.
BBmolla - Henchman = Goon.

And it fits in which BB's absurd reaction to the daykill. snifit was redscum's target and he protected someone who wasn't targeted N1.

I like the way this puzzle falls together.

VOTE: Benmage

[Tierce]

YES AMRUN I'M HUNTING BLUESCUM OHNOES.

[Tierce]

YES AMRUN I'M HUNTING BLUESCUM OHNOES.

Spoiler: Hey, Amrun.

Let's see how long until this theory gets me upgraded to 'raving luantic'.

[Amrun]

I've been thinking about that myself.

Because not everyone I think is town is town; that's just a basic fact, now that prozac's dead.

But some things give me pause. Let me see if I can remember what with some digging.

p-edit: You can be a raving luantic if you want, and you can make it mean something lovely.

[Amrun]

Yeah, it was vca.

On day 1, BBmolla was on the Benmage wagon.

On day 2, Benmage basically vote parked on Katsuki and pushed that wagon pretty hard.

But him still being alive is just ... It doesn't make sense.

[Tierce]

Are you implying that Benmage isn't cunning enough to bus convincingly? The more Scorched Earth-like he played, the more squeaky clean he'd come off looking.

It's

Katsuki

. It's a delicious bus, but if Benmage is bluescum, he didn't mean for Kats to actually get lynched there, as evidenced by his jump onto a Staeg town wagon before the modkill.

[Amrun]

No, but ignoring it cuz "lololBenmage" is not smart.

[Tierce]

And he's the one who has been going "give me a top three lynch targets". If this doesn't reek of scum trying to see who is a good nightkill and who can be left as lynchbait, I don't know what does.


I'm not ignoring it "because lololBenmage". I'm saying he's actually

cunning

enough to be playing that way. I'm saying that Ben is rather clearly not redscum in the way he interacted with Reck, SK and Fate, but has very likely traits of bluescum, and the difference in his behavior with Fate and Poro is rather scary, when he had supposedly

nothing

to go on with Fate, quite a bit to go on with Poro, and

yet

pushed Fate much stronger than he pushed Poro. I think that, in truth, Benmage had a guilty on Fate (via being a Scumbag cop) and had nothing/an innocent on Poro.

[Amrun]

pushed Fate much stronger than he pushed Poro

This is the thing that really stands out to me. It's been bugging me. That's why I wanted his fullclaim today.

I'm going to go out on a limb, because better today than no-flip tomorrow.

VOTE: Benmage

Alternatively: Benmage can't nightkill, but had a 1-shot daykill, explaining our lack of nightkills lately (or partially, at least).

[Tierce]

He had at least one nightkill, because Yos died after Katsuki.

[Amrun]

oh. :/ nvm then.