Open 402 -- Hard Boiled (Game Over!)

[andrew94]

Respond to post 397 (stuff above the first quote)

and no i dont get lynched in most of my games. i would say less than 25%. Go check or something.

[LlamaFluff]

Respond to post 397 (stuff above the first quote)

and no i dont get lynched in most of my games. i would say less than 25%. Go check or something.

When you make a question, form it as a question and not a statement. I do not see a question, but you say its bad for me to want another claim... yet you are not voting either Thomith or BwB so im assuming you want another claim too? I cant find the question you are talking about, it all looks like statements.

Humor me if you must but make a Venmar case that is formatted as follows

Venmar is scum because in <quote goes here> he does/says/etc <action>. <action> means that he is probably scum because of <reason>.

Dont just say
-One liner
-One liner
-Thats my case

Show me EXACTLY what you are calling him scum for with quotes explaining what PART of the post is the scummy part. Once you do that say why the action is a scum tell, meaning show the scum motivation. I should not be guessing what you are calling scum tells in his post. My jokey alt which talks entirely different still is made so I get my point across effectively, you I have little to no idea what the big picture is or what you think about things more than knowing you dislike a post.

Also you think Thomith and BwB are town?

[Kassadin]

everyone would just claim town if they are at L-1

[Thomith]

everyone would just claim town if they are at L-1

grats shirlock, now who's scum and why?

[BK201]

everyone would just claim town if they are at L-1

grats shirlock, now who's scum and why?

answer this now, please. you owe it to all of us townies if you are indeed town as you have literally done nothing thus far.

[andrew94]

Llama, answer my question first. YOu have been avoiding it (again)


i wont answer any more of your questions until you do so. Since you just answer my answers to your questions instead of answering mine.

[LlamaFluff]

If you dont answer my question of "what is your question" instead of "look at my post" which reads like disjointed ramblings, im not going to answer your question

[TeChNoWC]

everyone would just claim town if they are at L-1

Exactly my point on Llama's argument.

Llama, I know you're getting consumed with this pointless argument with andrew, but please answer my question on Burke. Do you think his claim was serious? If so, what does it tell you about his alignment (given your stance on Thomith's claim)?

[andrew94]

Secondly, i have a question. and you didnt even answer the specific one i wanted you to answer


READ my post 354 AGAIN. THE WHOLE THING IS ONE POST. When you quoted me, you seperated my post and
answered it individually.
SO let me explain AGAIN.
I meant that bbw disappered from venmar's scumlist
i wasnt impressed when you said 'Thought process - Ok... I think he means BwB, and is this him saying he is lurking and thats a scum tell? Is it a blanket lurking accusation or in response to something in specific?'

AND then, you said 'Wow thats some tense butchering. So he is complaining that BwB voted him without making a case, but why is he complaining about that when BwB voted quite a few other players without actually giving cases as well? Is this his way of saying that he thinks BwB is scum?'

holy shit? i was saying Venmar voted me, not bbw voted me.


why did u misrep me

I dont know how much more clearer i can make this.

[andrew94]

oh, theres a ? after 'why did u misrep me'

[raspberrylicious]

@andrew:

What do you think about LlamaFluff?

[Venmar]

@Andrew94

- You must be grasping at straws.. BW is third on my scum list, you and Thom are on the top. What does that mean? That means you two are my priority. Just because i am going for the top two players on my list because t hey are scummier than the person i think is a lower priority makes me scummy? Seriously?

I am frustrated by Andrew now. I just propose we lynch him or me if you guys want information so bad.

[TeChNoWC]

@Andrew94

- You must be grasping at straws.. BW is third on my scum list, you and Thom are on the top. What does that mean? That means you two are my priority. Just because i am going for the top two players on my list because t hey are scummier than the person i think is a lower priority makes me scummy? Seriously?

I am frustrated by Andrew now. I just propose we lynch him or me if you guys want information so bad.

No PLs happening. There is nothing that suggests to me that andrew is scum. His reaction to Llama seems genuine, and I have a nullread on you.

Llama, please answer my question.

[LlamaFluff]

everyone would just claim town if they are at L-1

Exactly my point on Llama's argument.

Llama, I know you're getting consumed with this pointless argument with andrew, but please answer my question on Burke. Do you think his claim was serious? If so, what does it tell you about his alignment (given your stance on Thomith's claim)?

Look.

The tell is not cut and dry, its something that ive been refining for quite a few years, and has a lot of smaller dependant things that help me guage how much I should defend the player who hit it, if at all. Being the first one to claim VT is one of the strongest aspects of the tell, since once I present the tell I present players with a possible out for claiming VT.

BwBs claim feels wrong, but I dont think he is a PR fakeclaiming VT. I have seen that happen just a few times ever, so its not something that really should even be considered. I dont think its as big of a towntell for a few reasons;

1) He is not the first to claim VT
2) His play of jumping around from wagon to wagon without doing much to check votecounts lines up with PR/mafia play more than VT play
3) The claim itself feels jokey

He could be town, but I think he still is a decent lynch at this point

@andrew - If your posts read like im arguing with a drunk, im going to not understand your point and probably make you think im misinterpreting you. Use quotes and my case pattern generator, and people will actually understand what you mean. If you want more of a response than that, you can ask me a real question.

[TeChNoWC]

*Sigh*

Ok, this is a tough one. Burke doesn't look like he is coming back anytime soon to clear up his claim. I'm still pretty suspicious of your defence of Thomith Llama, but if your VT claim crap is correct, it would make more sense for the first person to claim VT to more likely be legit.

On the offchance I get NKd, I am going to push this point now.

GUYS, IF THOMITH FLIPS SCUM AT ANY STAGE, I WOULD ADVISE LYNCHING LLAMA ASAP.

Arugula might also be scum.

But for now, Burke seems the best D1 lynch.

Unvote
Vote: Burke
Burke is now on L-1

Burke, proper claim time. Clarify or die.

[BK201]

rasberry you better not hammer without asking us like u did to me in 397 day 1.

[BK201]

*holds grudge*

[raspberrylicious]

rasberry you better not hammer without asking us like u did to me in 397 day 1.

BAHAHA, I wasn't planning on it.

[DCLXVI]

Not against a BW lynch as he certainly isn't helping town at all, however I'm not too sure about how he is going to flip. I have the feeling that he is one of those players that just plays scummy all the time so it really seems to me like a 50-50 type thing here.

@Thomith, why don't you respond to the case I made against you in post 345. Don't think that you can get out of my scumdar by not responding to it.

From looking at jackal's meta it seems to me at least that there isn't a big difference between his scum and town play. His play style is a null tell at the moment.

[andrew94]

Never said Bw was number 1. Always number 3, you number 2, thomith number 1. Your recent actions made me switch you with thomith.
How about you go shove your words up your ass?

Unvote

- I am somewhat willing to believe Thomith is an actual VT. Everyone else should at least unvote as well if they believe this. I am not in favor of any hammering at the moment, we do have a claim and it in no way seems to scream scum.

Instead, i will take my vote off of him and place it on my second scummiest player ( after BwBurke ).

Vote: Andrew94

read the second quote.
you said you would place your vote on your second scummiest player. (which is me since you voted me)
AFTER BWBURKE- so bwburke is your 1st scummiest player.

now read the first quote.
'NEVER SAID BBW WAS FIRST'

so your lying. and misrepping me heavily.
@tech, your town to me, so go read the responses of venmar towards my responses. i have made it loud and clear where he lied and then misrep'ed me, then avoiding my question. hopefully this should make venmar no longer null to you

[andrew94]

Oh alright llama, you want quotes is it?
here it is
now dont say you cant understand it.
i will even

BOLD

my questions after the quotes.
IF you still cant read it, you are blind.

bbw completely disappered.
he votes me without much case on me.
and you obviously dont even read my posts

I can read them, I just dont understand them

"bbw disappeared"

Thought process - Ok... I think he means BwB, and is this him saying he is lurking and thats a scum tell? Is it a blanket lurking accusation or in response to something in specific?

"he votes me..."

Wow thats some tense butchering. So he is complaining that BwB voted him without making a case, but why is he complaining about that when BwB voted quite a few other players without actually giving cases as well? Is this his way of saying that he thinks BwB is scum?

So yes, your posts are very hard to understand when they read like they are written as text messages from some freshman high school student (which given your username... may be about the case)

@andrew - What is your read on Thomith?

also lol claim

"bbw disappeared"

Thought process - Ok... I think he means BwB, and is this him saying he is lurking and thats a scum tell? Is it a blanket lurking accusation or in response to something in specific?

Nope, im saying bbw disappeared from venmar's scumlist.
YOu can also refer to my previous post where i have quotes.

he votes me..."

Wow thats some tense butchering. So he is complaining that BwB voted him without making a case, but why is he complaining about that when BwB voted quite a few other players without actually giving cases as well? Is this his way of saying that he thinks BwB is scum?

Nope, im saying Venmar voted me at that point of time, with crappy reasoning


QUESTION

WHY DID YOU MISREP ME?

<-- QUESTION 1
I SAID BBW DISAPPERED FROM VENMAR'S SCUM LIST. I WAS TALKING
ABOUT VENMAR IN MY WHOLE POST

WHY DID U SEPERATE MY POST INTO 2, THEN MISREP ME?

<-- QUESTION 2
I WAS TALKING ABOUT VENMAR IN MY ENTIRE POST.

i saw your response to my post where i checked up your past game, but you cant read the post above with my questions?

<-- question 3

[andrew94]

Sorry for triple post, but i didnt want to confuse Llama by talking to him and someone else in the same post

@TECh
ok, tech a bit more work for you to do.


check out llama's posts, check out how long he has been avoiding
my question for. TO make your work easier, i have highlighted the post numbers


- post 396 avoids and calls me a high school girl when he has an alt with gender: female ironic...

- post 399 he answers my post directly comparing two games but he completely ignores my original question

- post 401 ignores again. Im not asking LLAma to see my venmar case, i am asking him why hes misrepping me.

- post 406 ignores again

- post 413 (at the bottom) ignores again

Now lets see how he responds.
hint: saying 'oh your posts are hard to read, thats why i misrep'ed you' isnt gonna cut it.

[LlamaFluff]

WHY DID YOU MISREP ME?

<-- QUESTION 1
I SAID BBW DISAPPERED FROM VENMAR'S SCUM LIST. I WAS TALKING
ABOUT VENMAR IN MY WHOLE POST

I already answered this. I commented on what I thought you were saying.

WHY DID U SEPERATE MY POST INTO 2, THEN MISREP ME?

<-- QUESTION 2
I WAS TALKING ABOUT VENMAR IN MY ENTIRE POST.

Because im not going to quote an entire post and put everything at the bottom when im responding to specific things. Breaking it down (like this) makes it easier to see what exactly I am responding to.

i saw your response to my post where i checked up your past game, but you cant read the post above with my questions?

<-- question 3

Its really difficult for me to understand your posts, so im going to probably miss questions when they are not really clearly questions. Loaded questions generally read like comments instead of questions too.

[andrew94]

Well now that you know what i am saying, how about you look at venmar's scumminess from denying that he ever said bbw was 1st on his scum list. (my post 419) <-- NOT A QUESTION.

[quote="In post 421, andrew94hint: saying 'oh your posts are hard to read, thats why i misrep'ed you' isnt gonna cut it.[/quote]
Because thats basically what you said.
My whole post was meant to be read together, but you seperated them out and answered them individually. That is not my fault. You stink of scum trying to do some analysis.
Go back and read your own iso (the last few posts). All of them are just mostly fluff saying that i should post it in a better form. <-- NOT A QUESTION



Oh and, Where did i post loaded questions? <--- QUESTION 1

[Venmar]

You guys are free to lynch me, i am getting frustrated with playing with Andrew to be fully honest.