Open 397: Pick Your Poison! Game Over!

[Chrimi]

Also, isn't Chrimi supposed to be on total LA by now?

...

LA = Limited Access

I can only get on about once a day, if that.

[glowball]

Mmkay so Rach and LS are the only people scumhunting in your opinion? Noted.

[borkjerfkin]

Chrimi's been biased towards RachMarie even since RVS (#9), and as such, he is going to have a difficult time convincing me of anything about her without a bit more than what he's giving me. How is she being helpful?

I like LS' breadth-first approach.

NS is being consistent with what I know of his playstyle -- null.

Still don't like Rach atm (although for different reasons than TF).

Raspberry is a false positive to me right now.

SK: you dropped off a wagon just to probe a lurker? Really?

[BK201]

I'm in 4 mafias right now and I have neglected this one. Imma be active starting tomorrow. Just wanted to let ya guys know!

[Chrimi]

borkjer town~
glowball null~

[glowball]

What exactly was the point of that?

[SaintKerrigan]

SK: you dropped off a wagon just to probe a lurker? Really?

A lurker who happens to pop up to answer some RVS questions and vanish again. You got a problem with that?

[SaintKerrigan]

EBWOP: *RQS

[borkjerfkin]

How firmly do you believe what you said in #60?

[SaintKerrigan]

I said I found it suspicious. It was good enough to warrant a vote at the time. Now I like my vote where it's currently hanging at.

Are you really trying to get into an argument with me over abandoning the glorious NS wagon for a lowly lurker?

[RachMarie]

Breaking this up into a couple of posts so its not too much of a wall.

Initial Reads:

Bk

After an RVS vote on NS:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: glowball Will explain later.

Not a fan of NS' cantankerousness, as it will probably get him killed, but this wagon has very little going for it.

VOTE: BK201 One of two "RVS and then lurk" people (the other being kassadin), but he's voting for someone that's currently got a lot of non-RVS votes. This is a call to action for you.

Fair enough, but I think you're overreacting. It's been maybe two days since the thread opened and I have been busy.

I'm in 4 mafias right now and I have neglected this one. Imma be active starting tomorrow. Just wanted to let ya guys know!

Looking forward to seeing you busy.

Seems somewhat scummy atm.

Bork

Strong start, questioning people (including me), good push on BK (why did you back off of him BTW?). I like the probing and the general methodical and logical approach.

Fairly strong town read atm.

Chrimi

Bouncing around a bit, but he did that in the game we played together. Definitely looking forward to seeing more from him once he is no longer on limited access.

Null for now.

Glowball

Seems to be asking questions and trying to get discussion going. Looking forward to seeing more from her.

Null leaning town atm.

Kassadin

Lurking 2 posts one an RVS vote on SK one answers the RQS.

Some substance please?

Null leaning to scum atm.

[RachMarie]

LS

Asking questions and trying to get some discussion going. A tad lazy (and you know I will push you LS ), but seems fairly null leaning town for now.

NS

Slow start, a lot of frustration. Starting to ask questions now. Usually too easy a lynch in his games so will be watching especially if he flips town to see who pushed his wagon.

Null atm.

raspberry

Seems to have trouble understanding RVS, more likely a newb tell than a scum tell though. Feel free to ask questions about game mechanics.

Null atm.

SK

Starts off with an odd question to the mod? Can you explain that please?

RVS vote for Kassadin (I presume there is history there), then switches briefly to the NS wagon, then back to Kassadin. Would like to see more posting from him. I did like the encouraging people not to immediately lynch T and P to give them a chance to change their posting style first. I tend to be suspicious of quick bandwagons and quick lynches, especially early on D1.

Null leaning town atm.

T and P

Starts off odd and of course the farting was a bit much. Seems to be tunneling on NS and ignoring the rest of the town. Looking forward to more serious posts and I would recommend looking at the bigger picture.

Null for now.

TF

Seems to be focusing a bit on me, not really paying much attention to others in the town. Has not posted a lot so would like to see more posting from him.

Null for now.

Thomith

Starts some discussion going which is a good thing with the RQS (even if some people feel it is scummy, it did get some discussion going and that important especially this early).

Other than that and a couple of questions, not much substance yet, and looking forward to seeing more.

Null atm.


I know it is a lot of null for now, hopefully over time as more posting happens, I will be able to narrow it down more. ATM I would like to see more from BK.

VOTE: BK

[Nobody Special]

Yeah, that's an awful lot of null.

Vote: RachMarie

[glowball]

To be fair it's a 13 player game in day 1 on page 5 with less than awesome activity from some of the players. Any town reads would probably be relatively unsupported as would most scum reads. Why exactly does the amount of nulls this early bother you NS?

[Kassadin]

Im not too sure T&P atm

[RachMarie]

Im not too sure T&P atm

HUH? Could you like explain this post a tad?

[Chrimi]

What exactly was the point of that?

Stating my early reads.

[Chrimi]

And a lot of nulls 5 pages in is to be expected.

[borkjerfkin]

I said I found it suspicious. It was good enough to warrant a vote at the time. Now I like my vote where it's currently hanging at.
Are you really trying to get into an argument with me over abandoning the glorious NS wagon for a lowly lurker?

Nope. This answer is acceptable.

Strong start, questioning people

(including me)

Note the italicized. It seems odd that you would include this, as if questioning you is some sort of special case.

why did you back off of [BK201] BTW?

I don't really have anything substantial from him yet, and there's better leads right now. He's promised to generate content soon. If he breaks that promise or posts garbage, I'll be back to him.

Thomith

: you were very adamant in your criticism of NS, and then dropped off the map. Where are you now on this issue?

[Nobody Special]

To be fair it's a 13 player game in day 1 on page 5 with less than awesome activity from some of the players. Any town reads would probably be relatively unsupported as would most scum reads. Why exactly does the amount of nulls this early bother you NS?

It's not just the sheer amount of null reads; it's the structure, the presentation -- it just seems very forced.

[RachMarie]

VOTE: Kerrigan Traitor

1. id play 3rd party
2. played few games. Around 4 finished?
3. GMT 12

Im not too sure T&P atm

@NS

With people posting like 3 posts like the above, I am supposed to have a full read on everyone in town already? I am not exactly a miracle worker As for the forced that is probably because I was pushing myself in all my games to come up with a full read as best as possible based on ISOs, because I have not been performing at my best lately. It is really hard to come up with a good solid analysis of the entire town (the big picture), when I am dealing with ISOs like the above and the one BK has.

@ BK

I too want to see some serious posting from you, what you have done so far is not acceptable. Neither is Kassadins acceptable.

[Nobody Special]

Since we're only on page 5, why did you feel the need to make such a huge production out of singling out every player and giving a read on them? It just feels like you're trying too hard to look town.

[BK201]

... Glowball was just giving theory discussion in his last few posts before you said that... theory discussion is null.

Denouncing town reads is scummy. Also, you're really stretching your NS case.

I like my vote where it is.

@Rasp: Thoughts on the game so far? You haven't done much.

theory

is

null. the town motivation for it is to help, the scum motivation is to appear like you're helping, while not having to weigh in on the actual game, since you're only talking about theory.

@Rasp: Thoughts on the game so far? You haven't done much.

I'm following along, but it's going pretty slowly.

If you are following along why haven't you responded to me?

Here it is for reference:

raspberrylicious: just a fore warning I do not going for the quote with a vote thing. If you quoted something and placed a vote I want you to explain how that quote affected your vote. Especially so early it seems like the vote had a reason, which means it's not random

so I'd love an explanation

.

Do you honestly believe it's going slowly? If that in fact is your honest opinion why not add to the discussion to help us move further along? There is a correlation between productivity and activity, you know.

Following a long and not posting is typically considered lurking and there is more than enough information to comment on. Also, with this wagon building on NS and your first vote still parked there are you content with that and can you explain it?

That first paragraph seems unnatural speak like "If that in fact is your honest opinion..." when you play scum you arn't playing natural, since you're having to deceive rather than say what you really think, this can lead to speaking unnaturally. That and I feel like glowball is going to be a frequent fluff user. I hate reading through fluff more than anything.

borkjer town~
glowball null~

I too want to know what the point of this was.

[BK201]

Chimri, just saw your "stating my early reads". response. Still with all the null in the early as you put it, why even list glowball?

Kassadin, you need to step it up. I understand getting to the game late, I did too, but in post 114 it seems you at least read the thread. "Im not too sure T&P atm." Is that all you had to comment on?

[Thomith]

@bork, could you explain how lurking is a scumtell as i don't see how it is.

@SK if you read kass' games they always play like that, are you jumping on the easy wagon?

also i love how you say i dropped off the map when i have not logged on so i havent just ignored the game, and i think there are more scummy people now, i think SK could be looking for an easy lynch as scum which outweighs my NS suspicion atm.

VOTE: SK
i will try to catch up on what i missed tommurrow if i missed anything.