Mini 1327: Murder in the Louvre- Day 6

[kanyeknowsbest]

Who is your top scumread?

if i had one i would be pushing it. i think yos is town. i think you are town. literally every other person in this game i am waffling hard as fuck on. i need to reread around the un wagon and pick my favorite candidate from there. i thought it was going to be hiraki coming in but ive lost interest in that.

also katsuki not reading a game is 100% a null tell unfort. doesnt mean hes not scum here though (he might be.)

[Vi]

Ok now I have to figure out if you would tell me you white knight if you were scum

and i'm tired of your shit this game

terrible WIFOM Vi

Ditto @bolded.

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Hey kanye, it sounds like you need some help.

furc: yesterday i came to the conclusion that

[Elmo]

was town (bad vi town being exploited by scum.)

These scum being...

For reference:

Elmo TeH AzN (4): Nuwen, kanyeknowsbest, Yosarian2, Furcolow,

Ohhh haaaay the mod just said the n-word

[shos]

okay, is there anyone who doesn't think my case on Hiraki works?

prod nuwen?

[Nuwen]

prodded. birthday shenanigans and I'm working 7-7 today.

Wagon on me seems to be primarily comprised of people calling me scum with Hiraki, Vi excepted, who suddenly want to lynch me over Hiraki. Can't tell if it's scum shifting with the vibe of wagon tide. It certainly isn't good scumhunting.

Furclow continues to toss his vote to the left to the left to the right, Katsuki is perma afk, and the premise of Zar's wagon cross-reference seems off to me. I understand that he's working on the assumption that scum wagon town (and are sometimes rapid supporters of mislynches), but you have to think about the circumstance of the wagoned players to really be able to use VCA in a worthwhile way.

Consider: Elmo was scummy enough to be shot by a prob-vig who was also on the Uberninja wagon. If you take it for granted that Yos is town, how many other town people could have shared his opinion that BOTH were likely to be scum? When a town player behaves in a decidedly anti-town manner, it's not always necessary for scum to join the wagon at all. Zar's vote agrees that Uberninja was anti-town; from a townZar perspective it shouldn't seem that unlikely that other town thought Uberninja was scum too.

Not much else to say. I'd LIKE to pick apart the flavor of this game, but I get the feeling that no one would be particularly interested. Evidently being invested in flavor clues is a scum tell, despite the mod clearly stating that flavor plays a bigger-than-normal role in this game. zzz

[shos]

I would be interested in your thoughts about teh flavor.
also about Hiraki.

do you guys remember when someone mentioned how having many few-vote-wagons is against us..?

[Vi]

Not much else to say.

vote

I'd LIKE to pick apart the flavor of this game, but I get the feeling that no one would be particularly interested. Evidently being invested in flavor clues is a scum tell, despite the mod clearly stating that flavor plays a bigger-than-normal role in this game. zzz

this is not an appropriate response to the accusation

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okay, is there anyone who doesn't think my case on Hiraki works?

we've had this discussion before, I thought

do you guys remember when someone mentioned how having many few-vote-wagons is against us..?

I can only do so much with what I have to work with.

@mod: Please shorten the deadline by one week

[shos]

I agree with Vi.

also, I think I've said this befoer already - you are probably the only one who I know already what he thinks, so that's aimed at everybody else..

[Zar]

Done with Elections. But, still need to go over Hiraki and Charter >.< I'll read them over and come with comments in a bit.

[springlullaby]

@mod: Please shorten the deadline by one week

The deadline won't be shortened since it has already been set, however I will consider shortening the deadline of the next day phase (if applicable) to two weeks.

[Katsuki]

Dug through a few isos, and stumbled upon something interesting.

Shos, were you just bulletproof last night? Or are you perma-bulletproof?

[charter]

Those that haven't nameclaimed should nameclaim.

[shos]

Dug through a few isos, and stumbled upon something interesting.

Shos, were you just bulletproof last night? Or are you perma-bulletproof?

why on earth would there be any reason for town to ask or answer that question???

Imo, the fact that scum doesn't know the answer to that will make them not target me because it's a risk for them, so *I* specifically have an incentive not to answer that question.

Those that haven't nameclaimed should nameclaim.

+1 to that.

Katsuki, that includes you. I don't remember who else it includes.

[Parama]

who's nameclaimed thus far and what have they claimed?

[Katsuki]

Dug through a few isos, and stumbled upon something interesting.

Shos, were you just bulletproof last night? Or are you perma-bulletproof?

why on earth would there be any reason for town to ask or answer that question???

Imo, the fact that scum doesn't know the answer to that will make them not target me because it's a risk for them, so *I* specifically have an incentive not to answer that question.

Those that haven't nameclaimed should nameclaim.

+1 to that.

Katsuki, that includes you. I don't remember who else it includes.

You are answering this. I will not relent on this matter.

Unvote, Vote: Shos

[charter]

So Katsuki is officially the third scum.

[Parama]

This game is like a giant pile of bad things that nobody wants

[Zar]

Hey charter: going over your ISO, I noticed you had been finding Kanye's behavior scummy for quite a long while. Why did you never vote him?

[Zar]

Charter:

Spoiler: Votes:

#5 Kanye
#27 Quilford
#52 Vi
#336 Chiaro
#593 Nuwen
#757 Pirate
#763 Yosarian
#965 Hiraki
#1122 Hiraki

Spoiler: Read

So Charter:

Here are some things that strike me as suspicious from re-reading him.

#381-#389: Asks Yosarian about his Kanye-town read, calls it stretching. Establishes that the push on quilford looks insincere and illogical. Claims that all Kanye has done is call quilford scum. Why didn't Charter vote Kanye if he suspected him this much?
#593: placeholder on Kanye/Yosarian.
#770: dismissing Furcolow's Vi vote.
#864: Keeps declaring suspicion on Kanye, but never puts in a vote on him.

Another suspicious thing.

Before being replaced, Chiaro made a comment on my case on him, but did not comment anything in regards to the reasons charter was voting him, other than utter a "Not Sure" (in reference to his alignment). I think this would only matter in case Hiraki happened to flip guilty.

CONCLUSION: While he's been heavily pressing on the Chiaro slot + Nuwen, charter had been calling out Kanye as suspicious all day but never showed interest in pursuing this any further. Weak Scumread.

[shos]

Dug through a few isos, and stumbled upon something interesting.

Shos, were you just bulletproof last night? Or are you perma-bulletproof?

why on earth would there be any reason for town to ask or answer that question???

Imo, the fact that scum doesn't know the answer to that will make them not target me because it's a risk for them, so *I* specifically have an incentive not to answer that question.

Those that haven't nameclaimed should nameclaim.

+1 to that.

Katsuki, that includes you. I don't remember who else it includes.

You are answering this. I will not relent on this matter.

Unvote, Vote: Shos

if you give me one town reason to let everyoe know what and which PRs town have, I'll answer. otherwise, you're just being stupid.
i can be a 1-shot, 2-shot, 3-shot, or perma BP; knowing this info can only be valuable to scum.

[Katsuki]

I think you're reaction is more likely town, but I'm curious as to why you felt it was necessary to claim the BP after the missing kill? If anything, it was an opportunistic move to try and confirm yourself as town. What motivation does town have for claiming BP in that situation?

Unvote

hmm

Vote: furc

[kanyeknowsbest]

CONCLUSION: While he's been heavily pressing on the Chiaro slot + Nuwen, charter had been calling out Kanye as suspicious all day but never showed interest in pursuing this any further. Weak Scumread.

does it make him more or less likely scum if i am town?

[Hiraki]

dunno about kats but diddin was scum and stayed scum so ehh

still want hiraki dead

Diddin has been playing horribly as of late though

[shos]

I think you're reaction is more likely town, but I'm curious as to why you felt it was necessary to claim the BP after the missing kill? If anything, it was an opportunistic move to try and confirm yourself as town. What motivation does town have for claiming BP in that situation?

Unvote

hmm

Vote: furc

are you kidding me? read the freakin thread or replace out man, seriously.
After Yos said that it was the vig kill, I exposed the whole message-to-Hiraki-case, have you not seen that? to me it's 90% confscum at Hiraki.

why the vote on Furc?

[Katsuki]

Eh point it out for me please.

I'll admit that I missed a huge chunk of this game that's probably never gonna get read.

[Vi]

Unvote, Vote:

[someone who isn't Nuwen]

Unvote

hmm

Vote:

[someone who isn't Nuwen]

Etc.