Open 397: Pick Your Poison! Game Over!

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Day 1 Vote Count, #9

With 13 Alive it takes

7

to Lynch

BK201 - 5 - (rasberrylicious, SaintKerrigan, Chrimi, Kassadin, Thomith) (L-2)
Thomith - 2 - (glowball, BK201) (L-5)
RachMarie - 2 - (borkjerfin, Nobody Special) (L-5)
Terrance And Phillip - 1 - (Lastsurvivor) (L-6)
rasberrylicious - 1 - (TheFool) (L-6)

Not Voting: RachMarie, Terrance And Phillip

Any Errors let me know.
Deadline is in (expired on 2012-05-12 03:00:00)

Also note there is less then one week to deadline.

[Chrimi]

Bamping for next page

I love Bamping things

Anyways, BK, that using ongoing games is bugging me >.<

Waiting for rasp to explain his scumreads.

[BK201]

He assumed I'm using an ongoing game. Maybe I'm mistaken and the past game I looked up didn't also have Kass, but either way that isn't the only reason I am voting for him. Misremembering stuff is a strong tell, and keeping coaster kass around is a tell too.

[Chrimi]

Well isn't that contradictory?

"Misremembering stuff is a tell. ~ I can't remember if it was an ongoing game or not."

If misremembering is a tell, then you're awfully scummy aren't you?

[BK201]

Haha that's kind of different since it was me looking up a game I'm not in.

[Chrimi]

No, it's not different.

The game is still

ongoing

, wether or not you're in it or not.

[BK201]

I'm referencing a different game Thomith is in that is not ongoing.

[BK201]

I don't get why NS is voting Rach. It seems feigned.

[Lastsurvivor]

Spoiler: T&P quote #1

... someone saying "we like a wagon not just cause we started it" is something you can find scuminess from? We're scummy for making a less-than-serious remark about a wagon, which had nothing to do with the rest of the post at all. I think this is like when the adults looked too far into the Tale of Scrotie McBoggerBalls... it was complete nonsense, and they claimed it had several things that weren't there. Only instead it's you claiming that saying we like a wagon because we started it means that we're taking credit for a scum catch...

You're kind of missing the point here. This is supposed to tie into point three where

Wait a minute you didn't even reply to the actual point. This is saying that your case isn't original yet you're basically acting like it is (correct me if I'm wrong). The one original point is something that isn't entirely accurate.

You can go off and say "Hey! It was early game man!" all you want. But you should still be expected to make a reasonable case in the early game.

Spoiler: T&P quote #2

Did you miss that, or do you just think he's making stuff up? We were putting forward something we thought was off, get stuff moving, and then other stuff happened. If you see someone do something slightly odd, do you keep them as your number one suspect for the entire day? Heck no, reads change as the game goes on. More stuff has happens.

So we're scummy for changing our mind about a wagon that started four pages in?

Yes, I saw that, that's my entire point 3. As soon as I called you out on your crappy case, you just sheeped away from it. You acted like it was totally unreasonable for me to ask you to justify your case even though it was the case that

you

started! That's ridiculous.

Spoiler: T&P quote 3

You say that even if it was just theory, it'd still be bad to say that it's not town in post 184. So, let's say the guy giving theory was scum. You're saying we should let someone think that someone who could easily be scum is town for terrible reasoning? No, that's just going to end horribly!

....Um, yes, that would be bad. You clearly had no idea she was scum though since you said that theory discussion was null. Even if you did, that still doesn't make denouncing town reads not scummy.

Spoiler: T&P quote 4

Looking back, the only reason I think that we would have said that Glowball's post(s) as solely theory is that we're Canadian and so we can't read US English. (basically we stuffed up in reading.)

Mmm, if you say so. I hear scum's prone to misreading when they're being scummy so eh...not sure if it's a good enough excuse.

Spoiler: T&P quote 5

But we explained why we changed our mind. Because reads change in game.

Not really sure what this is referring to...are you referring to point 3? If so...where did you explain why you changed your vote?

About #4: Fair enough. I'll take your word for it.

[RachMarie]

@BK
You would have to ask him that we do not talk at all about this game since we are both in it. And it is ongoing. I am sure once the game is over he will have plenty to say about how I played.

[raspberrylicious]

NS - His early game actions.
BK - Piling suspicion on him seems to have made him nervous. Which is scummy~

[Kassadin]

kill

[RachMarie]

NS - His early game actions.
BK - Piling suspicion on him seems to have made him nervous. Which is scummy~

kill

Could you two please TRY at least to play? /end of rant/

[RachMarie]

@LS
You make a fairly solid case here, I will ISO him again and take a closer look at him.

@Bork
Do you have anything else about the rest of the town by now? Any other potential scum suspects?

@BK
Do you have anything else besides your back and forth with Thomith like maybe do some scum hunting?

@SK
Now that the game has gone on a bit longer and more posting has happened what do you think of the back and forth tween Thomith and BK, about the lurking and semi lurking? About LS's case on T and P?

[Kassadin]

this is how i play yo

[BK201]

UNVOTE: I'll explain later.

[Lastsurvivor]

Kass what's your favorite part about mafia?

[borkjerfkin]

Been doing home improvement all day and what little mafia time I had I didn't spend here -- let me get caught up. I'll have some content by late tonight or tomorrow morning.

I'll probably be focusing on LS vs T&P, and why I find Rach scummy.

[Kassadin]

?. playing

[TheFool]

Guys, I really don't think BK is a good lynch. Does a scum under fire really get this proactive about scumhunting, including meta research and all?

Don't really understand what's going on with the developing Rasp wagon. Yes, Rasp is coasting but what they've posted isn't really scummy.

Throws her vote on the BK wagon haphazardly, claims it's because 'suspicion made him nervous', which I don't really see.
Also, read her ISO and try to work out why she suspects NS. It seems like it's because he's 'posting short spurts and phrases that don't add much'.

Now put that in the context of this game. :P

So yeah, I like that vote. I could go with T&P as well, LS's case is good.

We could use more content from something like half the game.

PEDIT: ^ A+ post

[RachMarie]

Rasp commenting on how NS doesn't post much in his posts is a rather pot and kettle situation I mean one post Rasp did was eh...

(*Rasp is male BTW just FYI)

Though I would like to see more postings from a number of people in this game, but it maybe a case of want in one hand and well you know in the other unfortunately.

[TheFool]

Though I would like to see more postings from a number of people in this game, but it maybe a case of want in one hand and well you know in the other unfortunately.

Which to some degree is another reason why BK is a bad lynch.

[borkjerfkin]

I think T&P DID do a slight misrep. That is definitely a legitimate point. T&P can try to justify that with an alleged mistake but that doesn't change that it happened. If you believe them, this has no useful info.

That being said, holy shit is LS reaching on every other part of his case, but I don't think EITHER of them are scum. LS is misunderstanding (not deliberately imo) the tone that T&P was taking when they said "not just because we started it" and that's kind of the cornerstone of his case. Without that it kind of falls apart. T&P are struggling to figure out why such a misunderstanding is happening, and I think they have come to the came conclusion about LS that I have. I don't see anything alarming here.

My problem with Rach is that she telegraphs every single thing she does, in sort of a "look at me! I'm doing what townies do!" sort of way. No townie should feel the need to do this. If anything is going to change my mind here, it's meta, and I simply haven't had time to look into that yet.

@TF: getting town vibes on you but I'd like some elaboration on 296 please.

I'll focus on the latter part of Thomith vs BK (previously I was leaning town on Thomith and whatthefuck on BK)

The scum might actually be hiding here (At least one of Rasp, kass, ns are very likely) just due to the number of townreads I'm getting.

[TheFool]

@TF: getting town vibes on you but I'd like some elaboration on 296 please.

Sure! When a third of the town is lurking, lynching an active player will lead to even less activity. Then we end up with a lurker-filled endgame and life sucks.

[RachMarie]

So basically your case on me Bork is based on my playstyle which is I play methodically and logically and I let people know where I stand and if it changes based on more game posts I let them know that too?