Mini 1327: Murder in the Louvre- Day 6

Vi · Post Post #850 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2012 12:49 pm

In post 848, Katsuki wrote:Pretty sure you're wrong because I would never say in any game that I was "reading" the game, especially not one like this with wall posters.

Come now are we all going to play the "pretend to never have played with Katsuki" game? Charter I can maybe understand since we've only had 1 or 2 games together, but you I know are much more aware of how I play.

You got lynched in MoCO (Town) for I don't even remember why but you didn't fight it that hard.
IIRC you got Recked out of Blackest Night (scum of some kind) for being obv.
You were kind enough to fakeclaim Cop in MetaTiger (M.Traitor) and got wastefully lynched for that.
You helped Fate screw over the Town in MetaMafia (Town) and got wastefully lynched for that.

Beyond that I'm really not that aware of how you play, no.

As it stands, you are correct that I did not explicitly say why a counterwagon would be difficult to get at this time, though one would imply it from how I said that the

main

wagon would be difficult to get. In addition if a counterwagon would be easy to get there would BE ONE that had more than three people on it.

Of course, I have no idea why I'm saying all this to someone who shamelessly jumped on the main wagon, but completeness, etc.

Yosarian2 · Post Post #851 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2012 12:54 pm

In post 835, charter wrote:Alright, I was just in a game with UN and his play was totally different. I had him as scum that game, and he responded totally different to pressure. I severely doubt UN is scum. That's one of the major reasons I'm not voting him.

Ok. I ISO'd UN's play in that game, and I'm not sure I really see the differnece. Can you spell it out for me?

Zar · Post Post #852 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2012 1:12 pm

Seriously? WHY is Furc a top town read?

Furcolow stinks a la Roquefort.

In post 43, Furcolow wrote:
unvote;
vote: shos

flailing

"I just want to say something to hop into your wagon."

In post 114, Furcolow wrote:
unvote;
vote: uberninja

townread on both of the top wagons
i dislike the way uberninja is trying to get the wagon off of shos, but is setting up for an easy excuse to jump on with his "he's probably scum but I don't want to lynch him
yet
"

"Let me just repeat what Zar said"

In post 209, Furcolow wrote:
In post 205, UberNinja wrote:
analyze this, people. does this sound like scum to you?

I got a scumread on him, but I don't see that wagon going anywhere today
If it does pick up steam, I would jump on, because it has my support

I feel like he is flailing the same way shos did earlier in the game. Shos jumping onto your wagon, and then back off when it didn't build steam, has me questioning my read on you tbh.

"Yada Yada, I want to have an opportunity to say I suspected him before"

In post 214, Furcolow wrote:
In post 211, Parama wrote:
In post 193, Furcolow wrote:
that was obviously a joke

not necessarily

you can be scum, but i don't see you making that gambit as scum, so you're being sarcastic

Wishy Washy

In post 538, Furcolow wrote:Vi's looking scummier
UN is now my strongest town read

placeholder on Vi.

In post 615, Furcolow wrote:So you think Vi is scum? I had a townread on her, but I'm feeling like some pressure there would be nice. I'm tired of her defenses, honestly, and am wondering if she's just trying to buy town cred

unvote;
vote: vi

I isod Nuwen, and I'm just now seeing it. There are much better candidates.

Huh? ViTown? What was 538 about?

And seriously, the only vote he's put that isn't a wagon hop was on me. And the reason? Asking other people where did FurcTown come from?

UNVOTE

VOTE FURCOLOW

Vi · Post Post #853 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2012 1:17 pm

Zar, juuuuuuuust checking, but are you at all conscious of the game you are playing right now?~

Katsuki · Post Post #854 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2012 1:17 pm

In post 850, Vi wrote:
In post 848, Katsuki wrote:Pretty sure you're wrong because I would never say in any game that I was "reading" the game, especially not one like this with wall posters.

Come now are we all going to play the "pretend to never have played with Katsuki" game? Charter I can maybe understand since we've only had 1 or 2 games together, but you I know are much more aware of how I play.
You got lynched in MoCO (Town) for I don't even remember why but you didn't fight it that hard.
IIRC you got Recked out of Blackest Night (scum of some kind) for being obv.
You were kind enough to fakeclaim Cop in MetaTiger (M.Traitor) and got wastefully lynched for that.
You helped Fate screw over the Town in MetaMafia (Town) and got wastefully lynched for that.

I got lynched in MoCO because I couldn't OUT-CAPS scumFate.
I got lynched in Blackest Night because a Mason Recruiter Reck died trying to recruit me and mason buddy outed me.
I got screwed over in MetaTiger by cheating red-text.

You're leaving out Dynasty Warriors mafia where we shared a QT and was really the game where we played the most together.

Vi wrote:
As it stands, you are correct that I did not explicitly say why a counterwagon would be difficult to get at this time, though one would imply it from how I said that the
main
wagon would be difficult to get. In addition if a counterwagon would be easy to get there would BE ONE that had more than three people on it.

Of course, I have no idea why I'm saying all this to someone who shamelessly jumped on the main wagon, but completeness, etc.

Considering the main wagon had only 4 votes, and other wagon only 3, painting me as scum bussing and going "nope no plausible counter wagon nu uh" is a pretty piss poor argument.

Oh well I'd try and push for your lynch but I'm not going to get it today so.

Katsuki · Post Post #855 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2012 1:18 pm

Oh god this game.

NEED MOAR BULLETS

kanyeknowsbest · Post Post #856 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2012 1:22 pm

as some1 who has played a lot of games with katsuki i can say this is par for the course and isnt making me lean one way or the other on him. its too bad you were only obvtown in the game where i was scum and already knew your alignment :<

Katsuki · Post Post #857 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2012 1:23 pm

In post 856, kanyeknowsbest wrote:as some1 who has played a lot of games with katsuki i can say this is par for the course and isnt making me lean one way or the other on him. its too bad you were only obvtown in the game where i was scum and already knew your alignment :<

Yeah and it'll be years before I ever put in the effort I did for that game again.

OK maybe I'm lying with Team Mafia coming up but still.

kanyeknowsbest · Post Post #858 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2012 1:26 pm

hey kats lets be scumbuddies in another game sometime those are always lots of fun

Zar · Post Post #859 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2012 1:27 pm

In post 786, shos wrote:
look at UN's bandwagoning again. this is what, the 5th person he's voting already?

Eh, I don't see how that specifically is a reason for anyone to be scum. Some players just vote more than others.

Vi · Post Post #860 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2012 1:30 pm

In post 854, Katsuki wrote:
[Vi]
painting me as scum bussing

You might be right about the you-not-reading-the-game part. <.<

I take it the answer to Vi 853 is "no".

kanyeknowsbest · Post Post #861 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2012 1:31 pm

btw something id like to point out that ive been thinking a little about, this wagon (Elmo TeH AzN (4): Nuwen, kanyeknowsbest, Yosarian2, Furcolow,) did not get pushed through by scum. i think its undeniable that i will take a lot of heat (the most out of ne1 on the wagon) should elmo flip town. 2 conclusions im gonna have to come back to after he flips eventually (i swear to god if he makes it more than a few days without flipping im gonna be steamin mad!!), scum refusing to bus or a scum heavy wagon that didnt get any town support.

Zar · Post Post #862 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2012 1:41 pm

In post 801, Parama wrote:i'm so sick of this day 1
can we lynch someone slready

preferrably scum?

In post 810, shos wrote:no it's not a threat; but your last few posts are really void of any content.

In post 815, UberNinja wrote:
Unabashed Uncensored Unleashed Unbridled Unrated Conjecture Time!

I am going back through to ISO all of these players (both simultaneously) and see what I can see. I'm not going to do 3 at once because that's stupid. But I can draw connections well enough based on 2 players, so here are the possible scum pairs, and I will give my thoughts on each along with the likelihood, when I get the chance.

Spoiler: Possible scum pairings
shos
Vi

shos
diddin/Katsuki

shos
QuilmoTeHAzN

shos
Pirate Chiermosticada

shos
Yosarian2

shos
Parama

shos
Nuwen

shos
Zar

shos
charter

shos
kanyeknowsbest

shos
Furcolow

Vi
diddin/Katsuki

Vi
QuilmoTeHAzN

Vi
Pirate Chiermosticada

Vi
Yosarian2

Vi
Parama

Vi
Nuwen

Vi
Zar

Vi
charter

Vi
kanyeknowsbest

Vi
Furcolow

diddin/Katsuki
QuilmoTeHAzN

diddin/Katsuki
Pirate Chiermosticada

diddin/Katsuki
Yosarian2

diddin/Katsuki
Parama

diddin/Katsuki
Nuwen

diddin/Katsuki
Zar

diddin/Katsuki
charter

diddin/Katsuki
kanyeknowsbest

diddin/Katsuki
Furcolow

QuilmoTeHAzN
Pirate Chiermosticada

QuilmoTeHAzN
Yosarian2

QuilmoTeHAzN
Parama

QuilmoTeHAzN
Nuwen

QuilmoTeHAzN
Zar

QuilmoTeHAzN
charter

QuilmoTeHAzN
kanyeknowsbest

QuilmoTeHAzN
Furcolow

Pirate Chiermosticada
Yosarian2

Pirate Chiermosticada
Parama

Pirate Chiermosticada
Nuwen

Pirate Chiermosticada
Zar

Pirate Chiermosticada
charter

Pirate Chiermosticada
kanyeknowsbest

Pirate Chiermosticada
Furcolow

Yosarian2
Parama

Yosarian2
Nuwen

Yosarian2
Zar

Yosarian2
charter

Yosarian2
kanyeknowsbest

Yosarian2
Furcolow

Parama
Nuwen

Parama
Zar

Parama
charter

Parama
kanyeknowsbest

Parama
Furcolow

Nuwen
Zar

Nuwen
charter

Nuwen
kanyeknowsbest

Nuwen
Furcolow

Zar
charter

Zar
kanyeknowsbest

Zar
Furcolow

charter
kanyeknowsbest

charter
Furcolow

kanyeknowsbest
Furcolow

Everyone else feel free to comment on this as well, or make your own.
I've left myself out of this list as I know I'm not scum, but if you want to add me in your own, be my guest.
It'll be more material for me to analyze.

UN-useful

without a lynch flip.

In post 853, Vi wrote:Zar, juuuuuuuust checking, but are you at all conscious of the game you are playing right now?~

Honestly, can we get over with this day?

Tiers:

Tier 1:
Would Gladly Lynch:
Uberninja, Pirate, Furcolow
Tier 2:
Would Compromise (in order of preference):
Elmo, Kanye, Nuwen, Katsuki, Parama
Tier 3:
Town Reads:
shos, Charter, Vi, Yosarian

Zar · Post Post #863 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2012 1:44 pm

Tiers are also the response to 810.

We better try to agree on the lynch, we can't still be on the Rainbow Voting here.

charter · Post Post #864 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2012 1:48 pm

In post 861, kanyeknowsbest wrote:btw something id like to point out that ive been thinking a little about, this wagon (Elmo TeH AzN (4): Nuwen, kanyeknowsbest, Yosarian2, Furcolow,) did not get pushed through by scum. i think its undeniable that i will take a lot of heat (the most out of ne1 on the wagon) should elmo flip town. 2 conclusions im gonna have to come back to after he flips eventually (i swear to god if he makes it more than a few days without flipping im gonna be steamin mad!!), scum refusing to bus or a scum heavy wagon that didnt get any town support.

Is there any possible way a townie makes this post? If this isn't trying to cover your ass for a wagon you know is on town, I don't know what is.

charter · Post Post #865 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2012 1:50 pm

In post 851, Yosarian2 wrote:
In post 835, charter wrote:Alright, I was just in a game with UN and his play was totally different. I had him as scum that game, and he responded totally different to pressure. I severely doubt UN is scum. That's one of the major reasons I'm not voting him.

Ok. I ISO'd UN's play in that game, and I'm not sure I really see the differnece. Can you spell it out for me?

I was on to him day two (day one lasted 3 pages) and his arguments were so ridiculous that I had to stop arguing with him altogether. I don't see that in this game.

Vi · Post Post #866 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2012 1:59 pm

Zar 862 wrote:Honestly, can we get over with this day?

Zar 852 wrote:UNVOTE
VOTE FURCOLOW

--

charter 864 wrote:Is there any possible way a townie makes this post? If this isn't trying to cover your ass for a wagon you know is on town, I don't know what is.

Well he didn't have to bring up Elmo in a UN/Nuwesarian2 fight.

kanyeknowsbest · Post Post #867 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2012 2:03 pm

In post 864, charter wrote:Is there any possible way a townie makes this post? If this isn't trying to cover your ass for a wagon you know is on town, I don't know what is.

do you disagree that its odd that none of the wagons that have made it to 4 or 5 votes have managed to get pushed through?

springlullaby · Post Post #868 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2012 2:03 pm

Day 1 votecount 13

(4) UberNinja :

shos, Nuwen, Yosarian2, Katsuki,

(3) Yosarian2

: charter, Vi, UberNinja,

(1) Elmo TeH AzN :

kanyeknowsbest,

(1) Furcolow:

Zar,

(1) Nuwen :

Elmo teh AzN,

(1) Parama :

Pirate Chemist,

(1) Pirate Chemist :

Parama,

(1) Vi:

Furcolow,

(0) charter

(0) Katsuki:

(0) kanyeknowsbest:

(0) shos:

(0) Zar:

(0) Not voting :

With 13 players, 7 votes are required to lynch.

Pirate Chemist has been prodded.

kanyeknowsbest · Post Post #869 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2012 2:04 pm

also please note im using that as further evidence that elmo is scum since everyone on that wagon with me i have a town read on. the conclusion im drawing ther eis hes scum.

Zar · Post Post #870 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2012 2:04 pm

In post 866, Vi wrote:
Zar 862 wrote:Honestly, can we get over with this day?
Zar 852 wrote:UNVOTE
VOTE FURCOLOW

Why is he a town read of yours?

Vi · Post Post #871 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2012 2:08 pm

In post 870, Zar wrote:
In post 866, Vi wrote:
Zar 862 wrote:Honestly, can we get over with this day?
Zar 852 wrote:UNVOTE
VOTE FURCOLOW
Why is he a town read of yours?

I'll give you another chance.

Zar 862 wrote:We better try to agree on the lynch, we can't still be on the Rainbow Voting here.

Zar 868 wrote:(1) Furcolow: Zar,

Vi · Post Post #872 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2012 2:08 pm

In post 869, kanyeknowsbest wrote:also please note im using that as further evidence that elmo is scum since everyone on that wagon with me i have a town read on. the conclusion im drawing ther eis hes scum.

Scum enough not to join any other wagon?

Zar · Post Post #873 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2012 2:11 pm

In post 862, Zar wrote:
Tiers:

Tier 1:
Would Gladly Lynch:
Uberninja, Pirate, Furcolow

Tier 2:
Would Compromise (in order of preference):
Elmo, Kanye, Nuwen, Katsuki, Parama
Tier 3:
Town Reads:
shos, Charter, Vi, Yosarian

kanyeknowsbest · Post Post #874 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2012 2:13 pm

In post 872, Vi wrote:
In post 869, kanyeknowsbest wrote:also please note im using that as further evidence that elmo is scum since everyone on that wagon with me i have a town read on. the conclusion im drawing ther eis hes scum.
Scum enough not to join any other wagon?

i really want him lynched, but i dont think its going to happen today. i dont like the un wagon or the yos wagon. id settle for pirate but theres not really anyone else i really want to lynch. ive been tunneling hard as fuck so im going to reread and ignore him and see if anyone else grabs my attention.