Open 396 - Democracy Ho! (D3)

[Psyche]

unvote; vote Chrimi

What a bland and careful entrance. You have 2 pages of — I can't honestly call it content — and nothing to say about it! Fie, Chrimi. Fie.

(I wonder what Fie means...)

[Chrimi]

(me too)

If you can't call it content, then I can't have anything to say about it

[Psyche]

Now three pages. Stop fluffposting and lead us to scum.

[Chrimi]

Because you guys aren't fluffposting?

:S

[Psyche]

See, we already have an evaluative judgment about the thread. Why aren't you acting by it? Doesn't the fluff nonetheless contain (or imply) information about our thoughts, interests, and beliefs that are sufficient for judgment? And what makes you think they are fluff? Is the presence of fluffposting created by oer players a sufficent reason to fluffpost, yourself?

(/interrogative troll)

[Chrimi]

I have no idea what you just asked.

[Psyche]

I give up.

[Chrimi]

Give up? You must be scum, town should never give up!

VOTE: Psyche

(What just happened...?)

[Psyche]

You just proved your scumhood and the wagons will shift accordingly. Now that we've hit the bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.

[Chrimi]

bulls eye, dominoes fall like cards. Checkmate?

Aww man, I already love you.

[2birds1stone]

2b1s, you can't say "I think x is playing to his town meta" without knowing x's scum meta. They could be the exact same, or they could be similar but having a subtle difference that you can't notice without closer inspection.

Okay. You really should italicise 'x' though. Variables should always be italicised.

Pseudointellective earlygame banter doesn't need to extend into spam wars, guys.

Yes, it really does. Mafia is a constructive spam war. It generally helps to get a spam war going and them make it constructive through the use of reason. Questions are good too, and I like your questions. +1 to Psyche.

@Psyche: What do you think of Om of the Nom vs. 2birds1stone? Town vs. Town? Scum vs. Scum? Town vs. Scum? Third party vs. Mod? Alien vs. Predator? Totally worthless?
@Everyone: Who here has played with Chrimi before? Is this play normal for him?

Om of the Nom: I've voted four times in two pages. Two of those votes were in the same post. Three of those votes were silly. One was serious, and I'm pretty sure your main objection to it is the fact that it's on you. Four serious votes in two pages would be scummy, but three RVS votes are perfectly legit.

I'm sorry, taking flippiant posts seriously is generally a scumtell, and when just out of RVS, 'generally scumtells' become '100% scumtells' until someone does something to put the 'generally scumtell' in its proper place.

[Psyche]

Ooh, this guy has theoretical background.

The three pages complete write now will only serve as fodder for pareidolia - the biased perception of vague and trivial stimuli as significant — that will lead to further pareidolia, and maybe something more later on.

Om's a really nice guy, but your buddying (+1, Psyche!) seems less harmless. So far, you give off slightly more scummy vibes. But I don't think buddying is a valid scumtell anyhow (everyone, not just scum, seeks political capital in this game, and often unconsciously), so I'm probably just rationalizing an emotional uneasiness with your posts, which may or may not be a valid source of knowledge.

Blah, blah.

tl;dr: I got nothing, but I'ma make somethin'.

[2birds1stone]

I hate to go all greentext on this game, but

>You think buddying gives off scummy vibes
>You don't think it's a scumtell

Pick one.

Okay, I admit, they're not quite mutually exclusive, but you've gotta admit, it does look strange when written like that.

I think the word 'buddying' is misused a lot, but maybe I'm the one misusing it. Anyway, I've always considered 'buddying' to be 'making someone look like your buddy'. 'Acting friendly towards someone' is not 'buddying', under this definition. I actually don't see how acting friendly towards people helps scum, the majority of the town is always going to be looking at the game from a fairly logical perspective. Long time IRL friends in the same game still attack each other.

This is gonna be one of those games where all the hyperactive posters make the regular posters look like lurkers, isn't it? Does this mean we should disregard lurker lynching?

After that question is answered, we should probably cut the theory discussion and get to

lynching Om of the Nom

hunting scum.

[Staeg]

Ooh, this guy has theoretical background.

The three pages complete write now will only serve as fodder for pareidolia - the biased perception of vague and trivial stimuli as significant — that will lead to further pareidolia, and maybe something more later on.

Om's a really nice guy, but your buddying (+1, Psyche!) seems less harmless. So far, you give off slightly more scummy vibes. But I don't think buddying is a valid scumtell anyhow (everyone, not just scum, seeks political capital in this game, and often unconsciously), so I'm probably just rationalizing an emotional uneasiness with your posts, which may or may not be a valid source of knowledge.

Blah, blah.

tl;dr: I got nothing, but I'ma make somethin'.

Why did both chrimi and psyche (re)enter the thread without saying anything that has something to do with anything? There was a fair bit of stuff to comment on.

[SpyreX]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 4

2birds1stone

- 2 - Kamikrazy, Staeg - (L-2)

Chrimi

- 1 - Psyche - (L-3)

Om of the Nom

- 1 - 2birds1stone - (L-3)

Psyche

- 1 - Chrimi - (L-3)

Staeg

- 1 - Om of the Nom - (L-3)

Players not voting: Prolapsed Brain

[Om of the Nom]

@2b1s: No, Chrimi doesn't normally act like this, but the games I'm playing with him are ongoing so I can't say much. However, meta side his posts are lackluster and full of nothing. Discussion has already started happening and he has provided nothing to further it.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Chrimi
Also "buddying" basically means acting in a certain way to another player to try and get them on your side.

@Staeg: You basically just did the exact same thing.

[Chrimi]

@2b1s: No, Chrimi doesn't normally act like this, but the games I'm playing with him are ongoing so I can't say much. However, meta side his posts are lackluster and full of nothing. Discussion has already started happening and he has provided nothing to further it.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Chrimi
Also "buddying" basically means acting in a certain way to another player to try and get them on your side.

@Staeg: You basically just did the exact same thing.

Show me the discussion without making me laugh at it.

[Chrimi]

Om, you're really butthurt towards me, aren't ya?

And yes, this is very normal for me.

[Chrimi]

In fact
VOTE: Om
For hating me as soon as I join the game.

[Chrimi]

Okay, things of note so far relating to 2b1s:

I would be voting 2b1s right now, but a quick count of votes reveals he's at L-1 already.
2b1s has also voted 4 times throughout 2 pages.

During RVS.

2b1s is pushing a case on me based on something that can be read in multiple ways.
2b1s is being highly hypocritical.

You keep forgetting that stuff really doesn't matter during RVS, correct?

See what kind of stuff you're giving me to 'comment' on? It's terrible.

[Om of the Nom]

Oh wow, I wasn't expecting it to be this easy.
Calling it now, 2b1s and Chrimi scumteam.

Nice OMGUS btw.

[Psyche]

I hate to go all greentext on this game, but

>You think buddying gives off scummy vibes
>You don't think it's a scumtell

Pick one.

Okay, I admit, they're not quite mutually exclusive, but you've gotta admit, it does look strange when written like that.

I think the word 'buddying' is misused a lot, but maybe I'm the one misusing it. Anyway, I've always considered 'buddying' to be 'making someone look like your buddy'. 'Acting friendly towards someone' is not 'buddying', under this definition. I actually don't see how acting friendly towards people helps scum, the majority of the town is always going to be looking at the game from a fairly logical perspective. Long time IRL friends in the same game still attack each other.

This is gonna be one of those games where all the hyperactive posters make the regular posters look like lurkers, isn't it? Does this mean we should disregard lurker lynching?

After that question is answered, we should probably cut the theory discussion and get to

lynching Om of the Nom

hunting scum.

We generally agree on buddying, except I was using a different definition (Om's definition). I do think friendliness is an implied factor used to judge scumhood. But I'll need to perform so analysis on that someday to test that hypothesis, it seems.

In either case, not particularly scummy.

Ooh, this guy has theoretical background.

The three pages complete write now will only serve as fodder for pareidolia - the biased perception of vague and trivial stimuli as significant — that will lead to further pareidolia, and maybe something more later on.

Om's a really nice guy, but your buddying (+1, Psyche!) seems less harmless. So far, you give off slightly more scummy vibes. But I don't think buddying is a valid scumtell anyhow (everyone, not just scum, seeks political capital in this game, and often unconsciously), so I'm probably just rationalizing an emotional uneasiness with your posts, which may or may not be a valid source of knowledge.

Blah, blah.

tl;dr: I got nothing, but I'ma make somethin'.

Why did both chrimi and psyche (re)enter the thread without saying anything that has something to do with anything? There was a fair bit of stuff to comment on.

You're right, but Chrimi was here, so I commented on that. Problem?

Okay, things of note so far relating to 2b1s:

I would be voting 2b1s right now, but a quick count of votes reveals he's at L-1 already.
2b1s has also voted 4 times throughout 2 pages.

During RVS.

2b1s is pushing a case on me based on something that can be read in multiple ways.
2b1s is being highly hypocritical.

You keep forgetting that stuff really doesn't matter during RVS, correct?

See what kind of stuff you're giving me to 'comment' on? It's terrible.

Chrimi, posts like these make the game go forward. Commenting on these posts without simply dismissing them makes the game g forward.

Ex. if the attack seems terrible, doesn't it seem like a nice basis for an earlygame lynch?

Personally, I think it's more protown a post than yours.

[2birds1stone]

Well, this is awkward.

Chrimi does look a tad scummy.

However, I don't think he's scum with Om of the Nom.

I really want Om of the Nom to be scum, because, well, calling scum out on page two would be awesome.

However, I do like the whole 'two L-2 wagons' thing we've got going here.

Woah, wait? Om of the Nom, that seems a somewhat... oppurtunistic [to use an overused adjective] wagon. Like, you didn't take to Chrimi's wagon until Psyche votes him and I ask about his meta?

Of course, this could well be confirmation bias.

[2birds1stone]

They honestly don't look like scumbuddies to me, they're incredibly open about attacking each other, and genuinely do seem to want the other one lynched. In a seven player game with three PRs, getting your buddy lynched is incedibly risky, it can lead to autowin situations where all three PRs confirm themselves the next day.

Of course, scum could give town non-confirmable roles in order to facilitate the more aggressive game.

[Om of the Nom]

Yep man, that confirmation bias. There's nothing wrong with it if you look at it without biased eyes.

Also I called out the scumteam within 150 posts in my newbie game.