Open 402 -- Hard Boiled (Game Over!)

[Om of the Nom]

@mod, could you do a vote count?

I'll get one up once I finish reading up on my other games.

[andrew94]

HAve you brought this reasoning out before
IF So if im scum with you in the future, ill claim VT at L1 and you will pull that reasoning out again?

Also, your saying i dont give reads. really?
Dont insult me by putting me in the same category as bwb/lm

[Om of the Nom]

Votecount 1.12

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2012-06-08 14:40:00)

Venmar (3) -- andrew94, Thomith, raspberrylicious
andrew94 (3) -- Venmar, LowMan, BwBurke
BwBurke (3) -- Kassadin, nachomamma8, Arugula
Thomith (3) -- DCLXVI, TeChNoWC, BK201

Not voting -- No-one

[LlamaFluff]

HAve you brought this reasoning out before
IF So if im scum with you in the future, ill claim VT at L1 and you will pull that reasoning out again?

Ive used this tell with a lot of success since at least 2009. When players hit all of the necessary parts that qualify for its application, yes I use it and probably will continue to use it. Its a great way to throw the brakes on any lynch im unsure of post claim.

Also, your saying i dont give reads. really?
Dont insult me by putting me in the same category as bwb/lm

Most of your reads is complaining about how we dont listen to you about Arugula instead of something like a case on Arugula, we also have you not really doing anything about Thomith apart from saying I shouldnt be calling them town or something. I have no clue why you are voting Venmar too, there are a few posts but they are so choppy and using text stuff that I cant understand what points you are even trying to make. If you want to say something, use words and quotes that show some form of mental competence, its stuff like that which is why not many people remotely respect you as a player here. You post quite a bit, but really I dont have too much of an idea on where you stand on quite a few things. And yes, playing with LM is preferable to playing with you. You are more like playing with Umbrage.

Vote BwB

[andrew94]

-venmar buddies with at least 3 people (one of them you)
(he keeps saying its a coincidence)
-venmar is too diplomatic in his first post

-venmar post 305 says that im his number 2 suspect, after bbw
venmar post 315 says that his first is thomith
venmar 319 says that i am now number 1 on his list, surpassing th omith.

bbw completely disappered.
he votes me without much case on me.
and you obviously dont even read my posts

[andrew94]

edit: you use it since 2009, so some people would know it, hence they could claim VT at L1.
anyway, im just saying your logic isnt right and wouldnt work more than 50% of the time. (i pulled number out of my ass)

[TeChNoWC]

@Llama: My post 314 stands. You seem to be defending Thomith a lot over his VT claim and you seem adamant he is town for it, when you haven't said anything about whether he looks scummy by your other reads on him. Why should a VT claim make that much of a difference? And why were being suggestive earlier about trying to switch to a Burke lynch? I just get the feeling you were trying to swing the game away from a Thomith lynch EVEN when you had your vote on him and supposedly thought he was scummy. What were your thoughts on Thomith before? How confident were you that he was scum before the claim, and which lynch did you prefer before the claim?

[Venmar]

-venmar buddies with at least 3 people (one of them you)
(he keeps saying its a coincidence)
-venmar is too diplomatic in his first post

-venmar post 305 says that im his number 2 suspect, after bbw
venmar post 315 says that his first is thomith
venmar 319 says that i am now number 1 on his list, surpassing th omith.

bbw completely disappered.
he votes me without much case on me.
and you obviously dont even read my posts

Lol.

- I don't keep saying its a coincidence, i only said that once. ONCE. Your plural of my actions is exagerating my friend. Do list though which people?
- You still use my first post to back up your case on me. I still don't consider this as good evidence.
- You must be stupid, Bbw never disappeared from my suspicion list. If i put you and Thom on the top, and revolve around you guys, how does that eliminate my third suspect when i am focusing on those who are my higher priority right now? To add to this, you surpassed Thomith because of your play, not because i felt like it.
- I do have a case on you. ISO me.
- Llama does read your posts, he said so but he says your posts are in no way clear enough. Theres a difference between not reading and unable to get a read from something.

[Thomith]

I thought you were most towny bk because you didn't push kass like the others did, you just questioned me for using the kass logic again.

also andrew, that logic about the 2009 thing can be used for pretty much all town and scum tells in the book, so i dont see the logic behind this.

[LlamaFluff]

@Llama: My post 314 stands. You seem to be defending Thomith a lot over his VT claim and you seem adamant he is town for it, when you haven't said anything about whether he looks scummy by your other reads on him. Why should a VT claim make that much of a difference? And why were being suggestive earlier about trying to switch to a Burke lynch? I just get the feeling you were trying to swing the game away from a Thomith lynch EVEN when you had your vote on him and supposedly thought he was scummy. What were your thoughts on Thomith before? How confident were you that he was scum before the claim, and which lynch did you prefer before the claim?

Town tells can outweigh scum tells.

Its not impossible to make a case on just about anyone, thats how you win games as scum, being able to make cases on players who are town by looking at things that can be construed as scum tells. If a player hits strong town tells though, you dont lynch them, and thats why im trying to get this wagon off Thomith right now. He has hit enough of the town tells that I like that im not going to have the lynch of him go through if I can help it.

[LowMan]

@mod, could you do a vote count?

[Nachomamma8]

Votecount 1.12

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2012-06-08 14:40:00)

Venmar (3) -- andrew94, Thomith, raspberrylicious
andrew94 (3) -- Venmar, LowMan, BwBurke
BwBurke (3) -- Kassadin, nachomamma8, Arugula
Thomith (3) -- DCLXVI, TeChNoWC, BK201

Not voting -- No-one

with one more vote on bw.

[Nachomamma8]

bbw completely disappered.
he votes me without much case on me.
and you obviously dont even read my posts

well, your venmar wagon hasn't been going anywhere since the beginning of the game, why not add a vote onto bw?

[Nachomamma8]

bbw completely disappered.
he votes me without much case on me.
and you obviously dont even read my posts

well, your venmar wagon hasn't been going anywhere since the beginning of the game, why not add a vote onto bw?

[Nachomamma8]

also andrew, that logic about the 2009 thing can be used for pretty much all town and scum tells in the book, so i dont see the logic behind this.

I don't really understand this. Clarify.

[BwBurke]

Why are you lynching me? I'm totally a Vanilla Townie! No, seriously!

[LlamaFluff]

-venmar buddies with at least 3 people (one of them you)
(he keeps saying its a coincidence)
-venmar is too diplomatic in his first post

-venmar post 305 says that im his number 2 suspect, after bbw
venmar post 315 says that his first is thomith
venmar 319 says that i am now number 1 on his list, surpassing th omith.

Buddying - Not an alignment tell really. I will definantly buddy with players as town and scum when it benifits me.
Diplomatic - Not a tell, definantly a good leadership trait for the game.
Other thing - How is this a tell?

bbw completely disappered.
he votes me without much case on me.
and you obviously dont even read my posts

I can read them, I just dont understand them

"bbw disappeared"

Thought process - Ok... I think he means BwB, and is this him saying he is lurking and thats a scum tell? Is it a blanket lurking accusation or in response to something in specific?

"he votes me..."

Wow thats some tense butchering. So he is complaining that BwB voted him without making a case, but why is he complaining about that when BwB voted quite a few other players without actually giving cases as well? Is this his way of saying that he thinks BwB is scum?

So yes, your posts are very hard to understand when they read like they are written as text messages from some freshman high school student (which given your username... may be about the case)

@andrew - What is your read on Thomith?

also lol claim

[Jackal711]

VOTE: BwBurke

[Jackal711]

Oh, FFS...

@Mod: Please delete this post and my other one above.

[LlamaFluff]

Mod shouldnt do that because I saw what im assuming is the LM alt slip so I would have information no one else does.

[Arugula]

Even his alt doesn't give reasons. I'm tempted to vote LowMan because he sheeps even more than Bw.

[LlamaFluff]

I want to see what Nacho has to say about this really since he was talking about possible meta first.

The VT claim from BwB was unexpected though, as a few of his posts had a "no fear of hitting PR" vibe that would more likely come from a PR than VT. Its not as strong though, and im still happy enough with a lynch of BwB since the VT claim only tends to hold up for the first claim in a game and from there on out it loses potency quickly.

[LowMan]

Mod shouldnt do that because I saw what im assuming is the LM alt slip so I would have information no one else does.

And someone saw it already, FML.

@Mod: This account is now going to be retired, please replace me with my main account Jackal711.

[DCLXVI]

The VT claim from BwB was unexpected though, as a few of his posts had a "no fear of hitting PR" vibe that would more likely come from a PR than VT.

Wait a second? You are saying you pushed a wagon on someone you thought was a possible PR? What..the...fuck...??!?

[LlamaFluff]

The VT claim from BwB was unexpected though, as a few of his posts had a "no fear of hitting PR" vibe that would more likely come from a PR than VT.

Wait a second? You are saying you pushed a wagon on someone you thought was a possible PR? What..the...fuck...??!?

Just because I think a player may be a PR doesnt mean im not going to push them without some sort of very strong PR tell or anything to that extent. I actually tend to do pretty well with figuring out the "scum or PR" pool in opens, just have a difficult time distinguishing between the two since quite a few of the tells are similar due to midsets between the two roles having more overlap than scum/VT