Mini 1337 - Elite Mafia (Game Over)

[Arugula]

You already explained SensFan and Tech, but why me?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

There is no alliance bullshit. There are some people who have some pro-town reads on each other, thats it. So calm the hell down.

I'd lynch Sensfan, Tech or Arugula at this point.

I am calm. That's what's funny. I just see alliance and I cringe a bit

[Seacore]

What you see is other people trying to make it look like there's an alliance.

Arugula, I've also explained you. You have just been parroting and/or defending players so far. That's enough for me to want you as a lynch candidate.

[TeChNoWC]

My case on Sens is the way that he's avoided taking stances. He tried to fling mud on me by calling what I did 'significant' and then saying it doesn't help with a read on me. In the absence of any town behaviour whatsoever, this is worth a vote.

I don't see what Sens did as a lynchable offense. He's lurkerish and his reasoning on you was stupid, but that doesn't necessarily make him scum. Personally I would like to hear more input from him before deadline, if at all possible.

Sensfan, what are your scumreads?

Seacore, what do you think of rofl and his vote on me? It looked pretty scummy to me.

[roflcopter]

top scum reads - techno and thomith

[Seacore]

I don't really care who's voting for you right now, since I think you're probably scum. I'm not the kind of person that jumps off wagons because I don't like who else is voting.

[TeChNoWC]

I don't really care who's voting for you right now, since I think you're probably scum. I'm not the kind of person that jumps off wagons because I don't like who else is voting.

You never actually stated why you think I am scum. I answered all your questions and concerns and yet you couldn't and didn't provide any sound reasoning as to why I am scum.

And your logic is bad. Your pigeon holing, just like Humble was. Your assuming I am scum, when there is every possibility I am town, and thus you are willing to overlook the activities of others whenever you have a suspicion someone is scum. Scum will have a field day with you later, and now, whenever you find someone scummy that is actually town, they will jump at the chance to mislynch, because you'll give them a free ticket.

Tell me how attacking your towntells makes me scum when that doesn't mean they are my towntellls; the strong towntell players aren't likely to be targeted by scum. What scum would risk drawing that sort of attention to themselves when they could simply play off your tells and bandwagon to mislynch?

Ever wondered why there are so many players lurking and going under the radar at the moment? Because the powerbase in this game isn't after lurkers, and isn't interested enough in the reasoning behind people's votes. I'd say there are one or two lurkerscum out there that are happy to coast, because so far it's working for them. And you're protecting them. The only one who seems to be in the firing line is Sensfan.

[Thomith]

top 2 scumreads:
roflcopter - for what i thought was a slip but was told by a few players i was wrong, however i still find it iffy
tech - some of the things he says just seems waaay off, and i don't like the way he dismisses some things he gets questions about as "sarcasm"

@seacore, but i dont like that logic, if you have a lot of iffy people on a wagon doesn't it make you think you could be making a wrong move?

[TeChNoWC]

top 2 scumreads:
roflcopter - for what i thought was a slip but was told by a few players i was wrong, however i still find it iffy
tech - some of the things he says just seems waaay off, and i don't like the way he dismisses some things he gets questions about as "sarcasm"

@seacore, but i dont like that logic, if you have a lot of iffy people on a wagon doesn't it make you think you could be making a wrong move?

I don't like your logic on rofl, or on me. You suggesting I actually accused DT and Humble for being scum neighbours? Go back and actually read my posts.

And your reasoning for rofl was bad, and you weren't just 'told by a few players'. You agreed that's what he meant after clarification. I don't know why he is still on your scumdar for that, and it seems really sus.

[Thomith]

it still seems iffy, even if i agreed i was just reading it wrong, but it is still in my mind, also it isnt because you accused them of being "scum neighbours" because you didn't but i dont see how linking neighbours and then when questioned saying it was sarcasm helps us.

[TeChNoWC]

it still seems iffy, even if i agreed i was just reading it wrong, but it is still in my mind, also it isnt because you accused them of being "scum neighbours" because you didn't but i dont see how linking neighbours and then when questioned saying it was sarcasm helps us.

To display how bad DT's reasoning and assumptions were (I think I proved my point by the amount of attention I got from the statement). That an allusion could be drawn between DT and Poirot as easily, if not for better reasons, than me and rofl, and that doing so was assuming and bad logic that leads to mislynches - and potentially a scummy tactic.

[Thomith]

but i dont see anywhere that DT assumed anything, please give an example.

[TeChNoWC]

THIS REEKS OF DISTANCING. CALLING IT NOW, EARLY TECHNO AND ROFLCOPTER linkage to be scum buddies since reading between the lines this looks like distancing between the parties.

Have you even been reading the thread?

[Seacore]

I'm not assuming you're scum. I'm saying that I think you're scum. I've made my case and I'm happy with it.

[TeChNoWC]

Your only point on me was that I was 'bringing up things that didn't help scumhunting'.

How many other players are doing this?

Am I somehow worse than them?

How are you not now doing the same by not responding to my points, not stating your case clearly and giving free admission for lurkers to vote for whoever they want as if it wasn't scummy?

You three should not have the power base. DT scummy, Poirot biased and short sighted, you unwilling to give input.

I have little ability to turn this game around but damned if I won't try. If I get lynched for it, so be it. I just hope my flip doesn't rub off bad on town, because I have you down as one of us.

Vote: roflcopter

Most appropriate lynch today.

My argument with DT was valid, and you know it. My argument with Humble was valid, and you know it.

[snifit]

Junpei replaces Milk. Thanks!
Still seeking a replacement for URoE.

[absta101]

VOTE: Sensfan
Based on what I thought during the ISO. Out of the people i've ISOd he was most scummy.

[Thomith]

so neighbours relate to his linking how?

[TeChNoWC]

so neighbours relate to his linking how?

Because scum ARE neighbours.

[Thomith]

im a little confused by that, how so?

[TeChNoWC]

im a little confused by that, how so?

Maybe I am not understanding the term neighbours correctly, but unless there are multiple scumteams, scum share a QT during the night, and know each other's alignment (not necessary for neighbours, but still). I doubt there would be multiple scumteams in a setup like this, plus that is irrelevant anyway; DT suggested we were linked in that we knew each other's alignment, so he was saying not just that we were scum, but that we were scum neighbours (scumteam).

The wording is semantics really, he called as a scumteam after very few posts.

[Thomith]

i guess, however a scumteam is different as they want to kill the town, and neighbours are trying to help and don't know each others allignment so tells for both teams are very different, as are both teams

[TeChNoWC]

i guess, however a scumteam is different as they want to kill the town, and neighbours are trying to help and don't know each others allignment so tells for both teams are very different, as are both teams

I thought neighbours could refer to any type of neighbourhood, even a scum one, but either way my point still stands.

I'll try to be clearer next time but I felt 'neighbour' was stronger than 'scumbuddies' because my sarcasm was emphasizing the fact of the stupid link more than the claim we were both scum.

Check DT's iso around that post, he also considered rofl as scum 'merely' by association of me, after a handful of posts, and no confirmation on my alignment.

[Seacore]

Sigh

DT feels that you're scum for the reasons he's listed. He then felt that, given he felt you were scum, rofl was probably scum with you

Some scum hunters don't like to draw bows that long, others do, but there's nothing that odd about it.

[Thomith]

although, calling scumteams without a flip is still bad, but the way DT pushes his main scumread and not the secondary one without the flip doesn't make it scummy.