Weather Mafia II (GAME OVER)

[Shadoweh]

DGB hasn't done anything since being cop-cleared. You've caught scum on both teams and failed to die. That's why you're suspicious over an innocent that keeps pushing town as scum.

in case it's not clear, I'm saying that a benmage lynch would be a fucking cop-out

with this player list, and with those of us that are living, I'd say that there is a 100% chance of the remaining scum being very experienced, very tricky players. Each of us still living are known around the site, and each of us are very capable as scum, but also very capable scumhunters.

I don't even have a completed game visible anymore. I have no completed scum games. Your reasoning works on everyone but the person your vote was on when you said this.

Motivational speeches are good but they shouldn't be a substitute for an actual case.

The person providing the least to any of these discussions while town attempts to mutilate itself is Untrod Tripod. My vote is not moving.

[Untrod Tripod]

The person providing the least to any of these discussions while town attempts to mutilate itself is me, as I have done nothing but push the same bullshit case since literally Day 1, when I tried to push a counterwagon to a lynch on someone who flipped scum. Don't mind me, I'm just going say UT is scum, UT is scum, UT is scum for 5 game days while giving absolutely no reason for it whatsoever

FTFY

Inculcation works significantly better on dumber people

[Shadoweh]

Except for those reasons I've been giving since Day 1. I don't know what Inculcation means. You've been trying to push the same bullshit lynch on the grounds that you were a counterwagon to scum in a game with different colors. You're not innocent.

[Untrod Tripod]

we're done here. you're either scum or stupid, neither of which is curable with logic.

p.s. if you don't know the definition of a word just look the damn thing up. saying you don't know a word in a post on an internet forum is just dumb spacefiller

[Untrod Tripod]

On other notes:

I have townreads on shea, Tierce and kuribo. DGB has that cop read, but sanities blah blah blah also she hasn't really done anything this game.

I've had a niggling feeling about Benmage for a while, but I don't think lynching him is a good idea today. I have my doubts about Amrun, but I really can't see scum being so flippant about not reading the game.

Basically, like everyone else, the game has been whittled down to my town reads. Urgh.

[Amrun]

I was a counterwagon to that same scum on that same day, UT. does that make me town?

[Untrod Tripod]

it puts you on the shortlist for not-blue, yeah

[Amrun]

Didn't you read Team Mafia last year? How about PetsPick?

You have to examine a wagon to show WHY it's a town counterwagon. Counterwagon =/= a town counterwagon

[Shadoweh]

We've been 'done' for five days. I resent the implication that you ever tried to start a conversation with me.

[Untrod Tripod]

I'm not claiming I can prove that I'm not-red with wagon evidence. But claiming that BBmolla jumped from hard bussing his one buddy (which wasn't really going anywhere, but would have set him up to look good later if he'd lived) to a completely illogical counterwagon on his other buddy in a declaredly opportunistic way is dumb. BBmolla wouldn't have looked better the next day even if I had flipped blue, so I'm not really seeing the reasoning for him accelerating the lynch of the other bluescum. BBmolla's reaction reads as him saying "this is a distracting mislynch!" rather than "ok! I'll bus my

other

buddy now!"

pedit: I've tried to engage you several times. Quit the revisionist shit, it's not a good look.

[Shadoweh]

No, you haven't. If you think you have you're rewriting your own memory.

[Thestatusquo]

I'm reading the rest of the game just fine, thanks, but right now I need to get you lynched in order to win, since you're scum. So I'm devoting my attention to it. Plus, you're making it really obvious if only everyone else would sit up and pay attention.

[Amrun]

Joke's on you.

[Benmage]

Votes on shadow or Shea. Lets do this.

[Benmage]

Guys, we had two claimed ways why we had no kill. One was lynched, and was town. the other way not.

Can we lynch the only possible reason we had no kill last night?

Shea this post came. While it seemed the answer when I had also blocked poro. Now that that failed and we have another night of no kills... this no longer looks as reasonable.

[Untrod Tripod]

Votes on shadow or Shea. Lets do this.

why shea?

[Tierce]

Important question: why did kondi die? Fate did not kill him because he was obvtown, because he was 1) not really aware of it, from his reply to me and 2) obvtown kondi is not nearly as much of a danger to Fatescum (kondi likes Fate quite a bit, AFAICT) as over half of the living playerlist.

So. Why did redscum kill kondi? It's a very suboptimal target, not really participating in the game, not as experienced as most of the rest (exceptions being Shadoweh and me, iirc), not really pushing lynches with any conviction, no PR. Why that death above everyone else still alive here + Poro + Yos?

[kuribo]

kondi replaced MattP, though, and pretty much everyone in the game declared him town when I thought he was scum

or maybe they thought they picked up a breadcrumb

[Tierce]

Not really, they didn't. They were just ignoring him, iirc; as far as I know, I was one of the few outright calling MattP town.

The thing is:

it was not for being obvtown/a consensual townread

. I don't think Fate lied when he said this after the hammer:

Kondi was obvtown?

Good thing we killed him then.

Although I really wanted to kill Benmage, hindsight bias ETC

This looks like his team wasn't aware that kondi was obvtown.

It might have been a breadcrumb or something, but it's not the consensual townread, and in any case, why kill kondi who isn't being a real danger to anyone?


Also wondering whether Poro's "I like pineapple" post was REALLY a drunkpost/filler/prod dodge, or whether he had some kind of result in that slot.

[kuribo]

hm I forgot fate had said that

definitely think they thought they were crosskilling

kinda early to be trying to crosskill the last scum, though, wasn't it?

[Tierce]

Staeg trying to pick at the lowest fruit hanging on his wagon?

Lynch is a go.

Don't give a fuck who Kondi replaced he's all right in my book

Staeg trying to pick at the lowest fruit hanging on his wagon?

Wait, the heck is this?

This looks like a respectable wagon.

VOTE: Staeg

Are you done with reading the game?

What makes it a respectable wagon?

Trying to paint KONDI as scum on your wagon? Your agenda couldn't be any more transparent to me.

meh just for Tierce maybe

Not a roleblocker.

Hitokiri Battousai, Town Foggy Vigilante

Can only kill during fog conditions to cover up my kills blah blah.

Killed KONDI because I didn't care what he flipped and he was basically a policy vig. If I KNEW we had a coroner I would've shot one of my actual scumreads, like Amrun or Shadoweh.

Fate was obvious in this switch (which was one of the reasons that led me to that "you don't kill obvtown, Fate" comment). These are the only times he even mentions the slot (not counting D1 and not bothering to go there atm because bed soon) and he jumps from TOWN SURE FINE LET'S BUDDY HUEHUEHUE to POLICY VIG. Yes, he was caught scum when he had to admit a vig on kondi, but this kind of sloppy play may help us find slips from him earlier on. Better yet if there are matching patterns between him and SK, as replacee-scum tends to be more consistent than replacee-town.


Hi, I would like to see anyone but me actually show any interest in what has happened before now, and acknowledge the 120 pages (*groan*) we have of backlog? We might find something.

If anything, it's very weird that this game is down to these specific slots. Sure, we were lynching among the least vocal players and are apparently missing 5 kills so far, but it's still odd that this town is what scum are planning to guide into LyLo. kuribo has it right--Shadoweh and I are newer players, but wtf are you lot doing

all

still alive? We need to deconstruct this.


N1:
Why did snifit die? It's another suboptimal kill. I had a townread on him, but I don't think anyone else actually really bothered with the slot.

N2:
Why singer? Why was singer a threat to redscum after Reck died, considering she wasn't showing much dayplay work and was constantly catching up? Yes, it's possible that scum picked up on her "DGB is town" D2 opening (and I know Fate only PR-hunts for obvcops). Are there any other reasons?

N3:
Why Yos? Who is Last Blue standing that would benefit from offing Yos and/or framing Poro?

Food for thought, but first, bed.

[Tierce]

SHENANIGANS. I CALL SHENANIGANS

Explain.

[Tierce]

Yosarian pointed out, quite well, that Poro's posts seem to be driving lynches on the surface without really believing in them. He supported the UN lynch without appearing to have actually read any of UN's posts.

It's honestly not very much about what's IN Poro's posts and what's NOT in them - scumhunting or anything useful. He's very blah. I think BB's posts point to him being bluebuddy.

At some point, I'll probably go through his posts and put a finger on the things that bother me.

I think Amrun is town, but this could be EXACTLY what bluescum wanted from killing Yos. Amrun inherited Yos's case on Poro--now it remains to see what's the motivation.


And aaack, bed. >.> Will continue later, because I intend to dig up this crap and figure out this game.

[Untrod Tripod]

SHENANIGANS. I CALL SHENANIGANS

Explain.

I was pissed off that there were now three no-flips? I don't see what's unclear about that.

[Shadoweh]

UT I investigated based upon suspicion as well, but when my attempted breadcrumb (breadcrumbing something so clunky is very awkward) turned into him telling me he was an Android, I decided he was likely town. He was so un-scared of telling me I was an Android, and was more curious about me than concerned about my fishing.

Well, also I basically claimed my role name on day 1, so I've never really been concerned about people knowing I was a 'droid

UT, can you point out when this happened? Searching through all your Day 1 posts I didn't see you say anything about your role or R2D2.