Mafia 52: Back to the Basics - Abandoned!

[B Rob]

confirm

[B Rob]

duh... *drools* It's Fritzler's fault.

[B Rob]

I don't believe the day has started. Don't large games start at night?

[B Rob]

Six already?

[B Rob]

random

Vote: The Ace

[B Rob]

Unvote.

Herd mentality

Vote: Primate .

[B Rob]

OK, so we've got a big Primate wagon and not a lot of reason for it. Meh,

Unvote

. I'd like to see some more serious development, please.

[B Rob]

Oh, come on.cyou all can't be serious, unless you don't care about who you lynch. I haven't done anything unusual, unless you consider the entire Primate wagon as unusual. I don't believe this is going anywhere good, so I unvoted.

[B Rob]

Oh, come on.cyou all can't be serious, unless you don't care about who you lynch. I haven't done anything unusual, unless you consider the entire Primate wagon as unusual. I don't believe this is going anywhere good, so I unvoted.

Question is, why did you even join in the first place? And what prompted the quck change of heart that invalidated your earlier reason?

I didn't have a reason for voting. Did anybody? You should be asking yourself if I had a reason for

staying

.

Oh, come on.cyou all can't be serious, unless you don't care about who you lynch.

If you do care about who you lynch, why did you join the wagon so quickly when it was moving at such an absurd speed?

To see what would happen, I suppose. Looks like it was a good decision, since people are now accusing me with very little basis.

I haven't done anything unusual, unless you consider the entire Primate wagon as unusual.

...and you don't think the wagon was unusual?

I don't know. I know the wagon had no real reason behind it, other then opprotunism, I suppose.

[B Rob]

I'm curious: who else is going to vote hop onto me?

[B Rob]

Heh...ok, the scum aren't willing to claim by all going for a day 1 speedlynch, huh? Darn.

unvote:Primate

:extremelysuspectposting:

(shrug) Well, that is why I left my vote there as long as I did; I wanted to see just how far the bandwagon would go.

I certainly shouldn't let this go.

Vote: Yosarian 2

[B Rob]

First of all I was the one to really start the wagon against Primate, andI was the one to really present all the evidence.

Huh? Can you explain how you were the one to stat it when you didn't participate at all before the day actually began, and you didn't jump onto the Primate wagon until late.

[B Rob]

Being the third vote on a clearly-bogus bandwagon is a minus point for Stevie. Not a plus point.



Silly scumbag. Trix are for Townies!

I agree.

Unvote Vote: Stevie

[B Rob]

Heh...ok, the scum aren't willing to claim by all going for a day 1 speedlynch, huh? Darn.

unvote:Primate

:extremelysuspectposting:

(shrug) Well, that is why I left my vote there as long as I did; I wanted to see just how far the bandwagon would go.

I certainly shouldn't let this go.

Vote: Yosarian 2

are you high?

sometimes i make posts while im high, and its really hard to explain them later

Let me get this straight: I leave the Primate wagon because it's BAD FOR THE TOWN and I'm scum. Yosarian leaves the wagon (I'll leave him to explain himself, which I think he did), and it's all good.

Just to make this abundantly clear, let's read my unvoting post again:

OK, so we've got a big Primate wagon and not a lot of reason for it. Meh,

Unvote

. I'd like to see some more serious development, please.

Heh... This is the marijuana laced post, I think. Let's be honest here, there was no good reason for the Primate wagon, so I left it.

I'm not sure, but I think people found this scummy because I was voted in an earlier post. It was one vote. One. As hard as it is to believe, I'm not stupid; I did not unvote Primate because I was voted. I'd like to point out that Axelrod singled me out of everybody for "not making sense" when the entire Primate wagon made zero sense to begin with.

[B Rob]

The main reason people suspect you, B Rob, is not because of when you left the Primate wagon, it's because of when you joined the Primate wagon.

I'm not the only one who voted Primate. I am one of the few who actually admitied to blatant bandwagoning, though.

And then he left right after garnering suspicion w/ very crappy reasons.

Primate was at six or seven, and I didn't think Primate was scummy at all. There, is that clear enough for you?

What are you talking about? You were

on

the Primate wagon. You joined it as a blatant bandwaggoner. And I didn't single you out for "not making sense." All I did was point out that the wagon went extremely fast. And you seemed to be aware of this even as you placed the vote.

You didn't unvote until after several people criticized you. But you appear to be claiming that you didn't unvote because you were criticized. You unvoted strictly because your vote made no sense to begin with. Is that right?

On second thought, I think I got you confused with someone else. You voted me for being a self acknowledged bandwagoner. That's not a very good reason, considering the number of reasonless votes on Primate. I actually stated my reason, and many did not.

[B Rob]

I never wanted to lynch him, I wanted to put pressure on him.

If you're not threatening lynch, then it isn't really pressure. Why would you want to pressure someone just because of playskill anyway?

[B Rob]

Because of my opinion stated above which shows how ludicrous this statement by axelrod was:

Pressure voting in this game doesn't even make sense.

I will now

UNVOTE; VOTE: Axelrod

are you high?

What problem do you have with an Axelrod vote?

Vote B Rob

I think his playing this game has been a bit too shaky to let go easily. He has commited at least one major change in behaviour, and since then, he has been defending both his earlier and later points of view, despite them being totally irreconcilable in goal and thinking. Also, your vote hopping seems distinctly not cool. You're voting Stevie for doing the effectively exact same thing you did, problem is, you were the sixth reasonless vote, whilst he was only the third (and was apparently not reasonless).

I concede that I made silly, silly mistakes. If you want to press it, it's up to you. I do find it strange that you waited so long to attack me.

[B Rob]

Mostly because he isn't making sense. This list is very strange:

Scum List:

1. B Rob
2. Primate
3. Yosarian2

unvote, vote: B Rob

...at least two names don't belong there. I dont' find Primate or Yos to be scummy, at least not yet. When he is asked about it, his answer is even worse:

First of all I was the one to really start the wagon against Primate, andI was the one to really present all the evidence.

FOS: Glork

for suggesting I was just 'following the leader' when I was the one leading the charge.

I don't see this at all. Stevie hasn't posted much against anyone, let alone "presenting all the evidence" against Primate.

His continued defence:

First of all I was the one to really start the wagon against Primate, andI was the one to really present all the evidence.

Huh? Can you explain how you were the one to stat it when you didn't participate at all before the day actually began, and you didn't jump onto the Primate wagon until late.

I was the 3rd actual vote. It's not a bandwagon if 2 people are voting. Therefore i started the bandwagon.

I can't quite put it into words, but this just isn't making sense, especially when you combine it with his other posts.

Most recently, he said he put Yos on his scum list just to put pressure on him, but he doesn't want to lynch him. That just doesn't fit together.

[B Rob]

Also, he's been very cautious in his defense and not taking any strong stances in his attacks. He hasn't contributed much, IMO.

[B Rob]

By the way, who's got street cred here, just so we know? I'm thinking Fritzler, Glort, Primate, and Yosarian but I don't know who else.

[B Rob]

B Rob isn't looking any better asking that question though.

Agreed wholeheartedly.

Is this a taboo subject for some reason? The answer reveals information, pure and simple. I've haven't played with anyone here. Ever. And I haven't read enough games to have a lot of information on playstyles.

Players that are described as having street cred should have more experience and be better players. When a player describes who they think think has more experience and are better at mafia, they are implying that those players can be trusted.

I find any atempt to close discussion on a topic as scummy. This game is ultimately a game of decisions. We need information to make good decisions, and we get information through discussion.

Axelrod and Glork have been the most vocal about disliking my question, yet neither of them is willing to explain what they don't like aobut it. Mariata continues to support my lynch but doesn't reveal any other information. I find all three of them scummy for trying to put a lid on discussion without explaining their reasons.

On the other hand, that's been their style through the game so far, so I won't vote on this just yet.

[B Rob]

Maybe I should clarify: I'm asking who is considered good/experienced in this game. That would help me make better decisions because I would look at a more experienced player's playstyle before I accuse them. Plus, knowing who thinks what about particular players could be useful information later on.

There are several people I would say have "street cred", but it doesn't mean I'd trust them. IMO, having street cred means a) you're better at figuring out who the scum is, and b) you're better at lying when you are scum.

I would agree completely. Therefore, we must examine more experienced players more closely. That's why I asked the question.

[B Rob]

Still willing to change vote over to B-Rob. It's especally bad the way he's now lurking with a big bandwagon on him.

Still not going to take my vote of Rebby until he comes back, though. Especally as he's just been prodded.

What am I supposed to do, Yos? I've explained my actions as best as I am able. If anybody wants to lynch me over what happened, they can. I don't think I can save myself.

Nobody is paying any attention to the players I find the summiest. bluemonick has posted very little in terms of actual content, IMO. And Stevie has made very poor arguments. I don't think either player has received nearly enough pressure.

[B Rob]

Why are you lynching me, Fritz?

[B Rob]

cuz im the real lord of the sith

taught by darth chicken

and im good

duh

I rotisereed Darth Chicken a long time ago.

[B Rob]

So, yeah, do you have a real reason for voting me?

[B Rob]

Im gonna ask for a replacement in this game, so someone else will be more active. This is my last post from me here.

Well, that's unfortunate

[B Rob]

Im gonna ask for a replacement in this game, so someone else will be more active. This is my last post from me here.

Well, that's unfortunate

Why is that unfortunate? Do you think bluemonick's replacement is less likely to destract attention away from you? Or are you sad your scumbuddy is leaving?

Because, no offense to bluemonick intended, but if he's in too many games at the moment to be able to post much real content in this one (or in any of them, from what I've seen), it probably helps the town if we get a more active replacement to take over his role.

However, it would quite possibly hurt you personally, if he gets replaced by someone who can defend himself better then bluemonick can, as bluemonick is the second biggest bandwagon after you at the moment I believe.

#1, I think it's unfortunate when anyone who actually plays some in a game is replaced. That's a player who has to get into the game, so they won't be posting for a while. That's content that we've basically lost. Plus, replacements have advantages, IMO, and I still read bluemonick's lack of content as a scum indicator.

#2, most of the arguments posed against me have been "Why did you blah? Because blah blah blah?" I don't buy these long extrapolations. I've been repeatedly accused of setting up plays that I don't have the skill or balls for. I try to point out scummy behavior, or shove my foot in my mouth, but that's it.

#3, what exactly are you trying to say in this bolded part? I'm not being very aggressive towards bluemonick. I don't have to depend on his wagon. I might be wrong, but I honestly don't think there are enough people who think I'm scummy enough to lynch me.

What am I supposed to do, Yos? I've explained my actions as best as I am able. If anybody wants to lynch me over what happened, they can. I don't think I can save myself.

Nobody is paying any attention to the players I find the summiest. bluemonick has posted very little in terms of actual content, IMO. And Stevie has made very poor arguments. I don't think either player has received nearly enough pressure.

Nice segue from self-pity and resignation to a double deflection there B Rob.

Yup. I'm that transparent.

But I do think those two are scummy enough to warrant votes. Well, bluemonick is being replaced, so Stevie's my top suspect now. He rarely defends himself, if that means anything to anybody. He's supporting Axelrod now, and I'm not buying his reasons for that.

[B Rob]

but in reality, I think it's just a minor thing.

I just want to point this out so B Rob can't mislead everyone here.


In fact,

unvote, vote: B Rob

since Blue is being replaced.

I see calling it "a minor thing" as supporting Axelrod. I don't know how it could possibly be read as anything else.

[B Rob]

Is it normal to have over 24 hours of non-activity in a game this size?

[B Rob]

I'm not sure about MMOD. That was a big slip, certainly, but I wouldn't vote him just for that.

[B Rob]

Unvote

until I get a chance to reread. I took a little break from mafia for a while, and I think I'll be able to contribute something worthwhile.

I have been following the game and I don't like how the Ace is still getting away with non-contributing. There is no point to calling someone out and letting them get away with slinking back in, if you get my meaning.

[B Rob]

Unvote

until I get a chance to reread. I took a little break from mafia for a while, and I think I'll be able to contribute something worthwhile.

I have been following the game and I don't like how the Ace is still getting away with non-contributing. There is no point to calling someone out and letting them get away with slinking back in, if you get my meaning.

[B Rob]

B Rob. You stayed away from mafia from a while, and yet you've been following this game?

There's a difference between following the game and participating.

[B Rob]

After rereading, I can't account for my Primate wagon related behavior at all. The best I can say is that this was a result of bad thinking combined with no clue about who was scum.

I think we learned something here, though. I think the people that went after me the most are more likely town because nobody distorted what I said. Those that didn't participate are more likely to be scum because it was so easy to attack me at the time that they didn't have to.

Heh...well, thanks, I guess, but even if that were true it still wouldn't make me any more likely to be scum then anyone else.

It makes you more likely to get away with being scum, though.

This post spawned all the "street cred" business. I still think that players that are considered experienced will probably get away with more than greener players. I stand behind that opinion.

Stevie -- and so have you.

This is really scummy. Stevie was never in danger of being lynched, and nobody said a whole lot to him. This opinion doesn't make sense.

Mystery Meat of Doom, you got some splainin' to doooooo.

UNVOTE; VOTE: Mystery Meat of Doom

I see vote hopping, especially when you combine it with the other post.

Also, I think it is fairly obvious what is going on with this vote. Come on, that comment wasn't scummy. You don't think there should be pressure brought to bear for that comment? He must be forced, with the real threat of lynch, into answering for that comment. It is the scummiest thing so far in this game, it is the best lead we have had thus far.

Romanus is

reaching with all his might

. I disagree completely.

I jumped off of Stevie before and got back on, will do it again if I feel it justified.

And OH MY WORD, THE THIRD VOTE, only 7 more votes and he gets lynched. I must be trying to get a quicklynch. Come on. This game needs some action, and this is it.

We agree on one thing. He did make a mistake, but that does not make him innocent.

At the same time, you think MMOD did the summiest thing in the game, and you think that what he did was a mistake. Furthermore, you dodge the actual arguments against you.

Ok, Romanus, here's a question for you.

Why did you go from this:

Calling the subject he brought up a red herring is hardly defending him. I am doing the same thing other are, calling him on even bringing it up, because it is a red herring. The debate on that subject is useless, debate about B rob bringing it up is not useless.

If I could figure out the

VOTE COUNT

I might even put a vote on B rob.

Turning the town to debating a useless and confusing topic is a great way to get people voting for things other than the fact they believe someone is scum.

I hope that helps Yosarian2

to this

B rob, those are very good points, I don't like bluemonick either. So,

UNVOTE; VOTE: Bluemonick

?

I thought you were defending B Rob, and then you quickly clarified your statement, said you didn't trust B Rob, and said you might actually vote him once you saw a vote count. However, you never did vote for him, never even mentioned him again, and in fact actually followed him in voting bluemonick only 5 days later.

I'm starting to suspect that b rob and romanus might be scum partners; when i accused romanus of defending b rob, he suddenly turned around and attacked him, in kind of a half-harted way, but it was a short one-shot thing he never went back to or followed up with a vote. Between the two of them, I think romanus is the more suspicious at the moment, so I'm going to

unvote

vote:romanus

I don't like this at all. This is an attack on the most immediately vulnerable player and an attempt to tie a long-term vulnerable player to him. The more I think about it the less I like it.

EBWODP

I looked at my PM, looked at Primate's joking cop claim in the pre-day one confusion, and almost fell for it, completely forgetting the theme of this game for a minute.

If Yos is scum, Stevie is.

Quality ties are harder to see then this, IMO.

B Rob, Stevie, Romanus. Take your pick, folks.

This list is wrong. So was my initial assessment of Stevie.

Unvote, Vote: B Rob

Wrong.

unvote, vote: B Rob

Wrong.

unvote, vote: brom fos mmod

*

unvote, vote: BROB

You must be joking.

Vote: BRob

Unvote Vote: The Ace

Hyperbole like "why is this scum still alive" aside, why did anybody even bother voting him if he can continue to get away with crap like this?

W/eva.

unvote Vote B rob

cya in a week guys.

You must be joking.

unvote, vote b rob

Deadlines approaching, lets just use the best lead we have for now

FOS lordy

Hella scummy in his position, IMO.

[B Rob]

Yes, I jumped on the lordy wagon cause I thought, at the time, he'd be a better lynch, but B Rob disappeared during the heat on him, and now he's back and seems to have no problem speaking his mind. It's complete lurker scum. Don't let yourself be blindsided.... or maybe he's your partner.... hmmm......

Vote hoping.

[B Rob]

It just seems convinient that two of your top suspects are linked in your mind. I am, of course, going to deny that such a link exists.

Also, do you really want to set this up? If Romanus is scum and he's lynched first, what do you expect will happen?

[B Rob]

Where is everybody?

[B Rob]

I think it's suspicious because I think Romanus is scum and I don't want to be set up if he is.

[B Rob]

I agree. We've wasted a day.

Mod

: maybe we could get future inactive players replaced instead?

I'm going with

vote: B Rob

as a service to the late Yos2.

I'm thinking that Yos was killed because of his skillz.

Glork, what is this defense of B Rob?

A little weird.

Yeah, this is strange. Not that I'm unhappy with it, of course, I just think people should be expected to defend themselves.

[B Rob]

Vote: spectrumvoid

Either:
a) You're voting me just because Yos suspected me, so I must be scum; or
b) You're voting me because Yos suspected me and he was the nightkill.

Neither case is good.

[B Rob]

upon reviewing my evidence i would like to

unvote, vote: mariyta

Wrong.

[B Rob]

HAY FRITZ, MARIYTA IS THE PLAY... NOT B ROB!

Also wrong.

Seriously, why are people suspecting her?

[B Rob]

I don't get why people suspect her either, anyone care to explain? My vote on B Rob was there because of the suspicions yesterday too, not just because of what Yos said. i've said this before: if B Rob presents an adequate defence to yesterday's accusations, I will of course unvote.

Although that might be the case, that's not your stated reason for today's vote. It seems like you are valuing Yos's judgement over your own. Townies think for themselves.

I still maintian that the pushing of a B Rob lynch at this point is a very bad idea. The way he was wagoned yetserday, it's OBVIOUS that the scum were going for an easy lynch/wagon against him. I've pointed this out. Now that I see Mari still pushing a BRob lynch (and justifying it pretty shittily), I find her suspicious... naturally.

Okay, so why are you singling out Mariyta over everyone else?

[B Rob]

You know Fritzler's gonna say something now.

[B Rob]

Axelrod is pushing for my lynch much,

much

harder.

[B Rob]

To prevent distortion and confusion, let's look at his most recent post:

I'm voting Lordy because that's where I was yesterday and nothing has happened to change my opinion. Including him not posting. But part of me says B Rob ought to be lynched because he was the lynch presumptive before Coron was mod-killed. Lynching B Rob puts us back where we should have been.

But I'm not voting him because he's at least posting.

He suggests that I should be lynched "... because

was the lynch presumptive before Coron was mod-killed." I think he would be voting for me if he wasn't voting Lordy before Coron was killed. That, and he was very bloodthirsty towards me yesterday. I'm not saying this is scummy, I'm just saying that he's pushing harder then Mariyta.

I would say I am pushing for your lynch harder.

TRUTH.

[B Rob]

Hmmm... I guess we agree with the substance of what Axelrod posted, we just interpret it somewhat differently.

[B Rob]

Are Glork and mariyta related in RL? B Rob how about trying to defend yourself? Then I'll think about unvoting.

What do you want me to defend against? I've posted all I can on... um... what I posted on.

[B Rob]

You know Fritzler's gonna say something now.

...

xuxd you'fd xuposed to say osmething

darth chicken > darth maul

turning hte orders brightest lide into a sith = baller

me = confused

[B Rob]

B Rob how about trying to defend yourself? Then I'll think about unvoting.

My reasons:

1) lurking. he claimed he followed the game, but didn't participate. Also he was under some heat.

2) wagoned on primate. he knew he was bandwagoning. and his quick departure of the bandwagon.

3) also refer to primate's post 172. Glork's post 193 about street cred.

4) my old post: only concede you made silly mistakes after someone pointed them out. If no one picked it up... would you have used what you said earlier to continue to confuse us?

5) Even if I disregard the lurking, B Rob himself has admitted that his actions with regards to primate were weird.

6) What I said wrt Yos2.

I went back to do a reread. I'm currently also looking at Romanus and lordy.

I have already addressed 1, 2, and 3. If you want to lynch me over those issues, there really isn't much more I can do about it. 4 is WIFOM. 5 is just a rehashing of what you already said. I have already pointed out how 6 is BS.

I have to defend myself to satisfy you, but there isn't much more I can say that hasn't already been said.

[B Rob]

You know Fritzler's gonna say something now.

...

xuxd you'fd xuposed to say osmething

darth chicken > darth maul

turning hte orders brightest lide into a sith = baller

NVM, I get it now. Dark Chicken's mistake was keeping him around.

Unvote, Vote: StevieT

Why didn't he die D1 again?

I'm not so clear on this, though. Could you enlighten us?

[B Rob]

D'oh. DARTH Chicken.

Anyway, we have entirely too many inactive players. I'm starting to agree with MBL.

[B Rob]

Allright, I can see that.

Unvote Vote: StevieT92

I could feel a Stevie lynch. I was on that wagon before, I wasn't satisfied then, and I still ain't.

I'm not sure, but these seems off for some reason. Methinks I'm due for a reread...