Open 397: Pick Your Poison! Game Over!

[Elmo TeH AzN]

If you didn't read. Terrance & Phillip have been prodded.
Also No Talk about On going games.

Day 1 Vote Count, #8

With 13 Alive it takes

7

to Lynch

BK201 - 4 - (rasberrylicious, SaintKerrigan, Chrimi, Kassadin) (L-3)
Kassadin - 1 - (RachMarie) (L-6)
Thomith - 2 - (glowball, BK201) (L-5)
RachMarie - 2 - (borkjerfin, Nobody Special) (L-5)
Terrance And Phillip - 2 - (Thomith, Lastsurvivor) (L-5)
rasberrylicious - 1 - (TheFool) (L-6)
Nobody Special - 1 - (Terrance And Phillip) (L-6)

Any Errors let me know.
Deadline is in (expired on 2012-05-12 03:00:00)

Also note there is less then one week to deadline.

[Thomith]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Thomith He has misremembered, is inconsistent, and would probably like to keep Kass around because he posts rubbish.

i dont see how i am inconsistent, and i have already explained how kass is an easy lynch for scum to lurk on.
Missed this post and it makes me want to put my vote back, but i am going to pressure elsewhere for now.

[Thomith]

actually you know what, i am going to put this vote where my FOS' lie, i still support the T&P case though.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: BK

[Terrance and Phillip]

Terrance here, Phillip's sleeping but told me to make a post for us without him, so yeah. This is all me.

post 110 from RachMarie strikes me as really odd... why go to the bother of a nice fancy set out with one paragpraph for everyone if you're just going to say "null" for just about everyone... seems to me like scum trying to look like they're doing more work for town than they are... Chrimi, you've played with her, did she do that sort of thing in her games early on?

To be fair it's a 13 player game in day 1 on page 5 with less than awesome activity from some of the players. Any town reads would probably be relatively unsupported as would most scum reads. Why exactly does the amount of nulls this early bother you NS?

It's not just the sheer amount of null reads; it's the structure, the presentation -- it just seems very forced.

Just saw that Nobody Special said my exact thoughts.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kassadin Too much soft-defense of him going around.

Too much soft defence? If anything, multiple people saying he's always like that shouldn't make him scum... if more that two people say it, then it's nothing scummy, cause you know, the scumteam has three people... so if they were defending him there'd only be two people soft defending him.

At page 7 BK is looking really bad...

It'd be nice to be able to metacheck our Rasberry friend...

Just a "why I'm still voting T&P and you should too" update...

1) NS case. There's nothing really original there. Everything except the "you didn't vote us for playstyle until someone else did first" thing someone else said. And the actual original part is a huge stretch.

... someone saying "we like a wagon not just cause we started it" is something you can find scuminess from? We're scummy for making a less-than-serious remark about a wagon, which had nothing to do with the rest of the post at all. I think this is like when the adults looked too far into the Tale of Scrotie McBoggerBalls... it was complete nonsense, and they claimed it had several things that weren't there. Only instead it's you claiming that saying we like a wagon because we started it means that we're taking credit for a scum catch...

T&P, convince me to vote NS. Because what you've posted so far about him is not convincing.

Four pages into the game, we weren't going to be particularly convincing. Seriously.

Did you miss that, or do you just think he's making stuff up? We were putting forward something we thought was off, get stuff moving, and then other stuff happened. If you see someone do something slightly odd, do you keep them as your number one suspect for the entire day? Heck no, reads change as the game goes on. More stuff has happens.

So we're scummy for changing our mind about a wagon that started four pages in?

2) T&P denouncing town reads (for link, see link above). He shoots down TF's town read on Glowball just because he thinks theory talk is null. However, glowball had talked about more than theory when TF posted his town read. So not only is T&P denouncing town reads (which is bad for reasons I've already explained if you don't get it please ask), but he's also misrepping.

You say that even if it was just theory, it'd still be bad to say that it's not town in post 184. So, let's say the guy giving theory was scum. You're saying we should let someone think that someone who could easily be scum is town for terrible reasoning? No, that's just going to end horribly!

3) Now, the case in #1 isn't really that bad since it was an early case, right? Obviously he wasn't taking the case that seriously. Well, take note how T&P has pride in the case. It looks like T&P is saying "My wagon is good; you should hop on." Not what he said here. Basically, he's now distancing from the NS wagon since it's dying down. "We weren't going to be particularly convincing," they said. Well, it certainly seems like they were trying.

Looking back, the only reason I think that we would have said that Glowball's post(s) as solely theory is that we're Canadian and so we can't read US English. (basically we stuffed up in reading.)

But we explained why we changed our mind. Because reads change in game.

4) I feel like he's using the hydra excuse to coast. "Oh, my other head isn't here so I can't really do much other than say something incredibly obvious."

I don't know about Phillip, but I am not that low that I will chose to start lurking to try and stall out time. I become inactive when I'm actually unable to post.

BK201 seems off to me, but in the morning I'll throw a bucket of cold water on Phillip and ask him if he also sees BK201 as being off.

RachMarie's post mentioned at the start of this one makes me think a null/scum read on her... LastSurvivor picking on a page 4 wagon makes me think he's silly, but probably town...

rasberryman is looking about as useful as a rasberry... like, even less content than Phillip and I...

UNVOTE:

[RachMarie]

@Thomith
I always push on inactives for a simple reason if they are scum they need to be pushed and not allowed to lurk their way to victory, if they are town they need to get in and help town. Lurking is anti town even if it is done by town players and needs to be addressed. In this case its clear we are stuck with a player who won't participate in the game unfortunately. I think there is more hope for getting more from Rasp though, and I do not want to see that get lost in the shuffle.

Since BK is not at L-1 anymore, and there is no hope of getting anywhere with Kassadin.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: BK

[Thomith]

is BK scum in your opinion? If so why.

UNVOTE:
don't want a hammer yet.

[RachMarie]

I think I made it clear when I commented earlier I do not want to see a lynch just yet either especially since I am starting to get well enough to focus on the games, plus Glow asked for us to give her til after her doc appt on Monday which I think is a reasonable request especially with so many semi lurkers and outright lurkers in the game. I feel we do not have the whole picture.

BK was my strongest initial scummy read case coming up soon.

[Thomith]

you dont want a lynch yet but you put BK at L-1?

[raspberrylicious]

I'm here, just so everybody knows. ;-;

[RachMarie]

I thought I put him at L-2? I thought he was at L-3 before I voted?

then I will
UNVOTE:

With the number of lurkers and semi lurkers in this game L-1 is too high a risk for a lynch.

[Thomith]

you put him at L-1 and then i unvoted, so now he is back to L-3.

[Thomith]

submitted too early.

rasp any scumreads? anything to add on the game?

also rach what did you mean by L-1 being too high a risk for a lynch?

[RachMarie]

We have T and P who are kinda here sometimes. I really am not sure yet what they would do. They are fairly chaotic.

We have Chrimi who is on V/LA but periodically posts. Though I am pretty sure he would check votes before voting.

We have LS who tends to be a tad lazy though I am pretty sure he would check esp since hes focused on T and P.

We have Rasp (oh just posting to let you know I am still here)

And then there is Kassadin who voted for someone last time because the person got on his nerves?

Can you see why I might be hesitant to have someone on L-1 before we are ready to lynch?

[raspberrylicious]

rasp any scumreads?

BK and NS.

[Thomith]

going to explain those scumreads rasp?

i see where you are coming from rach, but my gut is telling me you could be beeing too tentative, however i am not sure for now.
VOTE: BK
L-2.

[BK201]

rasp any scumreads?

BK and NS.

What's scummy about NS? that early game stuff?

[BK201]

Thomith basically I have seen you handle Kass's consistent VI lurking/scarce one-liners in another game drastically different. In this game though for whatever reason you decided to follow LS's logic as soon as Kass received his vote from me. Also you have been straight up wrong in our little back-to-back.

This is your final warning. You're walking a very very fine line here. On-going games do not exist. Remember this.

[Thomith]

why are you using ongoing game meta?

[BK201]

I was very vague sir. I do not imply ongoing so you should stop that. It's not like I can't read up on your past games with Kass.

[RachMarie]

@ Thomith
We have 5 days and tomorrow is Monday, when a player asks that we not lynch til after Monday, because of a serious condition, I think we can give that player the respect to do that, regardless of where we place the player in our personal scum-town reads. So yeah I am a bit tentative for a good reason. If we had hours instead of days, it would be different.

[Thomith]

pretty sure i have not been in a game with kass apart from this one and another ongoing one, also i dont see where i have been flat out wrong in our "back to back"

[BK201]

you fail to read correctly, or you plainly misremembered. go back and read it as I'm tired of it.

[Thomith]

if you are metaing me maybe you should look at town games, or would that prove you wrong too easily?

[Chrimi]

[quote="In post 262, RachMarie"][/quote]
As soon as I saw myself in that list...

You broke my heart rach D:

But anyways,

yes

I would check votes.

Also, with Rasp and Kass, having someone at L-1 can be considered a hammer since they're going to do it the first chance they get.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

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