New York 152 Niiightless Game Over!

[Psyche]

Okay, Pine is clearly not trying. -_-

Um...I did. The study is posted in the MD forum. If you want to check the data, go ahead. >.>

And I'm doing it for OMGUS tells right now, too. I got 100 accusations of flailing, that actually only spanned 33 games or so.

I actually used the site's search function, not ctrl+f, to obtain my data. As my method indicated in my post says.

And what you said about "Town says the latter" is downright wrong, and even more stupid. Where do you get this crap?

[Psyche]

In NY 138, players were accused of flailing at least 3 times.
1. Empking by Thor665 — TOWN by TOWN
2. Johhog by Hoppster — TOWN by TOWN
3. Oversoul by Bomberman — TOWN by TOWN

In NY 143, players were accused of flailing at least 3 times.
1. Nero Cain by Pine — TOWN by TOWN
2. Mist Beauty by Mastin — TOWN by SCUM
3. Mist Beauty by Tajun — TOWN by TOWN

In NY 142, players were accused of flailing at least 3 times.
1. Revenus by Pine — TOWN by SCUM
2. Pine by Smargaret — SCUM by ???
3. Sorgster by vijay2vasandani — SCUM by ???

In NY 139, players were accused of flailing at least 2 times.
1. Sorgster by Vifam — TOWN by TOWN
2. Uncledaphne by  Stinger Bell — TOWN by SCUM

In NY 141, players were accused of flailing at least 4 times.
1. Xalxe by Sleepy Krew - TOWN by SCUM
2. Hiraki by SleepyKrew - SCUM by SCUM
3. Pine by singer signer - SCUM by TOWN
4. ConSpiracy by singer signer - SCUM by TOWN

In NY 137, players were accused of flailing at least 3 times.
1. Hiplop by GreyICE — TOWN by TOWN
2. Edmund by Pappum's Rat — TOWN by SCUM
3. chkflip by mastin — SCUM by TOWN

In NY 132, players were accused of flailing at least 5 times.
1. Khan by Mastin — SCUM by TOWN
2. Ranmaru by Scott Brosius — TOWN by SCUM
3. Ranmaru by Skyquiem — TOWN by TOWN
4. Ranmaru by inHimshallibe — TOWN by TOWN
5. Khan by Pine — SCUM by TOWN

In NY 136, players were accused of flailing at least 3 times.
1. Meransial by Hresz — TOWN by SCUM
2. David Xanatos by CrashTextDummie — TOWN by SCUM
3. Hydra by Yosarian — SCUM by TOWN

In NY 134, players were accused of flailing at least 2 times.
1. Glowball by Celeblaki — SCUM by TOWN
2. bvoigt by Reck — TOWN by SCUM

In NY 135, players were accused of flailing at least 9 times.
1. Kayneknowsbest by Ethos — TOWN by TOWN 
2. Ethos by Ythan — TOWN by TOWN
3. Ethos by Hiraki — TOWN by TOWN
4. Oversoul by MrZepher — TOWN by SCUM
5. Ethos by Untrod Tripod — TOWN by TOWN
6. Chair by mastin —TOWN by TOWN
7. Ludi by Idher — TOWN by TOWN
8. Ludi by Lady Lamb — TOWN by SCUM
9. Parabollocks by Oversoul — TOWN by TOWN

In NY 131, players were accused of flailing at least 8 times.
1. Silverbullet by Knight of Cydonia — TOWN by TOWN
2. Mastin by Pine — TOWN by SCUM
3. Toon by Amor — TOWN by SCUM
4. Silverbullet by DarthYoshi — TOWN by TOWN
5. Maxous by mastin — TOWN by TOWN
6. Zepher by Pine — TOWN by SCUM
7. Pine by Vite — SCUM by TOWN
8. Silverbullet by Pine — TOWN by SCUM

In NY 130, players were accused of flailing at least 2 times.
1. Ctorj by Pine — TOWN by SCUM
2. Thor by Calcifer — SCUM by TOWN

In NY 129, players were accused of flailing at least 8 times.
1. T-Bone by Pine — SCUM by TOWN
2. RaudhrGarm by Pine — SCUM by TOWN
3. Jindori by NS — SCUM by TOWN
4. Raud by C-Worl — SCUM by TOWN
5. T-Bone by Tclawren — SCUM by TOWN
6. TBone by MrZepher — SCUM by TOWN
7. Gorilla by Mastin — TOWN by SCUM
8. MrZepher by Slaxx — TOWN by TOWN

In NY 125, players were accused of flailing at least 0 times.

In NY 121, players were accused of flailing at least 2 times.
1. SnakePlissken by Mothrax — TOWN by TOWN
2. UK by nopointinactingup — SCUM by TOWN

In NY There Will Be Bloodshed, players were accused of flailing at least 2 times. 
1. Wraith by Pine — TOWN by SCUM
2. C-Worl by Two Headed Boy — TOWN by SCUM

In NY 126, players were accused of flailing at least 5 times.
1. Tragedy by Espeonage — TOWN by TOWN
2. Umbrage by GreyICE — TOWN by TOWN
3. Mariyta by Espeonage — TOWN by TOWN
4. Kise by GreyICE — TOWN by TOWN
5. Fate by GreyICE — SCUM by TOWN

In NY 124, players were accused of flailing at least 2 times.
1. Llamarble by Yosarian2 — TOWN by SCUM
2. Llamarble by Bub Bidderskins — TOWN by TOWN

In NY Oldy, players were accused of flailing at least 3 times.
1. Ythill by Chamber — TOWN by TOWN
2. Eeto by Ythill — TOWN by TOWN
3. Glork by CrashTextDummie — SCUM by TOWN

In NY 123, players were accused of flailing at least 2 times.
1. EPM by Parama — SCUM by SCUM
2. Parama by DemonHybrid — SCUM by TOWN

In NY 119, players were accused of flailing at least 3 times.
1. Looker by Horrordude0215 — TOWN by TOWN
2. NC by a2rudeboy — TOWN by TOWN
3. Cooldog by DemonHybrid — TOWN by TOWN

In NY 118, players were accused of flailing at least 7 times.
1. Dana by DemonHybrid — SCUM by SCUM
2. Dana by Wraith — SCUM by TOWN
3. Dana by Furcolow — SCUM by TOWN
4. Furcolow by Benmage — TOWN by SCUM
5. Robbinova by Xite — TOWN by TOWN
6. Robbinova by Wraith — TOWN by TOWN
7. Flinter by DemonHybrid — TOWN by SCUM

In NY 117, players were accused of flailing at least 1 time.
1. Nachomamma by DemonHybrid — TOWN by SCUM

In NY 116, players were accused of flailing at least 3 times.
1. TAZ by mothrax — SCUM by TOWN
2. Diginova by CCARaven4 — TOWN by TOWN
3. Wraith by aGar — TOWN by SCUM

In NY 115, players were accused of flailing 2 times.
1. BlazazRh by DemonHybrid — TOWN by TOWN
2. Blaze by silverbullet — TOWN by SCUM

In NY 114, players were accused of flailing at least 3 times.
1. LynchMePls by Vi — TOWN by TOWN
2. nhammen by LynchMePls — TOWN by TOWN
3. Midnight Sorrow by LeafSnail - TOWN by TOWN

In NY 113, players were accused of flailing at least 3 times.
1. Deer by bv310 — TOWN by SCUM
2. Jack by HackerHuck — TOWN by TOWN
3. RichardGHP by Furcolow — TOWN by ???

In NY 112, players were accused of flailing at least 1 time.
1. MPR by Fate — TOWN by TOWN

In NY 111, players were accused of flailing at least 0 times.

In NY 120, players were accused of flailing at least 1 time.
1. RichardGHP by Crypto — TOWN by SCUM

In NY 109, players were accused of flailing at least 1 time.
1. Anon by Spyrex — TOWN by SCUM

In NY 108, players were accused of flailing at least 0 times.

In NY 107, players were accused of flailing at least 0 times.

In NY 106, players were accused of flailing at least 2 times.
1. Kyle by UnofficialRulerofEveryone — SCUM by SCUM
2. Sando by UnofficialRulerofEveryone — TOWN by SCUM

In NY 105, players werr accused of flailing at least 3 times.
1. Maemuki by Pads — TOWN by TOWN
2. Crypto by charter — TOWN by SCUM
3. hiphop by RayFrost — SCUM by SCUM

Feel free, Pine, to check if this is bogus.

But you are clearly reaching a lot, pushing a lynch with bullish rhetoric. Which you tend to do as scum.

[Pine]

Scum tends to insist that they're not acting scummy, because they are chiefly concerned with

perception

and how others view them.

Town tends to give a flat denial that they're scum, because 1) They're not concerned about the possibility of a Lie Detector, though this game won't have one, 2) It's the truth, 3) Town tends to be more concerned with facts over others' perceptions of them, and 4) Town is much more likely to admit to their own faults.

I've been admittedly lurky and inattentive in this game, mostly because I just don't care very much about it. You denying that you're even acting scummy when you clearly are is a pretty reasonable scumtell, though it isn't of the strongest variety. Not really strong enough to base a case on, but it's one more point against you.

PE: Statistics are ALWAYS bogus, as are the morons who think they're worth anything. They only become relevant when you take into account an enormous sample size, which you have not. One thousand probably wouldn't be enough, and a hundred damn well isn't, especially when it ends up with a number like 4/10, which is smack dab in the middle of "not statistically relevant."

[Psyche]

Scum tends to insist that they're not acting scummy, because they are chiefly concerned with

perception

and how others view them.

Town tends to give a flat denial that they're scum, because 1) They're not concerned about the possibility of a Lie Detector, though this game won't have one, 2) It's the truth, 3) Town tends to be more concerned with facts over others' perceptions of them, and 4) Town is much more likely to admit to their own faults.

I've been admittedly lurky and inattentive in this game, mostly because I just don't care very much about it. You denying that you're even acting scummy when you clearly are is a pretty reasonable scumtell, though it isn't of the strongest variety. Not really strong enough to base a case on, but it's one more point against you.

PE: Statistics are ALWAYS bogus, as are the morons who think they're worth anything. They only become relevant when you take into account an enormous sample size, which you have not. One thousand probably wouldn't be enough, and a hundred damn well isn't, especially when it ends up with a number like 4/10, which is smack dab in the middle of "not statistically relevant."

Pine, your amazing theory of how the game works is REALLY interesting, and I'm not going to tl;dr this post.

I do not understand part one, especially its relevance to this game, but it sounds like a baseless claim you're pretending has clout.

I'm not acting scummy. I'm being misread as scummy. Deal with it.

Statistics are not always bogus. They are definitely less bogus than messy theoretical claims that aren't grounded in fact or reality, like the ones you make here.

100 cases is the vast majority of cases that have occurred in Large Normals so far. I admit that they aren't conclusive, but they are vast enough to draw inferences. And it's A LOT larger sample than most arguments are based on.

I mean, often people base their votes off of 1 or 2 meta'd games. I'm basing mine off of TEN. It's a much more rigorous vite than your poopy attempts at cognition.

[Psyche]

And making baseless claims pretended to have clout is something you do a lot in a lot of games, Pine.

[Pine]

You're not even telling the truth about your stats now. You didn't search 100 games, you searched for 100 instances of a particular phrase over the course of barely a dozen games. That's not good science, as you would pass it off, it's lazy attack-trolling. Stop trying to pass off weak statistics as a valid substitute for experience. I tried it once, and it invariably is wrong. Statistics are VERY VERY bad at proving anything small, and especially bad at proving human behavior, which is exceptionally variable. The only good statistics are for human behavior is in making general statements about LARGR populations, which we don't have on this site. It completely fails when asked to judge the actions of an individual based on a half-assed study of a minute population. Real statisticians know this, which is why they never try, except in the aforementioned large trends.

You're going to be forgiven for this, as you're what? Sixteen? Seventeen? Still in high school at any rate, and trying to apply basic principles from your introductory classes in higher mathematics.

Also because you're scum, and I always applaud valiant efforts by scum at creating something from nothing.

[Psyche]

You're not even telling the truth about your stats now. You didn't search 100 games, you searched for 100 instances of a particular phrase over the course of barely a dozen games. That's not good science, as you would pass it off, it's lazy attack-trolling. Stop trying to pass off weak statistics as a valid substitute for experience. I tried it once, and it invariably is wrong. Statistics are VERY VERY bad at proving anything small, and especially bad at proving human behavior, which is exceptionally variable. The only good statistics are for human behavior is in making general statements about LARGR populations, which we don't have on this site. It completely fails when asked to judge the actions of an individual based on a half-assed study of a minute population. Real statisticians know this, which is why they never try, except in the aforementioned large trends.

You're going to be forgiven for this, as you're what? Sixteen? Seventeen? Still in high school at any rate, and trying to apply basic principles from your introductory classes in higher mathematics.

Also because you're scum, and I always applaud valiant efforts by scum at creating something from nothing.

Okay, you're wrong again. It was over 30 games, and I NEVER said I studied 100 games. PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO THE FACTS.

This is like the fifth time you said something that was blatantly incorrect.

I'll address the eest of your post in my next post.

[Hiraki]

ok well this is nice and cuddly and sweet

but lynch psyche or CF

[UberNinja]

Self meta is fucking useless.

So is reading the aftermath of a 100+ page game (including the archive from tiger attack) and thinking you can use it as meta.

Are you srsly trying to use the argument "someone else is more useless than me, lynch him first!" with me?

I will fucking end you, boy.

[UberNinja]

Psyche, is your vote currently on Pine? If not, it should be. If it is, then shut the fuck up and just point at Pine every post and say "Lynch", mmk?

Either way, I'm sick of the peanut gallery (you two) distracting everyone else with your petty argument about which one of you is less useless.

[UberNinja]

As far as I am concerned, Pine and BK are scum together, but the BK wagon is bigger so he goes, then Pine goes. So actually, vote for BK if you're not, and then tell Pine to talk to the hand because we don't need no education because he's being lynched tomorrow anyway.

[crypto]

let's get cf

[crypto]

but first i want to see matias post

[Pine]

Okay, you're wrong again. It was over 30 games, and I NEVER said I studied 100 games. PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO THE FACTS.

This is Large Normal

152

. In what way is thirty the "vast majority of cases"? Even 152 is barely a large enough sample size for statistically-significant observations to credibly be made, and in any case, they are not correct in this instance, and therefore irrelevant.

Self meta is fucking useless.

So is reading the aftermath of a 100+ page game (including the archive from tiger attack) and thinking you can use it as meta.

Are you srsly trying to use the argument "someone else is more useless than me, lynch him first!" with me?

I will fucking end you, boy.

That's not even remotely what I said,

little girl

. At this point, you've got confirmation bias clouding your judgment, and you're not actually reading my posts. I'm saying you read the very end of a 100+ page conversation and drew a monumentally wrong conclusion from that. I supplied the correct conclusion, and you ignored it.

Further, I am not making the argument that Psyche is "more useless," I'm saying he is actively counterproductive and scummy. There is a significant difference there, as the former is a passive, defensive argument, whereas mine is an active attack on someone I find likely to be scum.

[Pine]

Again, someone please articulate the BK case.

[Psyche]

As far as I am concerned, Pine and BK are scum together, but the BK wagon is bigger so he goes, then Pine goes. So actually, vote for BK if you're not, and then tell Pine to talk to the hand because we don't need no education because he's being lynched tomorrow anyway.

Okay.

PINE. TALK TO THE HAND.

[Psyche]

Also, I, too, never made the argument that Pine should be lynched for being useless. Pine should be lynched because he's probably scum.

unvote; vote BK

I have to say, despite my read, I'm a bit uncertain as how to this'll turn out.

[Psyche]

But if anyone even acts if they are in any way swayed by Pine's points, I will have to return to my crusade.

[BK201]

In your study, most of the time it's town by town. I'm not scum and that's a terrible excuse to vote me. (your study)
Psyche has got to be scum if he ignored that. VOTE: Psyche

[Psyche]

Ugh. I should've kept the study to myself. Too many interpretive issues.

BK, what matters is not whether MOST accusations on town are by scum, but that a

disproportionate

amount of accusations on town are by scum.

And don't consider that tell in a vacuum, consider it with the rest of the arguments against you.

[UberNinja]

As far as I am concerned, Pine and BK are scum together, but the BK wagon is bigger so he goes, then Pine goes. So actually, vote for BK if you're not, and then tell Pine to talk to the hand because we don't need no education because he's being lynched tomorrow anyway.

Okay.

PINE. TALK TO THE HAND.

<33333

[UberNinja]

In your study, most of the time it's town by town. I'm not scum and that's a terrible excuse to vote me. (your study)
Psyche has got to be scum if he ignored that. VOTE: Psyche

This is a crappy vote. Give me more.

Tell me why you're town. Give me one good reason not to scream for your death with every post I make.
If you lie to me, I will make it my personal creed in life to lynch you in every game ever from now on.

This is my ultimatum.

[Psyche]

*resists reference to site rules*

[UberNinja]

*resists reference to kick Psyche in the fucking teeth*

[UberNinja]

*reference should be urge

wow, i totally boffed that one eh? haha <3